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Picard S2
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So, I guess the Borgs’ plan, going forward, will be to ask people to willingly join their collective?
Imagine hearing the knock at your door and opening it up to this…
Imagine hearing the knock at your door and opening it up to this…
kalkamel
Master Member
A good recap of the latest flusterduck of an episode.
www.nytimes.com
‘Star Trek: Picard’ Recap: A Chateau of Convenience
In the penultimate episode of this season, anything the crew needs from the plot to move forward, it gets.
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It's still super hard for me to reconcile that this was the second to last episode. It felt way more like a mid season cliff hanger than a prelude to the finale. It feels like every story thread, save for the borg queens redemption (???), is still only half way fleshed out. I GUESS the final episode is going to focus on the young Picard? Ok so what about every other dangling thread out there?
Honestly, doesn't matter. I don't care.
THAT SAID, and I know this is the wrong thread for this, but hod tamn does this opening sequence give me hope. (Oh and don't worry I know the show is gonna suck, but I want to be optimistic)
Honestly, doesn't matter. I don't care.
THAT SAID, and I know this is the wrong thread for this, but hod tamn does this opening sequence give me hope. (Oh and don't worry I know the show is gonna suck, but I want to be optimistic)
To be fare....
How many of those Threads bar the Borg do we care about...
I don't care if they All die.
Picard is a Chipset anyways so zero danger for him
Yeah good point. Like I'm not even sure if the whole brent Spiner and his daughter thread is closed? or is there more to resolve? The 7/Raffi love story seems to just have died on the vine. They wrapped up picards mom story and I guess he's all resolved? I guess Rios decided to leave the single mom behind? Does that mean that's tied off? Still no idea what's going on with Q. Still no idea how this is all going to come back to the Stargazer other than we will obviously see that Jurati is the borg queen from the start of the season, or some variant of her. Or maybe it's the Picard girl?Are we done with Guinan?
I guess my point here is that I can't tell one way or another if a story thread has been closed up or not. There doesn't seem to be any difference between a plot line that was intentionally resolved, and one that has not yet been tackled.
I guess my point here is that I can't tell one way or another if a story thread has been closed up or not. There doesn't seem to be any difference between a plot line that was intentionally resolved, and one that has not yet been tackled.
That's for The Next Gen reboot er.. Picard S3 to resolve no doubt lol
It basically has nothing to do with previous Star Trek, so go for it.
DS9 and Voyager will definitely get their upgrade.
Discovery and this show = JJ Trek: Discard
This did absolutely nothing for me. The voice over sounded really disinterested and very bland given the content of what was meant to be delivered and the sentiment that should have been conveyed.
The visuals looked like what has been done with Orville's opening credits, which I appreciate they themselves are an homage to TNG but there didn't seem to be anything over than the usual gloss over everything with flashy CGI that is the hallmark of Trek since 2009.
And after so much badly made Star Trek under Kurtzman and Co. I'm just resigned to the fact that Star Trek is dead to me and this trailer was just another attempt at nostalgia baiting classic Trek fans.
Wake me up when DS9 and Voyager get full HD remasters then I'll be excited about Star Trek again...I realise I may be asleep a long time!
If others are excited by this, and I hope they aren't disappointed by what will be delivered next week, then great. For me it's a hard pass.
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NakedMoleRat
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Just this one?
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
I liked Picard better when he was a character played by Patrick Stewart than this new one that IS Patrick Stewart.
Bloop
Sr Member
Just finished ep 9, caught up with the comments here. So...a lot of problems, as people have already said, but I guess that just to be expected by now. I'll echo a few of them and add some of my own issues with it.
The mercenaries are Borg, but really don't possess any of the abilities of real Borg, so I don't know why they had to be assimilated. Certainly not for control, as the job of a merc is to provide military support in exchange for money. They were already signed on to do that, so why assimilate them? Plus, they don't seem to be very good mercs, even after being assimilated and having overwhelming numbers and firepower, they can't take down an old man (er, mandroid) and a few of his friends that only managed to bring two weapons for all of them. And then the mercs get murdered (more 21st century deaths that don't matter I guess) by getting stabbed and sliced by two people without ranged weapons that just bum-rush them while being shot at with automatic weapons. Then the merc-borg get beamed into walls (side note - I don't think that's how transporters have been shown to work, but since it's an alternate future transporter, I guess I'll let it pass). I guess I can accept the useless soldier trope, since it's happened in lots of other Trek, so I can't be too mad that they used it again. Still...
Theme of the episode: "Hey, let's all explore our feelings RIGHT NOW because the mission to save the future isn't nearly as important!
Picard keeps Rios out of the action due to a superficial wound. Okay, being shot in the arm can be deadly, something tv and movies ignore and perpetuate the myth that they're nothing to worry about, but Picard was a military captain who regularly sent subordinates - even ones he called friends - into dangerous situations for the greater good. He apparently thinks Rios's life is more important than restoring the proper timeline. I guess he really has gotten soft in his old age.
The mercenaries are Borg, but really don't possess any of the abilities of real Borg, so I don't know why they had to be assimilated. Certainly not for control, as the job of a merc is to provide military support in exchange for money. They were already signed on to do that, so why assimilate them? Plus, they don't seem to be very good mercs, even after being assimilated and having overwhelming numbers and firepower, they can't take down an old man (er, mandroid) and a few of his friends that only managed to bring two weapons for all of them. And then the mercs get murdered (more 21st century deaths that don't matter I guess) by getting stabbed and sliced by two people without ranged weapons that just bum-rush them while being shot at with automatic weapons. Then the merc-borg get beamed into walls (side note - I don't think that's how transporters have been shown to work, but since it's an alternate future transporter, I guess I'll let it pass). I guess I can accept the useless soldier trope, since it's happened in lots of other Trek, so I can't be too mad that they used it again. Still...
Theme of the episode: "Hey, let's all explore our feelings RIGHT NOW because the mission to save the future isn't nearly as important!
Picard keeps Rios out of the action due to a superficial wound. Okay, being shot in the arm can be deadly, something tv and movies ignore and perpetuate the myth that they're nothing to worry about, but Picard was a military captain who regularly sent subordinates - even ones he called friends - into dangerous situations for the greater good. He apparently thinks Rios's life is more important than restoring the proper timeline. I guess he really has gotten soft in his old age.
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Bloop
Sr Member
And another thing: so the answer to mental illness is to lock someone away so they can't harm themselves, rather than treat their condition? Even if his mother refused treatment, the fact that his father was so concerned over her hurting herself but decided the solution was to lock her up by herself (unsupervised) instead of seeking adequate medical care is ludicrous (is there no mental health treatment in the 24th century???). Picard lamenting that if he hadn't opened the door, she might have become an old woman (retcon remark). If Picard hadn't opened the door that night, she would've found some other way to kill herself, some other time.
And all the trauma Picard endured that we saw on TNG and in Generations - losing his brother and nephew, being assimilated by the Borg, being captured and tortured by Cardassians, etc, none of that was enough to jar the memory of his mother committing suicide from his mind? The illusion of seeing his elderly mother in the first season of TNG didn't do it either?
And all the trauma Picard endured that we saw on TNG and in Generations - losing his brother and nephew, being assimilated by the Borg, being captured and tortured by Cardassians, etc, none of that was enough to jar the memory of his mother committing suicide from his mind? The illusion of seeing his elderly mother in the first season of TNG didn't do it either?
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Bloop
Sr Member
Oh and this:
"In order to succeed, there must be two Renes, one who lives and another dies."
If this isn't referring to Jean-Luc's dead nephew (also named Rene), I'll be disappointed (once again), but not surprised, as they haven't mentioned him up to this point (along with his dead brother).
Like with the retconning of Jean-Lucs mother, It's like someone involved in the writing of this show just decided to watch Star Trek for the first time after they wrote the bulk of the season, and suddenly found out that what they wrote contradicts existing lore, so they shoehorn in a shotty explanation at the last minute.
"In order to succeed, there must be two Renes, one who lives and another dies."
If this isn't referring to Jean-Luc's dead nephew (also named Rene), I'll be disappointed (once again), but not surprised, as they haven't mentioned him up to this point (along with his dead brother).
Like with the retconning of Jean-Lucs mother, It's like someone involved in the writing of this show just decided to watch Star Trek for the first time after they wrote the bulk of the season, and suddenly found out that what they wrote contradicts existing lore, so they shoehorn in a shotty explanation at the last minute.
Sybok gave the episode two thumbs up for the “…sharing of the pain and for Synth Picard gaining strength from the sharing…”
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NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
So, I just re-watched episode one basically because I wanted to see Rios as captain aboard the stargazer. And one of the many, incessant flashbacks to childhood, his mom did tell him that his brother was away at school. That had slipped past me the first time.
kalkamel
Master Member
Another thing about the mercs. At the end of the previous episode, we see Jurati go to one Merc and inject her Borg nanoprobes into him and we see his veins turn green and his eyes go black. So did the other mercs just stand in line after that and wait for their turn? In a realistic situation, seeing one of their comrades suddenly have that adverse reaction would have made them open fire on Jurati, and the ensuing bloodbath would have resulted in her (had she survived and managed to assimilate a few more) having only a handful.of Borg-mercs for the assault.
Oh no, there I go overthinking it again...
Bloop
Sr Member
Yeah, I missed that too. Even if they hadn't said it, I can maybe understand his brother being away at school as a plausible reason why he wasn't around. But it still ignores Jean-Luc's strained relationship with Robert growing up, and that he bullied Jean-Luc, and Jean-Luc being great at everything and winning awards and competitions, making Robert jealous, as mentioned in the TNG episode "Family." I guess all the bullying could've happened at other times, maybe even the reason Robert was sent away to school, since Jean-Luc is apparently the favorite child of their mother.
But if any of this is the case, the writers could've presented it on screen, rather than having us try to piece it together on our own. I don't need my hand held as a viewer, but if they're going to present a brand new storyline about Picard's youth, they could at least touch on his other childhood familial relationships. I think it could've been more interesting to include Robert in the story of Picard's youth, especially since the whole point seemed to be to explore the trauma of his childhood. And it still ignores how Robert and (nephew) Rene's deaths affected Picard and why that hasn't been brought up at all either.
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