I can defiantly imagine them tying the ORCA up in the pond or close to bay. why spend crew time getting out to see. but building a separate set would involve construction costs and give you a reverse shot problem. we see the lamp and prop moving so we know the simplest option would be to shoot on the boat as moving a set also involve a big rig. Remember its not just the inside of the cabin you would have to move anything out side the windows like mast barrels.BTW, I've read at least one vague reference to the USS Indianapolis scene being filmed in a mockup of the cabin on shore.
I've never seen photos of a fake mockup cabin set. But it would make sense from a practical POV.
I suppose they could be referring to a situation where they used the (real) Orca but it was tied up to a dock or something.
Yep, filming a Day for Night scene would've been one of the trick they used.Indianpolis speech scene -
Re-watching the scene tonight, I don't think they used a mockup of the cabin. There's too much detail. It looks too cramped (like they couldn't remove any walls). You can see parts of the boat showing outside through the windows. If that's a mockup set then they went to a lot more trouble than necessary.
I was flipping through the photo gallery on the DVD. There's a single B/W photo that's hard to make out, but I wonder if it was during the filming of the Indy speech scene. Or at least during the prep work for it.
It looks like the Orca (#1) secured at a dock, with some of the left-side windows blocked off somehow (tinted darker?) . There's a big sheet of glass sitting vertical in the rear deck (helping to block light/wind into the cabin?)
I suspect they probably filmed the Indy scene during the daytime and darkened the windows. It would be more convenient than trying to stay up several nights to shoot the scene. And when the cast/crew comment about Robert Shaw's drunkenness during that scene, they seem to refer to "the first day" or "the second day".
A daytime shoot was probably the only way to keep the outside (ocean) horizon visible through the windows. If they had really filmed it at night then the interior lighting would have blown out the light levels and made the world outside just look black.
During the scene, when the shark starts ramming the boat, there's a shot where Dreyfuss is hanging onto the steering wheel and Scheider falls back through the swinging doors into the front hold. The front window looks much darker than the starboard side windows. Possibly more evidence of tinting/blocking off the window light.
That is totally possible and would explain the removal of the 3 harpoons from the out side of the windows to make room. it is widely know the shots of them on the deck shooting at Bruce are Day for night. and I double reflection would defiantly come from a ND screen. there is a shot of Hooper where the harpoons are back and its pitch back out side that could have been done at a later date as a night shoot pick upIndianpolis speech scene -
Re-watching the scene tonight, I don't think they used a mockup of the cabin. There's too much detail. It looks too cramped (like they couldn't remove any walls). You can see parts of the boat showing outside through the windows. If that's a mockup set then they went to a lot more trouble than necessary.
I was flipping through the photo gallery on the DVD. There's a single B/W photo that's hard to make out, but I wonder if it was during the filming of the Indy speech scene. Or at least during the prep work for it.
It looks like the Orca (#1) secured at a dock, with some of the left-side windows blocked off somehow (tinted darker?) . There's a big sheet of glass sitting vertical in the rear deck (helping to block light/wind into the cabin?)
I suspect they probably filmed the Indy scene during the daytime and darkened the windows. It would be more convenient than trying to stay up several nights to shoot the scene. And when the cast/crew comment about Robert Shaw's drunkenness during that scene, they seem to refer to "the first day" or "the second day".
A daytime shoot was probably the only way to keep the outside (ocean) horizon visible through the windows. If they had really filmed it at night then the interior lighting would have blown out the light levels and made the world outside just look black.
During the scene, when the shark starts ramming the boat, there's a shot where Dreyfuss is hanging onto the steering wheel and Scheider falls back through the swinging doors into the front hold. The front window looks much darker than the starboard side windows. Possibly more evidence of tinting/blocking off the window light.
The land is in sight on purpose to make you feel like if the boat had just kept going they would be safe. remember they have not gone to sea just off the coast where the shark is.The day-for-night scenes are one of the few things on JAWS that make me wish for a CGI-tweaked special edition. DFN does not age well. I think it was more watchable on projected film because the contrast & saturation levels were lower across the board.
It's one of these things like garbage matte lines in Star Wars. Sometimes CGI tweaks would be necessary just to deliver a video version that looks like what people originally saw in the theaters.
There's also a few shots in the final act of JAWS where the shore is visible at the horizon or at the edges of the frame. I don't think it would be any big artistic sacriledge if they erased that land in future video release.
And why they were in a position to paddle home.The land is in sight on purpose to make you feel like if the boat had just kept going they would be safe. remember they have not gone to sea just off the coast where the shark is.