Prometheus (Post-release)

God, are we still at this?!

It's a dumb movie. I can't fault Doug's critique at all, but I wouldn't call anyone dumb for liking it, though. For me it ticked a lot more boxes than it should have given the holes. I'll pick it up on BR and enjoy it from time to time.

Roll on Blade Runner 2. Which will be significantly MORE infuriating and disappointing, and I suspect I'll like it just the same. Wow, developing a new appreciation for post-good cinema, here. :lol
 
ProfKSergeev said:
I'll just say that I'm continually amazed by the stunted imaginations on display in this thread and elsewhere. The gulf between what Ridley Scott and his colleagues can do on a bad day and what all the naysayers here are collectively capable of is immeasurable. And to think that people still bother to make art just so amoebas who will never accomplish anything of value can spend their lives picking it apart on message boards ...
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:popcorn I didn't pick this apart glad I'm not an amoeba...
 
Dave Ward said:
I love Prometheus but I still can't buy that there's an engineer in that suit from Alien.
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That was the biggest twist in Prometheus. I always thought that the Space Jockey was related to the Aliens. Everything about his look and the design of the ship were like the Aliens. That's why I think the Prometheus sequel has a lot to explain with the Engineer/Space Jockey twist and this new origin (or new) Alien creature.
 
Wakeem said:
That was the biggest twist in Prometheus. I always thought that the Space Jockey was related to the Aliens. Everything about his look and the design of the ship were like the Aliens. That's why I think the Prometheus sequel has a lot to explain with the Engineer/Space Jockey twist and this new origin (or new) Alien creature.
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Well, as we've learned from prior ALIEN movies, the alien takes on traits of it's host species. So if anything, the alien looks like the engineers.



I saw this for the second time, last night, and I'm still confused about the black goo.

They find all this black slime, no idea what it is, yet they take no precautions around it.

The vile that David finds, the green one with the black goop in it - is that the same black goop that's all over the vases and floor, or is it something else? Is it the same goop that turned one guy into a zombie, put a worm in another guy, and disolved the engineer in the beginning? If so, that is one magic goop.


And why is Weyland so intent on killing his entire crew? If the engineer could save him, maybe he'd need the crew to get him back home. Instead, he has David running biological experiments on them, with no idea what the black goo, even does. I'm assuming it's Weyland telling David "hey, if you find something sticky, make somebody drink it.". Suppose it wasn't some bio-weapon, just some kind of rocket fuel, or alien ketchup.

And speaking of David, why does he insist on pressing every button he finds?

It was a pretty movie to look at it, but a lot of things don't make sense.

-Fred
 
Gigatron said:
Well, as we've learned from prior ALIEN movies, the alien takes on traits of it's host species. So if anything, the alien looks like the engineers.
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I think you both are confusing the Engineers with their suits. The Engineers look like us, their suits look like a Giger designed alien. But an alien birthed from an Engineer using the accepted canon of alien resembling host will look like us. But in ALIEN, we had a human, Kane, give birth to an alien with the classic bio-mechanicl design, so that's what an alien birthed from and Engineer would theoretically look like as well. Perhaps it's simply coincidental that the creatures resemble their suits, or perhaps not.
 
Prometheus is an entirely different genre than Alien. It is more philosophical than action or horror. People who wanted more of an Alien type movie were disappointed. I loved Prometheus, but not everyone likes that kind of movie.
 
rodneyfaile said:
Prometheus is an entirely different genre than Alien. It is more philosophical than action or horror. People who wanted more of an Alien type movie were disappointed. I loved Prometheus, but not everyone likes that kind of movie.
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I think this is the problem, its an alien movie, not citizen kane, i don't buy the 'in the same universe' line, what the hell is that? this isn't high art, its a b movie horror film, and one that i really wanted to love but just didn't, but if you did, more power to you, i'm not going to fall out with you.
Visually it was great, the engineers, loved the design, what i thought was crappy was the snake and baby/giant squid, that was just awful
 
Of all the toys they could have made from this movie, the SRS version of "Death by Shnoo Shnoo" is the last I would have brought up at the meeting.
 
Bryancd said:
I think you both are confusing the Engineers with their suits. The Engineers look like us, their suits look like a Giger designed alien. But an alien birthed from an Engineer using the accepted canon of alien resembling host will look like us. But in ALIEN, we had a human, Kane, give birth to an alien with the classic bio-mechanicl design, so that's what an alien birthed from and Engineer would theoretically look like as well. Perhaps it's simply coincidental that the creatures resemble their suits, or perhaps not.
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Well, if the engineer's suits are biomechanical, the aliens could be picking up on that, as well.

The thing is, the proto-alien didn't look like a giant vagina, engineer, or a combination of either. I guess in the same way that the alien warrior looks nothing like a facehugger, which looks nothing like the queen.

If Proto-alien is a future queen, and somehow makes it back to wherever the engineers are from (stows away on the ship with David and Elizabeth), if she pops out a new facehugger, and that mates with a engineer, while he's wearing a biomechanical suit, that could give us the aliens we've come to know and love.

-Fred
 
Why can't it be? Are there no other aspects of the ALIEN universe to explore beside the Alien itself? Do fans really just want to be spoonfed the same story again and again. We have had 6 "Aliens run amok" movies now. If this was #7, how boring and predictable would that be?

The longer I have thought about what Ridley did here, the more I appreciate it. I love that he has essentially said "the alien thing has played out. let's focus on something else." Yet, he still gave a nod to the fact that the aliens do inhabit this universe and are a part of this story but they aren't the main point.

Not being catty, but sincerely asking; what do you think would have made a good film and a good story for this "prequel?" Where should the focus have been? What should we have seen? I'd be interested to hear other views, because every idea I can think of just leads us down the same predictable ruts we have been in before.


frosty said:
I think this is the problem, its an alien movie, not citizen kane, i don't buy the 'in the same universe' line, what the hell is that? this isn't high art, its a b movie horror film, and one that i really wanted to love but just didn't, but if you did, more power to you, i'm not going to fall out with you.
Visually it was great, the engineers, loved the design, what i thought was crappy was the snake and baby/giant squid, that was just awful
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Honestly, i don't know, i like the films for what they are, it does have its good points don't get me wrong, i was there first day front row centre eager to see another chapter done by the master himself, but it just fell flat, its the phantom menace of the series, i felt the same way coming out of the theatre after seeing that, honestly i've watched it again on blu ray, and still feel the same way, i don't hate it, but i don't love it, which i wanted to
 
The Engineers suits, in my opinion, are an extention of a certain kind of biomechanical technology used for military and war. Prometheus clearly defined the cargo of the ships as weapons, so, the xenomoprhs we know and love are a bioweapon designed by the engineers. It's all military and weapons tech to them.

It would be interesting to me to see the Engineers use the xeno's as weapons and see if they also have a use for adult xeno's after they have been "deployed" and used on a world, or an enemy. I know that will never be a film, but you never know, might be a comic or something from Dark Horse.
 
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