Picard S2

Seriously, who is watching and enjoying this show? I ask this by offering as evidence the Season 2 Trailer on the “official” Paramount + channel on YouTube…
  • 1.5 million views…
  • Only 251 “Likes” (“Dislikes” don’t exist, of course)
  • Only 68 comments…over 90% of which are negative (most characterized as saying “No, thanks”)

Contrast that with a random trailer I grabbed for The Handmaids Tale on the Hulu Youtube channel…
  • 1.1 million views…
  • 13k “Likes”…
  • 1.1k comments

As a matter of fact, Red Letter Media’s latest video, basically ripping the show, is generating more “buzz” than the actual show…
  • 791k views…
  • 30k “Likes”…
  • 6.7k comments

It almost seems that the only interest this show is generating is negative interest…people basically following how badly the show sucks vs. truly enjoying the show for its content.
 
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Hey, someone call me out on my BS if this is BS, but what were Vulcans doing on earth? I thought the first time Vulcans even found out about earth was during... you know... First Contact? Set aside that Spock was on earth during Assignment:Earth, but was there any history of Vulcans being on earth prior to First Contact?

You know, now that I think about it, it would have made for an interesting twist if the FBI dude had actually encountered Spock DURING Assignment Earth. They would have needed an older actor, but that woulda been a cool twist. Or an intersect with Star Trek IV. I guess that would have made for better timing.
 
MattMunson said:
Hey, someone call me out on my BS if this is BS, but what were Vulcans doing on earth? I thought the first time Vulcans even found out about earth was during... you know... First Contact? Set aside that Spock was on earth during Assignment:Earth, but was there any history of Vulcans being on earth prior to First Contact?

You know, now that I think about it, it would have made for an interesting twist if the FBI dude had actually encountered Spock DURING Assignment Earth. They would have needed an older actor, but that woulda been a cool twist.
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Yeah, other than time travel shenanigans placing Vulcans on Earth, Vulcans accidentally crash landed on Earth in the 1950’s, according to Enterprise (“Carbon Creek”) …

Carbon Creek (Star Trek: Enterprise) - Wikipedia
 
MattMunson said:
Hey, someone call me out on my BS if this is BS, but what were Vulcans doing on earth? I thought the first time Vulcans even found out about earth was during... you know... First Contact? Set aside that Spock was on earth during Assignment:Earth, but was there any history of Vulcans being on earth prior to First Contact?

You know, now that I think about it, it would have made for an interesting twist if the FBI dude had actually encountered Spock DURING Assignment Earth. They would have needed an older actor, but that woulda been a cool twist. Or an intersect with Star Trek IV. I guess that would have made for better timing.
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ST: ENT did an episode called 'Carbon Creek' (S2e2) which had T'Pol and 2 other Vulcan scientists accidentally time travel to a small town.
 
renaissance_man said:
So the Borg Queen was on the La Serena with full access to all the ship's technology that she could have EASILY assimilated and used it's advanced technology to establish a Borg presence on 21st century Earth , if that is her motive.
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No, the queen had been stripped of her ability to assimilate by the Confederation, no nanoprobes. She can interface with the ship and do "standard" hacking and reprogramming. This is not made very clear in the episode.

renaissance_man said:
But, instead she somehow magically just touched Jurati on the cheek which transferred the Queen's entire Borg knowledge and also what equates to the Queen's personality into Jurati's brain without the use of a single nanoprobe and also another very key point, WITHOUT assimilating her.
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After Jurati shot her, and there were no other options she transferred her consciousness.
Vulcans can do that without nanoprobes as well. And no nanoprobes means no assimilation. She did inject something. Probably the Borg equivalent of royal jelly. Something causes the lightshow and the black eyes.

renaissance_man said:
Not to mention all of this mucking about with summoning the French cop for no reason just to have someone be surprised and then kill, essentially a red shirt, she didn't assimilate him, or if she did, he was just left on the La Serena as a drone without then doing anything at all he just presumable sat around without an alcove to regenerate or, I don't know go off and assimilate more drones for a new collective like all Borg would normally do
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He was a hostage to force Jurati to cooperate. That didn't work, and Jurati shot her, hence the last ditch mind transfer. And once again no nanoprobes means no french cop drone

renaissance_man said:
Then Jurati just wanders around an LA carpark, (again because it is cheap to film there and you don't have to build any sets) eating batteries because she "needs the metal".
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Now that she has absorbed the needed raw materials she can start making primitive nanoprobes.

renaissance_man said:
Then Jurati, who apparently does have nanoprobes, assimilates a patiently waiting group of mercenaries summoned by a very very recently, publicly disgraced geneticist. The first guy gets what appears to be a painful assimilation and the rest of the mercenaries just stand and watch, happy to undergo this same process
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Yes ,now that she has the appropriate raw material she can inject them with new primitive nanoprobes. And the assimilation didn't strike me as particularly bad, he'd didn't scream or collapse or anything like that. Captain America certainly went through worse during his procedure.

renaissance_man said:
Lastly, if Q has no powers where is he getting all these complex serums made to bait Brent Spiner, sorry, Adam Soong with? Is there a Serums4U in LA that we haven't been told about?
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Without powers Q has an IQ of 2005. He told us that in TNG when he was kicked out of the continuum. He can outsmart everyone on the planet to get access to anything he wants. And he's smart enough to then make the serum the old fashioned way.


Caveneau said:
ST: ENT did an episode called 'Carbon Creek' (S2e2) which had T'Pol and 2 other Vulcan scientists accidentally time travel to a small town.
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Not time travel, that was T'Pol's grandmother
 
Lightning said:
No, the queen had been stripped of her ability to assimilate by the Confederation, no nanoprobes. She can interface with the ship and do "standard" hacking and reprogramming. This is not made very clear in the episode.
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If all she needed to do was eat batteries why didn't she just eat some of the bits of the La Serena's plasma coils or anodyne relays? That ship is much more advanced than 20th/21st century car batteries.
 
renaissance_man said:
If all she needed to do was eat batteries why didn't she just eat some of the bits of the La Serena's plasma coils or anodyne relays? That ship is much more advanced than 20th/21st century car batteries.
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Because the queen wasn't in full control of Jurati until after the song performance. She was able to get Jurati to lock down the computers, but that's a far cry from getting her to eat metal.
 
Lightning said:
Because the queen wasn't in full control of Jurati until after the song performance. She was able to get Jurati to lock down the computers, but that's a far cry from getting her to eat metal.
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What I meant was, why didn't the Queen herself do all the battery eating whilst she was on the ship if that's all she needed?
The fact that the writers think the Borg need to eat metal to make nanoprobes is part of the problem with their contrived writing process. They wanted to keep Alison Pill on the cast since she's signed a contract to be on the series.
In reality the Queen would have just assimilated the ship. The Queen apparently had her injection tubules, since she used them on the French cop, she could just have easily used those same tubules to punch a hole in the console on the ship and begin extracting power and raw materials.
 
renaissance_man said:
From the reactions to the recent episodes it's very clear why the fan bait, full "TNG" cast tease for season 3 was released recently. I put TNG in quotations because it is obvious after years of Kurtzman's palid attempts to make Star Trek that the last 10 episodes of this already cancelled series won't be anything near the quality of TNG.
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I'm wondering if another reason for the early announcement is to include the cast as a tease at the end of season 2. I doubt it will go this way, but what if the "correct" timeline is restored, but is utterly mucked up due to all the carelessness of the Picardigans (idk what to call them) or Q does his shenanigans, and they return to the 25th century where Picard is still captain of the Enterprise, with all the original crew intact?

Like I said, I doubt it will happen that way. I think Trek fans who still have hope for this series will be disappointed with how the actors are implemented in the next season. Spiner won't be playing Data (unless they go back on everything they said), the original crew won't be traveling the galaxy together, having different missions on the Enterprise. It won't be the continuing adventures of TNG, otherwise they would call it TNG, not Picard. It'll be a season long story arc that spins it's wheels for most of the time, throwing in the nostalgia of seeing the original actors in their roles, yet throwing out any character development that happened in the past, with a bunch of silly "Easter eggs" to placate the fans who don't understand or care how bad the writing is.
But who knows. I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this point.
 
MattMunson said:
Bloop, that all sounds lovely, but honestly if your'e expecting anything from the writers other than a continuation of this parade of garbage, I feel like you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
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Believe me, I have no expectations for season 3, or even for the conclusion of season 2 ending in a satisfactory way.
 
The next generation already got a proper sendoff. It was called all good things! The final scene with the Picard playing poker with the crew, was the bow that needed to be tied on the gift that was the next generation.

Which is why I’m fairly certain that they will re-create that scene on the final episode of season three.
 
NakedMoleRat said:
The next generation already got a proper sendoff. It was called all good things! The final scene with the Picard playing poker with the crew, was the bow that needed to be tied on the gift that was the next generation.

Which is why I’m fairly certain that they will re-create that scene on the final episode of season three.
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Imitation is the sincerest form of copying.
 
And, with credit to Major Grin:

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