Prometheus (Post-release)
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A few "nitpicks" from me:
1) The Engineer at the beginning of the film, on Earth, who gave himself to spread life throughout the planet - would have been there about 3 BILLION years ago. The headless Engineer on LV-223 died about 2 thousand years ago, according to Shaw. Looked identical to the 3 BILLION year old Engineer at the beginning of the film. What species never changes, over BILLIONS of years?!
2) The c-section scene was not anatomically possible, even within the "science" of the film. The unit cut through Shaw's skin and subcutaneous tissue, and then reached in and pulled out a placenta, the squid was delivered, the unit closed Shaw's skin with staples and she ran off. Well, I've done c-sections in my training, and you simply can't do it this way. Not even close. You have to open the midline muscle tendon, called the linea alba, then mobilize and open the uterus itself (a LARGE muscular organ at this point)" before you can get to the "baby". These layers also have to be closed carefully, one at a time. And no matter HOW much narcotic you have in your system, you can't pull on a spacesuit an hour later, run out of an alien spacecraft, run away from the same spacecraft within the hour as it crashes and rolls toward you, then climb back into the crashed spaceship and pull an android body and head out of the wreckage.
3) Speaking of which, how in the world was David's head(and body) in the same position on the map room floor, AFTER the shipped took off, then crashed? How was he still "alive" and functioning, after a freaking spaceship crash?
4) It would have made a more coherent story, and better link to the ALIEN universe, to have the planet be LV 426, from the get-go. Prometheus rams into the Engineer ship, it crashes, NO Engineer trying to find Shaw, but rather have him still strapped in to the map room/Navigation chair, when proto-alien bursts forth. Shaw rescues David, they get on another alien craft, and leave. What we got was a Mos Espa version of LV-426 - there really was no reason for it NOT to be Mos Eisley, except for the whim of Lucas.
But as the movie goes, now we have proto-xenomorph emerging from an Engineer, on a dead planet. And.... what? What does baby xenomorph do next? Everyone is dead. No food supply. He'll die, too. Never make it to LV 426, never reproduce, never give rise to Xenomorph proper. So what was the point of this scene, really?
1) The Engineer at the beginning of the film, on Earth, who gave himself to spread life throughout the planet - would have been there about 3 BILLION years ago. The headless Engineer on LV-223 died about 2 thousand years ago, according to Shaw. Looked identical to the 3 BILLION year old Engineer at the beginning of the film. What species never changes, over BILLIONS of years?!
2) The c-section scene was not anatomically possible, even within the "science" of the film. The unit cut through Shaw's skin and subcutaneous tissue, and then reached in and pulled out a placenta, the squid was delivered, the unit closed Shaw's skin with staples and she ran off. Well, I've done c-sections in my training, and you simply can't do it this way. Not even close. You have to open the midline muscle tendon, called the linea alba, then mobilize and open the uterus itself (a LARGE muscular organ at this point)" before you can get to the "baby". These layers also have to be closed carefully, one at a time. And no matter HOW much narcotic you have in your system, you can't pull on a spacesuit an hour later, run out of an alien spacecraft, run away from the same spacecraft within the hour as it crashes and rolls toward you, then climb back into the crashed spaceship and pull an android body and head out of the wreckage.
3) Speaking of which, how in the world was David's head(and body) in the same position on the map room floor, AFTER the shipped took off, then crashed? How was he still "alive" and functioning, after a freaking spaceship crash?
4) It would have made a more coherent story, and better link to the ALIEN universe, to have the planet be LV 426, from the get-go. Prometheus rams into the Engineer ship, it crashes, NO Engineer trying to find Shaw, but rather have him still strapped in to the map room/Navigation chair, when proto-alien bursts forth. Shaw rescues David, they get on another alien craft, and leave. What we got was a Mos Espa version of LV-426 - there really was no reason for it NOT to be Mos Eisley, except for the whim of Lucas.
But as the movie goes, now we have proto-xenomorph emerging from an Engineer, on a dead planet. And.... what? What does baby xenomorph do next? Everyone is dead. No food supply. He'll die, too. Never make it to LV 426, never reproduce, never give rise to Xenomorph proper. So what was the point of this scene, really?
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SmilingOtter
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I can give them a pass for that - since it's obvious that the Engineers have mastered genetics, and since the structures and statues indicate that they venerate the human form (to the point of worship, possibly) then I would think them capable of and committed to maintaining a consistent genetic code for that long. That said, I think "Babylon 5" would be more likely - that the race would outgrow their need for physical bodies, and exist only as energy.
Kit Rae
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One that engineers life themselves, or was designed that way by their creator. They have clearly harnessed how to do this. The Engineer from the beginning of the film was also very different from the ones we see on LV-233. They had developed a biomechanoid skin that is blended into their flesh, something the self sacrificing Engineer did not have.
Also, there is no frame of reference for time here. This may a been 200-300,000 years ago for all we know.
If you went 80 years into the past and showed a doctor a film of a modern day anesthesia and a c-section, he would probably say the same thing. Prometheus is 80 years into the future. Medicine advances exponentially. Note that in the scene just prior to her suiting up where she takes a hand full of pills, the camera pans down and we see the incision is already almost healed. Assume one of those numerous injections was some type of drug that promotes advance tissue regeneration and others some advanced pain killers. It's called science-fiction for a reason
, and they did go out of their way in practically every scene after this to show her in extreme pain, and constantly doubling over.As far as the timeline I think you may be a bit off. Based on the elapsed time and dates given in the film, the ship arrived in December 23rd. Shaw's squid removal was most likely on the second day, the 25th, Christmas. She packed up and left LV-223 on New Years day, 7 days later.
This is interesting, as it is the third or fourth time someone has said this. In the first scene of David post crash, he is talking to Shaw via the remote radio link. His head is nowhere near where it was prior to the crash. When Shaw returns to the Engineer ship to talk to David, you can clearly see his head is in a completely different part of the room, and the place is in shambles, tilted, lights blinking on and off, and neither his body, or Weylands body, which was right beside him prior to the crash, is anywhere to be seen. Nothing is in the same place.
I absolutely hate that scene, and felt it was tacked on. If you watched close, there was a mural in the ampule room that showed the entire life cycle of the xeno, from egg, to face hugger, to adult, with an altar below it. The xeno already existed 2000 years prior to the daffy duck xeno birth at the end of Prometheus, and was apparently worshipped.
Especially when you consider that the Engineer looks pretty beat up with his burned face... when he was covered head to toe in that space jockey suit.
The worms in the chamber where they found the head. Speaking of which, was there another exit in there or did the engineers hide in there for a while and then leave through the same door and took the time to close it when they left? No bodies.
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Ah, yes. Than it will be like the nature channel.
"Here the proto-xenomorph wonders about the temple, digging into the ground for black goo less worms."
Riveting.
And it really doesn't matter anyway if that particular proto-xeno dies... just assuming that a new one gets created on LV426 somehow...
Kit Rae
Sr Member
There was only one door in the ampule room, and no other Engineers inside.
I want to know, too. How DID David's head remain glued to the floor like that? And the bodies of Weyland and the other crew - all exactly in place after that violent crash.
Also, how did David learn to talk to aliens when he'd never met one?!
And who was he trying to send a signal to? Doesn't he know he's lightyears away from Earth?!?!
But to me the biggest problem is how did that Engineer get back in his suit, and why didn't the Nostromo crew find Weyland's body?
Geeze this was a badly-made movie.
Also, how did David learn to talk to aliens when he'd never met one?!
And who was he trying to send a signal to? Doesn't he know he's lightyears away from Earth?!?!
But to me the biggest problem is how did that Engineer get back in his suit, and why didn't the Nostromo crew find Weyland's body?
Geeze this was a badly-made movie.
1. Artificial gravity? Maybe g-forces aren't that affected inside the ship? In this era of post-technobabble Trek, everything goes haha.
2. They explained that. Apparently the engineers left enough language markers (symbols, letters, inscriptions) for him to piece together enough to understand. Hey, it ain't worse than universal translators or Hoshi in Enterprise!
3. Regular radio signals travel, like... forever. So, if theycan travel all that way in a couple years, odds are they can transmit pretty quick too.
4. Not the same planet. Not the same engineer as in Alien.
2. They explained that. Apparently the engineers left enough language markers (symbols, letters, inscriptions) for him to piece together enough to understand. Hey, it ain't worse than universal translators or Hoshi in Enterprise!
3. Regular radio signals travel, like... forever. So, if theycan travel all that way in a couple years, odds are they can transmit pretty quick too.
4. Not the same planet. Not the same engineer as in Alien.
2. Thought he stated that he had learned many of the Ancient Languages on Earth, and with that he thought he would be able to communicate with the Engineers.
Yeah, and therein those languages he found enough bits and pieces to decifer the Engineer's language... that's what I got from it at least. Maybe the line he gives the engineer is a mishmash of a lot of old languages... I dunno. (I take very little responsibility today if I write a bunch of gibberish... I've been running a slight fever off and on for days... :lol )
Kit Rae
Sr Member
:lolLMAO. Apparently no one got the sarcasm. It is getting kind of pointless to point out the same things people missed over and over.
Kit Rae
Sr Member
Almost all of Mike's comments were negative. Jay seemed to be talking him into liking the film, and Mike only barely recommended seeing the film. Both of them missed a lot of details, just like 75% of the average viewers did. They had the same reaction to the tacked on ending I did.
Not as funny as their other youtube, but here is the review.Half in the Bag Episode 33: Prometheus | RedLetterMedia on Blip
Not as funny as their other youtube, but here is the review.Half in the Bag Episode 33: Prometheus | RedLetterMedia on Blip
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