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[kalkamel]

‘Star Trek: Picard’s Patrick Stewart On How He Finally Allowed More Of Himself To Inform His Portrayal Of His Iconic Starfleet Hero — Contenders TV

Star Trek: Picard's Patrick Stewart revealed how he finally has allowed more of himself to inform his portrayal of his iconic character.

deadline.com

"The veteran actor said that, after decades of resistance, he now accepts that “Jean-Luc Picard is Patrick Stewart, and I am him. There is no separation anymore. I used my life continually when we were shooting Season Two and Three of Picard, and I’m no longer afraid of doing that, which at one time in my career I would have been. But not anymore. I feel I have something to say, and I can only say it through the performances that I give.”"

In other words, he's not even acting as Picard any more, he's just being Patrick Stewart. That's why he's so vastly different from the authoritative figure we knew from TNG.

 

[renaissance_man]

It's almost like actors now dont want to play a character they want to be paid to just be themselves and if that is a change to an established character especially and you question that well then you're just being a toxic gatekeeper.
Never again will Star Trek be as great as it was.

 

[Apollo]

Pat is DEEPLY inhaling all the smoke currently being blown up his arse!

Stick a fork in him, hes done

 

[Mottrex]

The more I think about it, the more irritated I am that Q is still able to function as an agent provocateur with ZERO resources. He literally only has the clothes on his back, yet somehow he has not only changed outfits, but has created a 10 minute lasting cure for datas fake daughter, has infiltrated the ranks of psychotherapy and is now sitting across the couch from a nasa astronaut about to leave the planet, and is positioning himself to set events in motion to further destroy the timeline that he sent picard back through time to prevent from ever happening??????

I could maybe wrap my head around the therapist part. He's a smooth talker, and a fast one too. But like, wouldn't nasa have, oh i don't know, checked his credentials? Did nasa not have a staff psychiatrist that was already working with picard, or I dunno, a file folder filled with other vetted and qualified doctors to take the original doctors place if necessary?

Where did Q get that cure dose from? You're telling me Fake Data has been working on that cure for literally decades, but Q manages to find or develop it on his own, WITH NO RESOURCES, in the span of a couple days?? I guess if he's omnipitant still, he would have the knowledge of what the mollecule would look like, but how did he synthesize it? how did he fund the production of it? How did he find a lab to produce it in under a day? and with what money?

And really, why is he doing ANY of this? If the whole point of the season is for Q to once again give picard a challenge, and perhaps the highest stakes one of their entire relationship, why is he actively involved in thwarting him? Why not just let it play out? Why rube goldburg a ton of events into action? Typically in these scenarios, Q just shows up every now and again to poke fun at picard and maybe screw with him TO HIS FACE, but this just seems excessive.

Oh wait, that's right: bad writing is the answer.

Oh that pretty much sums Q and all his stories through over the years.. he's like a small child playing with his Tin soldier... He can do whatever he wants..
At this stage they will prolly make out its all a dream and he's back on the Enterprise S1 E1


It was all Another dream!

 

[Bloop]

I get that actors bring some of themselves into roles, but if you start thinking there's no difference between you and a character you play, it seems like you might not understand the role. It's almost like Pat's doing the opposite of method acting - instead of trying to live like the character, he's forcing the character to be like him.

It really comes down to the writers. The people that wrote the best Picard stories should've been the ones to create new Picard stories. Putting Kirsten Beyer in the driver's seat after her work on Discovery was clearly a mistake. I was unaware of her background, but after doing some searching, it seems these two NuTrek shows are the only tv writing she's done, having been plucked from the literary world of Star Trek extended universe novels (hers being based on Voyager). Too bad Ronald D. Moore soured on his Star Trek experience - he wrote or served as executive story editor on some of TNG's best Picard episodes.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Pat is DEEPLY inhaling all the smoke currently being blown up his arse!

Stick a fork in him, hes done

Well, I guess a certain quote from a certain Admiral Potty Mouth may rightly apply in the case of his “new fearless approach” to the character of Picard…

Something about hubris (you know the quote)…

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Actors are characters and visa versa. We’ll, Will Smith pretty much only plays Will Smith in his movies.

 

[Bloop]

Here's an interview with ST: Picard co-creator/writer Kirsten Beyer. It offers some insight into why the show is what it is:

“What Would Picard Do?” Kirsten Beyer On Co-Creating ‘Star Trek: Picard’

Here's some...illuminating quotes from the article:

Described as the “oracle” of the Star Trek universe by colleague Akiva Goldsman, Beyer is the go-to encyclopedia for Star Trek content. As a staff writer, her credits include 15 episodes of Star Trek: Discovery, 1 episode of Star Trek: Short Treks, and now co-creation of the new series Star Trek: Picard.

Writing this well-known and beloved character was relatively simple, as Patrick Stewart was there to help fill in some of the gaps, even attending many TV writers’ room meetings

We learned from Goldsman that it wasn’t a requirement to have complete Star Trek knowledge, as the show was meant to be written both for fans and novice viewers.

As such, Beyer was there to be the encyclopedia behind the show, to make sure all storylines were correct for die-hard fans.

 

[kalkamel]

 

[robn1]

As such, Beyer was there to be the encyclopedia behind the show, to make sure all storylines were correct for die-hard fans.

 

[Gregatron]

Maybe instead of getting onto social media and antagonizing their audience for having legitimate criticisms, the writing staff should spend more time watching real STAR TREK. And without constantly being on their phones while watching it. The phones need go away when they watch STAR TREK, so they actually have to pay attention.

Y'know, maybe previous creative teams were just as jerky and just as rude as the new generation, but at least they mostly kept it behind closed doors, since they actually wanted to have successful products which made money.

Now we're stuck with arrogant trolls like Rian Johnson and Alex Kurtzman.

 

[Ron]

What an entitled little prick. How about you just take the criticism like a man and not a thin-skinned brat? Or if you can't do that, then write something that isn't so easily picked apart. I can't stand people like this.

I looked this guy up thinking he was a millennial. Turns out he's older than me. How embarrassing for a 40 something to act this way.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Having published 13 books now, and two of those I served as editor (they were anthologies), I can say professionally, he’s a twit!

 

[kalkamel]

 

[Gregatron]

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Well, at least they’re paying attention to the words we use, even if they don’t understand their meaning.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Let’s just keep pissing off the fans and tell them how stupid they are…

 

[renaissance_man]

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Just like the writing in Picard even the showrunner's response to legitimate questions about the plot is lazy.
It is easier to label someone a troll than write quality scripts, you're absolved of any responsibility, collect your pay cheque, job done.

 

[kalkamel]

Let’s just keep pissing off the fans and tell them how stupid they are…

They learnt from the good folks at Disney Star Wars.

 

[Bloop]

Found the original rough cut of Soong's brilliant idea to "stop" Picard:

Spoiler

(THEY RIPPED OFF HAPPY GILMORE!!!)

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Found the original rough cut of Soong's brilliant idea to "stop" Picard:

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Spoiler

(THEY RIPPED OFF HAPPY GILMORE!!!)

That was before Tesla gave them a half a million for a product placement endorsement, and they had to reshoot the scene.