...and Kirk's lame death was just Picard's fantasy. Works for me!
Picard S2
- Thread starter Mottrex
- Start date
...and Kirk's lame death was just Picard's fantasy. Works for me!
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Sadly, the Kirk death that we got was better than what was written in the script, and filmed.
He punches Soran who falls to the ground. Kirk turns around and tells Picard that the 24th century isn’t so tough…and then is shot in the back by Soran who then scuttles up to the launching pad to fire off the missle.
Kirk dies in Picard’s arms who then goes and has the final battle with Soran and saves the day.
Yeah, that was how we were supposed to lose Kirk.
It wasn’t until the early screening and fans were angry that they went back and refilmed the whole thing.
Last edited:
Just goes to show that ruining happy endings is not a new thing for genre franchises. The TOS crew got a respectful sendoff, and there was absolutely no need to drag any of them back in to "pass the torch" for the first TNG movie.
Last edited:
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
The script also had Kirk, Spock and McCoy on the Enterprise B, but both Kelley and Nimoy passed, stating that their characters had a fitting swan song on Trek VI. Shatner said he’d do it and so the script was retconned to Scotty and Checkov. They literally just changed the character names, the dialog was exactly the same.
Thus Chekov suddenly became a “doctor” triaging staff in sickbay on the “B” and injecting people and Scotty became an expert on space/time distortions…
Not that it will improve your viewing experience, but SPOILERS below:
Welp. this week's episode is in the can. I guess the only positive thing is that we traded a non-stop parade of nonsense for 50 minutes of boring stuff that, as far as I can tell, barely managed to drive the story forward.
A short list of things that made no sense to me:
1. Where did the bearded guy come from that borg queen left the bar with? They literally showed a shot of her ALONE walking towards DTLA. next ep, she left with a bearded dude and killed him?
2. How come the transporter on the ship NOW doesn't work? Worked fine when 7 and Raffi beamed in and out. Worked fine when they beamed Rios the brain scan thing. Worked fine when Rios beamed in his new family. But NOWWWWW it no workie. I guess it stopped working because the script needed it to stop working. Also what weird alternate universe is this where a kid gets sick from eating a slice of cake or two???? DO THE WRITERS EVEN HAVE KIDS??????
3. How did Q infiltrate the FBI and get into a black site?? We've already commented on the strangeness of Q seeming to have unlimited resources and access despite not having any powers, but this one is pretty high up there on impossibilities.
4. How come Guinan gave such a cryptic message in her astral projection (like, why didn't she just say "this dude ran into vulcans 30 years ago") and worse yet how did Picard so perfectly interpret what she said?
5. Why was Raffi sitting on the ground rubbing her neck for like 8 minutes off camera after being choked by the borg queen? lol Also, I'm pretty sure when you're getting choked and picked up by your neck, you can't make a lot of noise or breathe super good. or at all. For Raffi, it seemed like it was more an inconvenience than anything else.
6. Did Romulan ninja boy have a kiwi accent previously? I honestly don't remember but it seemed super weird to me.
7. How come the MIB got fired for SUCCESSFULLY CAPTURING AN ALIEN AND A TIME TRAVELLER? How come fired MIB guy was able to visit prisoners after he was fired? Why did black site have such terrible security that Piacard/Guinan just marched out after fired MIB man opened the door? This is a VERY poorly run black site! lol WHY did we spent 20% of this episode worrynig about MIB back story and partial redemption?
So those are the more egregious plot nits, but honestly the rest of the episode just seemed like throwaway filler that made no sense. Why is 7 and Raffi bickering a sub plot? What was the net gain of the ENTIRE MIB sub plot? Character moments? As far as I can tell the ONLY thing that moved the story (whatever that might be) forward this ep was deducing some of the borg queens machinations, and coming up with a way to track her.
Welp. this week's episode is in the can. I guess the only positive thing is that we traded a non-stop parade of nonsense for 50 minutes of boring stuff that, as far as I can tell, barely managed to drive the story forward.
A short list of things that made no sense to me:
1. Where did the bearded guy come from that borg queen left the bar with? They literally showed a shot of her ALONE walking towards DTLA. next ep, she left with a bearded dude and killed him?
2. How come the transporter on the ship NOW doesn't work? Worked fine when 7 and Raffi beamed in and out. Worked fine when they beamed Rios the brain scan thing. Worked fine when Rios beamed in his new family. But NOWWWWW it no workie. I guess it stopped working because the script needed it to stop working. Also what weird alternate universe is this where a kid gets sick from eating a slice of cake or two???? DO THE WRITERS EVEN HAVE KIDS??????
3. How did Q infiltrate the FBI and get into a black site?? We've already commented on the strangeness of Q seeming to have unlimited resources and access despite not having any powers, but this one is pretty high up there on impossibilities.
4. How come Guinan gave such a cryptic message in her astral projection (like, why didn't she just say "this dude ran into vulcans 30 years ago") and worse yet how did Picard so perfectly interpret what she said?
5. Why was Raffi sitting on the ground rubbing her neck for like 8 minutes off camera after being choked by the borg queen? lol Also, I'm pretty sure when you're getting choked and picked up by your neck, you can't make a lot of noise or breathe super good. or at all. For Raffi, it seemed like it was more an inconvenience than anything else.
6. Did Romulan ninja boy have a kiwi accent previously? I honestly don't remember but it seemed super weird to me.
7. How come the MIB got fired for SUCCESSFULLY CAPTURING AN ALIEN AND A TIME TRAVELLER? How come fired MIB guy was able to visit prisoners after he was fired? Why did black site have such terrible security that Piacard/Guinan just marched out after fired MIB man opened the door? This is a VERY poorly run black site! lol WHY did we spent 20% of this episode worrynig about MIB back story and partial redemption?
So those are the more egregious plot nits, but honestly the rest of the episode just seemed like throwaway filler that made no sense. Why is 7 and Raffi bickering a sub plot? What was the net gain of the ENTIRE MIB sub plot? Character moments? As far as I can tell the ONLY thing that moved the story (whatever that might be) forward this ep was deducing some of the borg queens machinations, and coming up with a way to track her.
kalkamel
Master Member
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
You are obviously NOT the target audience.
kalkamel
Master Member
I was cheering LOUDLY during the strangling scene. Too bad there was no "SNAP!".
Also, WTF did JuratiBorg want to stop Renee Picard from going on the Europa Mission when that will only ensure the Confederation future where the Borg will be persecuted by humans??
Also, WTF did JuratiBorg want to stop Renee Picard from going on the Europa Mission when that will only ensure the Confederation future where the Borg will be persecuted by humans??
Last edited:
From the reactions to the recent episodes it's very clear why the fan bait, full "TNG" cast tease for season 3 was released recently. I put TNG in quotations because it is obvious after years of Kurtzman's palid attempts to make Star Trek that the last 10 episodes of this already cancelled series won't be anything near the quality of TNG.
That's an insult to monkeys everywhere.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
All writers draw from inspiration.
The Picard writers are no exception.
“Hey guys, dig through this. The story for the final episode is likely in there.”
Last edited:
Bloop
Sr Member
Star Trek: Picarbage
Trying to sort through ep 8. Red beard guy = red shirt? He did have a red flannel shirt too...another dumb Easter egg I wonder? Seven and Raffi sure hung around his dead body for a pretty long time, in broad daylight, next to an open air parking lot, off of a busy street. They didn't seem too concerned about anyone coming along and asking questions about why they're casually chatting next to a dead man with his throat ripped out, or the butterfly effect of that guy dying needlessly, or even care about the fact that he died. Guess some people just don't matter.
Seven says of Juarati/borg queen, "she hasn't been able to assimilate or we'd know." How would they know, exactly?
Sorry to the kid actor who plays the clinic doc's son, if he accually has a speech impediment, but I'm tired of kids with speech impediments being portrayed as cute. It's offensive to kids that struggle with the problem - it's deemed "cute" when they're young (a trope that has been worn out in tv and movies) but once they get too old, they'll get mocked by their peers and have a hard time fitting in. My two cents. Plus, they wrote that kid as super annoying, so I think they thought the speech impediment would soften the edges, make him seem "precocious" rather than an annoyance. Again, apologies to the child actor, it's not really his fault (he's not a very good actor, though).
Borg queens eat batteries. Okay, noted.
Guinen can astral project herself. Okay. Not saying it would be out of character, since we don't know that much about her species (El-Aurians), but seems like it was written in as a short cut when the writers couldn't figure out how to get Picard to find out about the FBI agent's "first contact" moment - and it still didn't make sense, especially why Guinen couldn't just tell Picard without relying on a cryptic message (as MattMunson pointed out in his post above).
Q's dying (another contrivance that goes against what we know of the Q continuum), trying to make up for his misdeeds in a way that I still don't understand. Now we add a bunch of mercenaries turned into Borg - boy, that butterfly effect must be a lot harder to cause the future to change than I thought. How many 21st century lives will have been ended by the time they "correct" the timeline?
Trying to sort through ep 8. Red beard guy = red shirt? He did have a red flannel shirt too...another dumb Easter egg I wonder? Seven and Raffi sure hung around his dead body for a pretty long time, in broad daylight, next to an open air parking lot, off of a busy street. They didn't seem too concerned about anyone coming along and asking questions about why they're casually chatting next to a dead man with his throat ripped out, or the butterfly effect of that guy dying needlessly, or even care about the fact that he died. Guess some people just don't matter.
Seven says of Juarati/borg queen, "she hasn't been able to assimilate or we'd know." How would they know, exactly?
Sorry to the kid actor who plays the clinic doc's son, if he accually has a speech impediment, but I'm tired of kids with speech impediments being portrayed as cute. It's offensive to kids that struggle with the problem - it's deemed "cute" when they're young (a trope that has been worn out in tv and movies) but once they get too old, they'll get mocked by their peers and have a hard time fitting in. My two cents. Plus, they wrote that kid as super annoying, so I think they thought the speech impediment would soften the edges, make him seem "precocious" rather than an annoyance. Again, apologies to the child actor, it's not really his fault (he's not a very good actor, though).
Borg queens eat batteries. Okay, noted.
Guinen can astral project herself. Okay. Not saying it would be out of character, since we don't know that much about her species (El-Aurians), but seems like it was written in as a short cut when the writers couldn't figure out how to get Picard to find out about the FBI agent's "first contact" moment - and it still didn't make sense, especially why Guinen couldn't just tell Picard without relying on a cryptic message (as MattMunson pointed out in his post above).
Q's dying (another contrivance that goes against what we know of the Q continuum), trying to make up for his misdeeds in a way that I still don't understand. Now we add a bunch of mercenaries turned into Borg - boy, that butterfly effect must be a lot harder to cause the future to change than I thought. How many 21st century lives will have been ended by the time they "correct" the timeline?
Last edited:
somerset fox
Sr Member
So the French cop from the earlier episode goes back to his station, never finding the person calling in the domestic, but with a pain in his abdominal cavity we’re he now has no spleen!!
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Forget the butterfly effect, this is turning into a turkey effect!
Bearing in mind as I mentioned before I'm only getting my information from the RLM video reviews, so I'm happy to be corrected on any details which may be inaacurate in my assesment.
Let's establish this, the La Serena is in Picard's family vineyard somewhere in Paris and the rest of the gang are roaming around the streets of LA.
So the Borg Queen was on the La Serena with full access to all the ship's technology that she could have EASILY assimilated and used it's advanced technology to establish a Borg presence on 21st century Earth , if that is her motive. But, instead she somehow magically just touched Jurati on the cheek which transferred the Queen's entire Borg knowledge and also what equates to the Queen's personality into Jurati's brain without the use of a single nanoprobe and also another very key point, WITHOUT assimilating her.
Then Jurati just wanders around an LA carpark, (again because it is cheap to film there and you don't have to build any sets) eating batteries because she "needs the metal".
Not to mention all of this mucking about with summoning the French cop for no reason just to have someone be surprised and then kill, essentially a red shirt, she didn't assimilate him, or if she did, he was just left on the La Serena as a drone without then doing anything at all he just presumable sat around without an alcove to regenerate or, I don't know go off and assimilate more drones for a new collective like all Borg would normally do.
Then Jurati, who apparently does have nanoprobes, assimilates a patiently waiting group of mercenaries summoned by a very very recently, publicly disgraced geneticist. The first guy gets what appears to be a painful assimilation and the rest of the mercenaries just stand and watch, happy to undergo this same process.
Lastly, if Q has no powers where is he getting all these complex serums made to bait Brent Spiner, sorry, Adam Soong with? Is there a Serums4U in LA that we haven't been told about?
I'd love to hear Terry Matalas's response to these painfully obvious plotholes which it appears a lot of shills on website reviews seem to conveniently skip over. Saying that, Matalas would likely just say we are being toxic and block you.
Let's establish this, the La Serena is in Picard's family vineyard somewhere in Paris and the rest of the gang are roaming around the streets of LA.
So the Borg Queen was on the La Serena with full access to all the ship's technology that she could have EASILY assimilated and used it's advanced technology to establish a Borg presence on 21st century Earth , if that is her motive. But, instead she somehow magically just touched Jurati on the cheek which transferred the Queen's entire Borg knowledge and also what equates to the Queen's personality into Jurati's brain without the use of a single nanoprobe and also another very key point, WITHOUT assimilating her.
Then Jurati just wanders around an LA carpark, (again because it is cheap to film there and you don't have to build any sets) eating batteries because she "needs the metal".
Not to mention all of this mucking about with summoning the French cop for no reason just to have someone be surprised and then kill, essentially a red shirt, she didn't assimilate him, or if she did, he was just left on the La Serena as a drone without then doing anything at all he just presumable sat around without an alcove to regenerate or, I don't know go off and assimilate more drones for a new collective like all Borg would normally do.
Then Jurati, who apparently does have nanoprobes, assimilates a patiently waiting group of mercenaries summoned by a very very recently, publicly disgraced geneticist. The first guy gets what appears to be a painful assimilation and the rest of the mercenaries just stand and watch, happy to undergo this same process.
Lastly, if Q has no powers where is he getting all these complex serums made to bait Brent Spiner, sorry, Adam Soong with? Is there a Serums4U in LA that we haven't been told about?
I'd love to hear Terry Matalas's response to these painfully obvious plotholes which it appears a lot of shills on website reviews seem to conveniently skip over. Saying that, Matalas would likely just say we are being toxic and block you.
Similar threads
