Obi ANH saber--revisiting the top ring 'notch' theory
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JunkSabers1138
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Pretty funny :lol .
BTW, my name's Seth. Just so you don't have to call me by my screen name ALL the time.
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That's what makes it SO wierd that it was seen and then POOF, gone :unsure . I guess it's now in a place SO secret that only George and God know where it is :love .
Just kidding. But really, I think it's been purposely hidden by some LFL official and NOT stolen.
Just my 2 cents on that matter.
BTW, my name's Seth. Just so you don't have to call me by my screen name ALL the time.
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I could be wrong, but from memory didn't someone who used to work for MR say that they had considered doing a V2, and it was present in the background of some of the shots that were taken of other props by ICONS during their research, but when they tried to look for it a couple of years ago they couldn't find it, and hence it was cancelled off MRs plan.
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That's what makes it SO wierd that it was seen and then POOF, gone :unsure . I guess it's now in a place SO secret that only George and God know where it is :love .
Just kidding
. But really, I think it's been purposely hidden by some LFL official and NOT stolen.Just my 2 cents on that matter.
On a related and relevant topic, how were the grenade's "pineapple" parts manufactured? I has thought that they were cast iron, but someone suggested they were machined. Now I have never seen a real deal Mk III, otherwise I could tell, but it seems to me that a item that explodes for a living would be manufactured with relative speed, like casting in iron. Back when these were made, it seems to me that machining each grenade BY HAND would not be very effective.
I would have to say that if there are grenades with the marks out there in the world, there is a more than better likelyhood that it could have been used on the Obi saber.
So I am in the "Roman" school of thought.
Also, I has assumed that like the Han blaster, the saber was dismantled by the Prop Dept and scattered to the four corners. Not as a conspiracy to vex us for all time :lol , but just because that was the normal practice.
I would have to say that if there are grenades with the marks out there in the world, there is a more than better likelyhood that it could have been used on the Obi saber.
So I am in the "Roman" school of thought.
Also, I has assumed that like the Han blaster, the saber was dismantled by the Prop Dept and scattered to the four corners. Not as a conspiracy to vex us for all time :lol , but just because that was the normal practice.
JunkSabers1138
Sr Member
I think that even if there was any casting involved, they would be cast from machined master grenades. Maybe some of the machined grenades had these marks in them and the casting process sometimes got his mark and sometimes it didn't.
What did Bapty do after the props were dismantled and stored? Are they still active and if not what became of their archives of parts? If they are is there any way we can track these parts (I said this in another thread)?
Also, who here agrees with me that if you had the chance to go back in time and help Lucas with the films that YOU would be the guy that snuck off with (or got payed with in my opinion) the lightsabers and be the one who showed them off many years from now .
What did Bapty do after the props were dismantled and stored? Are they still active and if not what became of their archives of parts? If they are is there any way we can track these parts (I said this in another thread)?
Also, who here agrees with me that if you had the chance to go back in time and help Lucas with the films that YOU would be the guy that snuck off with (or got payed with in my opinion) the lightsabers and be the one who showed them off many years from now
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We discussed the cast/machined and steel/iron thing a while back.
From official sources in the British grenade area, all British grenades are made of steel and not iron (steel is made from iron with carbon added thus making 'steel'), and all the #3 Mk1 grenades are machined, not cast. Iron is more brittle then steel and necessary for exploding in 'fragments' but academically the grenades are infact 'steel'.
The grenades were made by the Hales company (and/or the Cotton Powder company), and as tooling wore down, more then one machine was used, and small changes were made 'in run' no 2 grenades are exactly alike except for ones that were produced in the same 'run'.
If you wanted 'the' ANH Obi-Wan grenade, you would have to find one produced from the same batch on the same machine.
From official sources in the British grenade area, all British grenades are made of steel and not iron (steel is made from iron with carbon added thus making 'steel'), and all the #3 Mk1 grenades are machined, not cast. Iron is more brittle then steel and necessary for exploding in 'fragments' but academically the grenades are infact 'steel'.
The grenades were made by the Hales company (and/or the Cotton Powder company), and as tooling wore down, more then one machine was used, and small changes were made 'in run' no 2 grenades are exactly alike except for ones that were produced in the same 'run'.
If you wanted 'the' ANH Obi-Wan grenade, you would have to find one produced from the same batch on the same machine.
_Lee_
Sr Member
Could someone who has an original grenade please post a pic here?
My belief is that it is either simply damage from production(assuming only one notch can be seen) or from a certain batch that were made way back in the day.I work with steel every day of the week and rest assured,something like this can happen very easily
My belief is that it is either simply damage from production(assuming only one notch can be seen) or from a certain batch that were made way back in the day.I work with steel every day of the week and rest assured,something like this can happen very easily
Serafino
Sr Member
Simba--As JK pointed out, it is confirmed that the No. 3 Mk 1 grenade frag bodies were machined from steel. I mentioned in an earlier post that some of these grenades do show the 'notches', but not all of them do. I also pointed out that the examples which have the notches show them all the way around. This is due to the long grooves being milled in the manner of a gear with some kind of jigged setup. If the picture of a clear section of the upper ring doesn't bother you, I'm sure the 'notch' camp will be happy to have you.
Seth--Bapty is still in business, has already been asked about this prop, and they don't like to talk to people about Star Wars apparently. I'm sure at least half the people who were working at Bapty during the first Star Wars have retired or died by now.
JamesK--Just to clarify, although "all" the No. 3 Mk 1 grenades were machined steel, some later grenades were cast. Seems to me a later rod grenade was cast, for instance.
Lee–pictures of original grenades can be found in the archived grenade thread (link). As has been said, this feature of ‘cutting too far’ does occur on some examples, that’s not the issue.
Here's an extreme example of 'notches', just to clarify the concept. Also a great example of grenade patina. Apologies if this is your image, I don't have the author for this one.
Extreme Notches (link).
Seth--Bapty is still in business, has already been asked about this prop, and they don't like to talk to people about Star Wars apparently. I'm sure at least half the people who were working at Bapty during the first Star Wars have retired or died by now.
JamesK--Just to clarify, although "all" the No. 3 Mk 1 grenades were machined steel, some later grenades were cast. Seems to me a later rod grenade was cast, for instance.
Lee–pictures of original grenades can be found in the archived grenade thread (link). As has been said, this feature of ‘cutting too far’ does occur on some examples, that’s not the issue.
Here's an extreme example of 'notches', just to clarify the concept. Also a great example of grenade patina. Apologies if this is your image, I don't have the author for this one.
Extreme Notches (link).
"But Sir Alec, you just dropped your laser sword prop. This prop will become a piece of movie history. An icon endlessly discussed by fans in intricate detail for decades to come. Maybe you should be a little more careful with it?"
"Do I look like I care.?"
JunkSabers1138
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Oh CUSSWORD. Wonder why they're SO uptight over this. They should know that if they just let us examine the parts and take detailed pics and extensive studies, we'll leave them alone once and for all.
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That is TOO TRUE :lol . I've heard that Alec HATED being in SW because of the LONG production and the unwanted attention he got from fans afterward.
Oh CUSSWORD. Wonder why they're SO uptight over this. They should know that if they just let us examine the parts and take detailed pics and extensive studies, we'll leave them alone once and for all.
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"But Sir Alec, you just dropped your laser sword prop. This prop will become a piece of movie history. An icon endlessly discussed by fans in intricate detail for decades to come. Maybe you should be a little more careful with it?"
"Do I look like I care.?"
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That is TOO TRUE :lol . I've heard that Alec HATED being in SW because of the LONG production and the unwanted attention he got from fans afterward.
p0sitr0nic
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Re: Obi ANH saber--revisiting the top ring 'notch' theory
It wasnt an Iconic holy item yet..
just a junk prop on a movie they were doing at the time, most likely for the paycheck... lol.
They don't seem to give a crap about it judging by the pic
It wasnt an Iconic holy item yet..
just a junk prop on a movie they were doing at the time, most likely for the paycheck... lol.
franz bolo
Sr Member
Re: Obi ANH saber--revisiting the top ring 'notch' theory
No notch! :lol
Here's a super close up of the area. There is no notch on the Chronicles Saber.
FB
No notch! :lol
Here's a super close up of the area. There is no notch on the Chronicles Saber.
FB
franz bolo
Sr Member
Re: Obi ANH saber--revisiting the top ring 'notch' theory
There's no hint of it in the other 2 viewable positions on the Chronicles pic either.
FB
In that position.
There's no hint of it in the other 2 viewable positions on the Chronicles pic either.
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damon5973
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Re: Obi ANH saber--revisiting the top ring 'notch' theory
what about this one...
http://www.buymilsurp.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=6380
I have contacted this guy..he doesnt have any...but I check every few weeks...
there seems to be a notch
what about this one...
http://www.buymilsurp.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=6380
I have contacted this guy..he doesnt have any...but I check every few weeks...
there seems to be a notch
