Pep to Molded Plastics War Machine,Gatling Gun,Stronger Mount and Other WM Weaponry!

Re: Mixed Pep/Foam War Machine and Gatling Gun with Stronger Mount and other WM weapo

Yeah LOL! I get that sometimes.... its the nose for sure.Wish I was famous like him... hear he's a super nice guy too.
 
Re: Mixed Pep/Foam War Machine and Gatling Gun with Stronger Mount and other WM weapo

So I've had a week without A/C,:cry laying out six grand for a new system, :cry :cry, :sick then a rapidly growing dissatisfaction with the way my shoulder bells are coming out!:angry Can't bear to turn out anything less than perfect. Surreal understands.. I am fundamentally satisfied with my neck seal...so far my only "success"
*SIGH*
The good thing is forced inactivity = some time spent on the net doing research and looking for better techniques. Also found someone to look at my work and teach me molding techniques. My hope is to convince them to teach me hands on some of the most advanced molding techniques. Yep, I am going to mold the whole suit... I think the results will be worth it.
Think I may have found something as well to do a better job covering the pepakura and prepping it for molding. Sounds like I have been productive? Sort of, doesn't actually feel like it. I haven't moved any of my builds forward physically, but the old addage, measure twice, cut once really is becoming something of a mantra here in my house/ creative mad scientist lair. I will be posting results after some trial work.:)
More later!
M
 
Re: Mixed Pep/Foam War Machine and Gatling Gun with Stronger Mount and other WM weapo

So I've had a week without A/C,:cry laying out six grand for a new system, :cry :cry, :sick then a rapidly growing dissatisfaction with the way my shoulder bells are coming out!:angry Can't bear to turn out anything less than perfect. Surreal understands.. I am fundamentally satisfied with my neck seal...so far my only "success"
*SIGH*
The good thing is forced inactivity = some time spent on the net doing research and looking for better techniques. Also found someone to look at my work and teach me molding techniques. My hope is to convince them to teach me hands on some of the most advanced molding techniques. Yep, I am going to mold the whole suit... I think the results will be worth it.
Think I may have found something as well to do a better job covering the pepakura and prepping it for molding. Sounds like I have been productive? Sort of, doesn't actually feel like it. I haven't moved any of my builds forward physically, but the old addage, measure twice, cut once really is becoming something of a mantra here in my house/ creative mad scientist lair. I will be posting results after some trial work.:)
More later!
M



Perfection loves patience and time; patience is like a high maintenance woman, hard to get and easy to loose, and time is as precious as gold, and not all the time we can afford it...wow I just had a Confucius moment there......
 
Re: Mixed Pep/Foam War Machine and Gatling Gun with Stronger Mount and other WM weapo

Cool build, can't wait to see it when its finished
 
Re: Mixed Pep/Foam War Machine and Gatling Gun with Stronger Mount and other WM weapo

Can't believe its been almost three weeks since my last post!:cry Been an interesting time too!:angry Home A/C died = no build... Vacation to Seattle and Alaska for ten days= No build.. Laptop died on vacation (motherboard burned out) = No build/ no posts:sick. Huge thanks to my brother Propnoob aka David V for helping me recover all my Iron Man and War Machine files!:cool David, I'd be so lost without your friendship and support!! Yes, everything is now backed up on my Terrabyte external drive LOL! :confused :behave:facepalm
I have however been doing a (Very) little on my shoulder bells. I held off posting as I wanted them better than my initial attempts that I had produced, these pics are pretty much stage 2. Shooting for perfection in stage 4 - 5.:sleep
Here are the pics and commentary about issues I am working to overcome..
bell2.jpg


bell3.jpg


bell1.jpg


bell5.jpg


At this stage they are....well? ok? , but only just.
Dont be fooled, as there are serious issues.:wacko Pictures inside the house hide flaws, the armor bridge covers alot of the flaws and the shoulder dongle does as well. When you remove them and put the bell under different lighting,(sunlight) the truth glares.. They suck.:eek

I appreciate Davy, Surreal and Fingaz time, advice, honest input and ideas! I am sorry it took so long to thank you guys!

bell1a.jpg


primedbell2.jpg

Riddle me this, Here are some major problems I have been having...:$
What kept happening is, that no matter how carefully I worked on one section, I keep sanding off too much filler and either damaged a previously finished section or over worked it and lost details. I am also having extreme difficulty keeping those nice ultra sharp edges and keeping the curved seam lines straight. Plus my fiberglassed pep seams keep popping back out!:$
Yeah, I know, I am not 3D printing here, but look what three of my role models accomplished with pep and bondo..
So the answer is go back, keep trying, stop rushing, and mask while sanding, go by feel not so much by eye and mist coats of flat black when sanding!
So I mixed up some rondo today and brushed it on with a paint brush to get to this next step

rondobell2.jpg


rondobell1.jpg


I am aiming to be as close to the near perfection of my role models as possible and I know it is just going to be patience and trying things (sometimes over and over) until I get it right.

I started sanding the rondo covered part this evening and so far I am pleased with the way the divits filled and the general smoothness. The rondo sands better than I anticipated.I will probably need to apply another coat of the rondo.. What I liked about brushing it on so thin is that it over comes the issue of putting the Bondo on with a rubber spreader and having it go on so thick that you have to "overwork" the area to get back to the form underneath.. We are not fixing a dented car panel and only need very thin layers over the peps, not thick caked on body filler.. That was a Eureka moment for sure!:lol
I have also decided to loose the ultra hard sharp edges that I wanted so bad. My friend David pointed out several times in previous discussions that the WM peps used the game graphics for some parts and that if you look at movie stills the edges are more soft and rounded in the close ups.. Also in "real life" these parts would be stamped or lathed so razor sharp edges would likely not be used as it thins the metal and weakens it, plus rounded edges deflect more damage, sharp edges would catch more flack and damage easier. In my universe any ways! :popcorn
We'll see how that turns out tomorrow when I sand again, prime, dust coat and sand and prime and....:unsure

Please, any ideas, tools, trade secrets would be appreciated, especially for those curved seam lines!
Thanks!
M
 
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Re: Mixed Pep/Foam War Machine and Gatling Gun with Stronger Mount and other WM weapo

dont know how ya can handle 2 builds man I can barely handle 1:lol much respect
 
Re: Mixed Pep/Foam War Machine and Gatling Gun with Stronger Mount and other WM weapo

Can't believe its been almost three weeks since my last post!:cry Been an interesting time too!:angry Home A/C died = no build... Vacation to Seattle and Alaska for ten days= No build.. Laptop died on vacation (motherboard burned out) = No build/ no posts:sick. Huge thanks to my brother Propnoob aka David V for helping me recover all my Iron Man and War Machine files!:cool David, I'd be so lost without your friendship and support!! Yes, everything is now backed up on my Terrabyte external drive LOL! :confused :behave:facepalm
I have however been doing a (Very) little on my shoulder bells. I held off posting as I wanted them better than my initial attempts that I had produced, these pics are pretty much stage 2. Shooting for perfection in stage 4 - 5.:sleep
Here are the pics and commentary about issues I am working to overcome..
bell2.jpg


bell3.jpg


bell1.jpg


bell5.jpg


At this stage they are....well? ok? , but only just.
Dont be fooled, as there are serious issues.:wacko Pictures inside the house hide flaws, the armor bridge covers alot of the flaws and the shoulder dongle does as well. When you remove them and put the bell under different lighting,(sunlight) the truth glares.. They suck.:eek

I appreciate Davy, Surreal and Fingaz time, advice, honest input and ideas! I am sorry it took so long to thank you guys!

bell1a.jpg


primedbell2.jpg

Riddle me this, Here are some major problems I have been having...:$
What kept happening is, that no matter how carefully I worked on one section, I keep sanding off too much filler and either damaged a previously finished section or over worked it and lost details. I am also having extreme difficulty keeping those nice ultra sharp edges and keeping the curved seam lines straight. Plus my fiberglassed pep seams keep popping back out!:$
Yeah, I know, I am not 3D printing here, but look what three of my role models accomplished with pep and bondo..
So the answer is go back, keep trying, stop rushing, and mask while sanding, go by feel not so much by eye and mist coats of flat black when sanding!
So I mixed up some rondo today and brushed it on with a paint brush to get to this next step

rondobell2.jpg


rondobell1.jpg


I am aiming to be as close to the near perfection of my role models as possible and I know it is just going to be patience and trying things (sometimes over and over) until I get it right.

I started sanding the rondo covered part this evening and so far I am pleased with the way the divits filled and the general smoothness. The rondo sands better than I anticipated.I will probably need to apply another coat of the rondo.. What I liked about brushing it on so thin is that it over comes the issue of putting the Bondo on with a rubber spreader and having it go on so thick that you have to "overwork" the area to get back to the form underneath.. We are not fixing a dented car panel and only need very thin layers over the peps, not thick caked on body filler.. That was a Eureka moment for sure!:lol
I have also decided to loose the ultra hard sharp edges that I wanted so bad. My friend David pointed out several times in previous discussions that the WM peps used the game graphics for some parts and that if you look at movie stills the edges are more soft and rounded in the close ups.. Also in "real life" these parts would be stamped or lathed so razor sharp edges would likely not be used as it thins the metal and weakens it, plus rounded edges deflect more damage, sharp edges would catch more flack and damage easier. In my universe any ways! :popcorn
We'll see how that turns out tomorrow when I sand again, prime, dust coat and sand and prime and....:unsure

Please, any ideas, tools, trade secrets would be appreciated, especially for those curved seam lines!
Thanks!
M



Man!!! I need to get on board and try to finish some of the build; I have not made anything with this crazy schedule from work, also I do need to speed up a bit cause when it gets cold here in Illinois it will be impossible for me to do anything....

As or the computer, I'm glad I can help anytime, I did lost some of my files once, that's why I keep copies on outside devices....well I'm off today so let's get the building going....
 
Re: Mixed Pep/Foam War Machine and Gatling Gun with Stronger Mount and other WM weapo

So I of course took the advice of the masters and went back to work!:) Here are some almost completed pics of my WM shoulder bell... I have probably one more dust coat and sanding, then re-primer, but getting better since last time!:cool
Went from this::sick
bells2.jpg


To this:facepalm:facepalm:cry

primedbell2.jpg


To this, with some serious elbow grease!:love

bell2_zpsda338385.jpg


bell1_zps2d18d23b.jpg


bell3_zps4ba2bb5e.jpg


bell4_zpsd366c12e.jpg


Still have more work, but glad I have only one bell to do as I will be casting my parts...:cool
I am very excited to have found that the local carrier (here in Orlando Florida) of SmoothCast products have seminars and classes that I can attend!!! I want to learn as much as I can didactically as well as watching all the videos.:)
Obviously have to do the dongles, but getting there!!
M
 
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Re: Mixed Pep/Foam War Machine and Gatling Gun with Stronger Mount and other WM weapo

dont know how ya can handle 2 builds man I can barely handle 1:lol much respect

LOL! I have to say that I wish I was doing two at once!:behave My MK3 is really on the back burners for now, :crybut I am learning so much that will help me do a better job on the MK3 which is my dream machine! Plus I want to do justice to Dancin_fools awesome files!:cool
M
 
Re: Mixed Pep/Foam War Machine and Gatling Gun with Stronger Mount and other WM weapo

That is looking sweet!!!! Man I need to get back into building mine, this crazy schedule of mine is killing me.....
 
Re: Mixed Pep/Foam War Machine and Gatling Gun with Stronger Mount and other WM weapo

Looks great..makes me want to redo mine..lol
 
Re: Mixed Pep/Foam War Machine and Gatling Gun with Stronger Mount and other WM weapo

Well anyone following my builds knows I am very much shooting for a high quality build. Read that as "fussy as heck".:$
I finally got the main shoulder bell body to a passable point,:unsure

bell3_zps4ba2bb5e.jpg


Buuut, I really got to looking at the bridge piece and the bolt/nut assembly that go at the pivot,:sick
I really hated it with all its sharp egdges and knew fixing it to look good with bondo was going to be a bear if I wanted it sharp, and clean:wacko
Here is the original pep with resin;

bellnut1.jpg


So I devoted some time to building a better nut assembly,:sleep
Here are my "two new nuts", no jokes please :lol:behave:darnkids

bellnut2.jpg


However when I was done with my first prototype, I showed it to my buddy and very good friend propnoob74.. He pointed out to me the first nut I had made was not correct, :confused (He is as big a purist as I am.:cool )
I made the original from the peps and it has two separate grooves with sealed ends...per the pdo files.
He told me to look at the pictures again and that the grooves were open at the end on all of the pics. Sure enough, the nut has open grooves!:facepalm Drat so now I have two different nut assemblies.:behave

They look like this when placed in the bell;
bellnut4.jpg

Pepakura pdo style.
bellnut3.jpg

Picture/movie style.
bellnut6.jpg


Please pardon that the part it is not glued in or glued to the bridge piece as I am going to mold my parts...

I will be molding these eventually and if anyone is interested in a set, please PM me and if forum interest is high enough I might be enticed to make a batch or two.:thumbsup
 
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Re: Pep to Molded Plastics War Machine,Gatling Gun,Stronger Mount and Other WM Weapon

Nice!!! those look awesome, I can't wait to see how you are going to mold these babies by the way, I got of my a..s and harden the new torso, I will be glassing it this weekend, I will be sending you the reference pictures I have.... Keep up the awesome job bro...
 
Re: Pep to Molded Plastics War Machine,Gatling Gun,Stronger Mount and Other WM Weapon

Here is the shoulder bell and bolt in the color they will be on the completed armor.:)
blackbell1.jpg

blackbell3.jpg

blacknut2.jpg
Now on to the torso and arms!
Heres where Im at on the torso.
hotmess1.jpg


Long, long way to go.:wacko
 
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Re: Pep to Molded Plastics War Machine,Gatling Gun,Stronger Mount and Other WM Weapon

Wow super clean shoulder bell, mine needs surgery it warped too much
 
Re: Pep to Molded Plastics War Machine,Gatling Gun,Stronger Mount and Other WM Weapon

So if you are like me....and whose not when it comes to being fussy about my build that is.:$:lol

Simple tip folks might like;
I hate when I am resining my pepakura how the edges sag when they get wet with the resin..
Simple cure,
Wait till the resin is no longer wet and take a bunch of popsickle sticks and rubber band them together like this...
simpleclamp1.jpg


In essense you are making a cheap clip.
then you take sticks to make braces on the sagging edges and clamp them like this....

simpleclamp2.jpg


and like this....

simpleclamp.jpg


Basically you are making a clamp/brace affair that can stay in place till the resin is 100% cured.:)

I guess you could put wax paper in between if you were afraid the resin might stick..to the stick

You may ask why not use file clamps (the black metal ones) they work but are expensive, you might have to go get them and the tension is not adjustible. You can simply move your rubber bands up or down on the stick, increase or decrease wraps to make the grip softer...so it doesnt crush things, I even was able to T-Pee the braces into a V then lightly clamp it to keep the V shape I wanted on the edge!
M


Works for me, hope it helps others.
M
 
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Re: Pep to Molded Plastics War Machine,Gatling Gun,Stronger Mount and Other WM Weapon

Thanks for the tip :)
 
Re: Pep to Molded Plastics War Machine,Gatling Gun,Stronger Mount and Other WM Weapon

You are welcome!! :$ I just got home from work and unshimmed my resined edges and they are sharp!!!:) No waves or ripples!!! :cool Wish I could say that for the whole torso LOL!:lol:behave Oh well.... be no fun at all if this were too easy...Right??
M
 
Re: Pep to Molded Plastics War Machine,Gatling Gun,Stronger Mount and Other WM Weapon

Im not the best pep man out there, so when a piece warp or bend i dont worry, cause when using the bondo you can fix it
 
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