Picard S2

[Lightning]

Let's think this through. So they are currently before the timeline split. But we've never seen evidence that time travelers can come from "potential" timelines. That means the only future available is the one Picard and Co. came from. So unless they actively change it, the crew of the Enterprise D will never exist to go back to meet Mark Twain. So this Guinan never met Picard in the past. Once they stop the change she will suddenly regain those memories.

 

[agliarept]

Paid enthusiasm.
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This is so spot on.

The level of excitement, forced or not, is just repugnant to see captured on film. Big turn off hearing someone constantly gush over everything/everyone and remind you, he too, was in star trek.....ugh.

 

[NeoRutty]

Let's think this through. So they are currently before the timeline split. But we've never seen evidence that time travelers can come from "potential" timelines. That means the only future available is the one Picard and Co. came from. So unless they actively change it, the crew of the Enterprise D will never exist to go back to meet Mark Twain. So this Guinan never met Picard in the past. Once they stop the change she will suddenly regain those memories.

I dunno if this plays, but I like it. Sound reasoning.


You get a "No Prize"

 

[Captain Dunsel]

OK, I have to admit that this nostalgia nugget initially gave me all the “giggles and feels”….but then, I cried at the missed opportunity here for consistent character development.

Why did Seven suddenly step out of character and not gouge this guy’s eyeballs out, rip out his tongue, and then crater his head with his boom box while saying “Ambassdor Spock sends his regards”?

 

[kalkamel]

Let's think this through. So they are currently before the timeline split. But we've never seen evidence that time travelers can come from "potential" timelines. That means the only future available is the one Picard and Co. came from. So unless they actively change it, the crew of the Enterprise D will never exist to go back to meet Mark Twain. So this Guinan never met Picard in the past. Once they stop the change she will suddenly regain those memories.

And yet, it is the same timeline where the punk rocker remembers what happened to him the last time he rudely refused when someone asked him to turn off his boombox. So in this timeline, The Voyage Home happened but not Time's Arrow?

Also, it has been shown in Yesterday's Enterprise that if anyone is aware that the timeline has been altered, it would be Guinan.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

And yet, it is the same timeline where the punk rocker remembers what happened to him the last time he rudely refused when someone asked him to turn off his boombox. So in this timeline, The Voyage Home happened but not Time's Arrow?

Also, it has been shown in Yesterday's Enterprise that if anyone is aware that the timeline has been altered, it would be Guinan.

Classic sci-fi writers trying to explain time travel and ensuing paradoxes….

….Nu-Trek writers carefully considering how to get the 1986 Trek IV “punk” on a bus with Seven, while cranking up a boom box in the age of IPhones and earbuds…

I’m trying to think of the last time I saw someone in a public space with a boom box after the turn of the century….

 

[NakedMoleRat]

In an alternate timeline, while everything is not the same, not everything is different. There will be some things that always happen while others have not happened.

 

[kalkamel]

Well whichever timeline it is, one thing remains the same: Raffi is a TERRIBLE character. How she became a Starfleet officer is mind-boggling. If Nomad had scanned her instead of Uhura, it would have destroyed itself on the spot.

 

[Lightning]

And yet, it is the same timeline where the punk rocker remembers what happened to him the last time he rudely refused when someone asked him to turn off his boombox. So in this timeline, The Voyage Home happened but not Time's Arrow?

Also, it has been shown in Yesterday's Enterprise that if anyone is aware that the timeline has been altered, it would be Guinan.

The Punk Rocker is just an Easter Egg. "In Universe" he's just learned to be a bit more polite in the last 35 years.

From the show runner:

Now technically, Star Trek IV wouldn’t have happened in this alternate timeline, but maybe SOME part of him remembers his encounter with Spock in the Prime Timeline.

So some sort of temporal echo memory. He was nearby slingshot time travelers both times.

Oh and while the timeline change is in the Past for Picard, which is why Guinan never met him, it's still 3 days in her future, since she is native. So she wouldn't realize anything was wrong until the 15th, and even then it's not a 1:1 Yesterday's Enterprise situation.

 

[Deric]

I'm okay with this Guinan not knowing Picard since they went back in time from the other future so Times Arrow maybe hadn't happened. However, 10 forward was called that because it was on deck 10 and the most forward part of the ship. The fact it existed after TNG on 10 Forward St I could almost give it a pass but the fact she has the same bar before TNG.... I know this is a nitpick but it seems like they are treating the audience as being dumb.

 

[Treadwell]

Ugh, I'm back to not at all caring what is going on. Characters (Raffi) behaving incredibly stupidly because Act 3 needs a chase scene. If the time paradox made Times Arrow not happen, then it would not enable THEM to be there either. Picard would have at least tried mentioning it if only to get her time echo spider sense or whatever going. And the watcher supervisor possessing three different people to walk him 100 feet was pure manufactured weirdness/drama that had no point---he couldn't be followed if random people take his arm every few steps in one direction? The show is now giving me the same odd combination of frustration and apathy I got from S1 and from Discovery. I guess I'm done.

 

[Treadwell]

I think y'all are being pretty hard on Wil Wheaton. He's hosting a TV show....what, you knock him for doing so enthusiastically? He's not supposed to do his job well? Also, he DOES adore Patrick Stewart, regardless of what he might think of his show. They hired him BECAUSE he's part of the "family", he is THERE to use it to connect with the guests. Hell, those elements of the discussions are all I'm there to hear (so I don't even watch the episodes with new cast members).

 

[Apollo]

OK, I have to admit that this nostalgia nugget initially gave me all the “giggles and feels”….but then, I cried at the missed opportunity here for consistent character development.

Why did Seven suddenly step out of character and not gouge this guy’s eyeballs out, rip out his tongue, and then crater his head with his boom box while saying “Ambassdor Spock sends his regards”?

That has to be the most cringe-worthy scene I have seen this year!

 

[MattMunson]

After episode 4, I'm ready to cash in my chips and just head-canon the whole series into oblivion. Picard Apologists are wasting their time. Bottom line, it's terribly written by people who just don't care about canon, internal consistency, or really just good writing in general.

My contribution here is one of the geography of downtown Los Angeles, where I live. The whole car chase where 7 and Raffi steal the cop car? That entire thing was them just driving around the perimeter of parking lot, across the street from the Convention Center. Less than a city block. I live about a block from where that whole sequence was shot. lol. And where they finally stop the car prior to beam out? That's like half a block away from the block they were just driving in circles around.

Also, the street the bus was going down ran perpendicular to where the beam out shot happened. The bus actually drove right past that intersection. They were headed south on Figueroa, starting at Olympic.

The Police station was just up the hill, at what I think is CBS Studios? It's where they film the exteriors for The Rookie, and was also the tv station in Walter Blunt. They've shot some Orville stuff there too.

The building in the previous episode where 7 and Raffi went up to the roof to get good cell signal was the Intercontinenal hotel, on Wilshire. Which is also where they filmed that final shot of Q in episode 4. He's down on the pool deck. (warning, their mojitos and margaritas there are super watered down. Recommend you get a drink up on the lobby bar, and bring it down to the pool)

 

[Lightning]

If the time paradox made Times Arrow not happen, then it would not enable THEM to be there either.

They are only there because of Q's intervention, placing their minds in their counterparts bodies, so they still remember the old timeline.

 

[blewis17]

This is so spot on.

The level of excitement, forced or not, is just repugnant to see captured on film. Big turn off hearing someone constantly gush over everything/everyone and remind you, he too, was in star trek.....ugh.

Will does seem to be acting it up, doesn't he? Like he's a pitch man for a new As-Seen-On-TV product.

I know he loves the franchise and his time in it, but this seems like too many layers of adoration. Must need the paycheck.

 

[blewis17]

That has to be the most cringe-worthy scene I have seen this year!

At least they got director Kirk Thatcher to come back and reprise the punk role, 36 years later! And Lorraine Baines McFly got to direct him!

 

[blewis17]

In an alternate timeline, while everything is not the same, not everything is different. There will be some things that always happen while others have not happened.

Right.. and that means that there are ALMOST EXACT timelines right up until the point that something diverges. For example, everything in two timelines may be exactly the same, up until the future ST crew time travels back to 1986 (or 2024), where the divergences begin to occur.

Parallel universes don't have to be different. In fact, if there are an infinite number of different universes, then there would also be an infinite number of identical (and nearly identical) parallel universes.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Right.. and that means that there are ALMOST EXACT timelines right up until the point that something diverges. For example, everything in two timelines may be exactly the same, up until the future ST crew time travels back to 1986 (or 2024), where the divergences begin to occur.

Parallel universes don't have to be different. In fact, if there are an infinite number of different universes, then there would also be an infinite number of identical (and nearly identical) parallel universes.

I think the best example of the was Sliders, some were almost exactly the same Earth while others were vastly different.

That was such a great show. Up until season 4 that is!

 

[Apollo]

At least they got director Kirk Thatcher to come back and reprise the punk role, 36 years later! And Lorraine Baines McFly got to direct him!

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Umm, yeah which made it all the more cringe-worthy.

This ham handed attempt at nostalgia is pathetic, as ALL Nu-Trek is.......