Nylon Bullwhip tutorial-pic intense

Originally Posted by Ramsey
Not related to the tutorial or the whip I'm about to start making....just a video clip I just found...the coolest bullwhip-involved thing I've ever seen!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFOsKzsYx_g

I'll bet the whip wasn't much good after that though... :confused

They make these things out of kevlar: Firewhip.com

At a starting price of $125, one would hope they last longer than a single use.

Pyromaniac though I may be, you will never catch me trying one of these out. I would certainly be the first casualty! :rolleyes
 
I got a package of the lamp chain (12-foot length) in the lighting department at Home Depot.
Can't help ya with the senew, though...haven't found that myself. I'm using a thin fishing line for that instead.
 
Sinew can be found online...even at amazon.com,
Tandy Leather carries it if you have one locally.
Bead/jewelry making stores sometimes have it.
Michaels sometimes has it as well.
 
I had thought about Michaels, but figured that the small packages the were likely to have would prove cost prohibitive in the long run.
 
I had thought about Michaels, but figured that the small packages the were likely to have would prove cost prohibitive in the long run.


I picked up a little 20 yard roll at Tandy's for 3 dollars. It was more than enough for my six-footer. But if you are going to do a lot of these, a large roll will be much more cost effective.
 
Ok, you're probably gettin' tired of the questions, but I got my paracord from Supply Captain, I've made my core and am ready to start cutting the cord for the belly...and I just want to make sure I'm doing this right...you Know, "measure twice, cut once".

I'm planning an 8-foot whip. I have two 100-foot rolls of desert tan cord (plus a 50-foot roll of white...planning to use the white for the belly so as not to waste any of the tan cord on something that won't be visible anyway). I'm planning on just three layers: core, belly and overlay...though IF I have the cord, I may do a 2nd overlay. For now, however, I'm just planning on the one belly version.

My question is, at approximately what lengths should I cut the cords for this thing...any recommendations on lengths for the belly cords and then the overlay cords? I'm thinking of going with the 8-plait belly and then the 12-plait overlay (and IF I decide on the 2nd overlay, that'll be a 16-plait)...but I'm really worried about coming up short on my tan cords..I want to avoid having to order more cord if I can help it...I just hate starting a project and having to put it on hold. I can't imagine that 200 total feet of tan cord wouldnt' be enough (plus the white cord as well).

Any recommendations you can offer will be greatly appreaciate. I'm anxious to get this thing started.
:)


Sinew can be found online...even at amazon.com,
Tandy Leather carries it if you have one locally.
Bead/jewelry making stores sometimes have it.
Michaels sometimes has it as well.
 
Ok...I will tell you how to cut the strands, but first a bit of a warning.
You can make a 12 plait 8 foot whip, and it'll crack ok, BUT it will have the appearance of being very long and very thin. Not very indy like at all. The plans for the 6 foot are proportionally correct as far as length to diameter.
If you plot the 12 plait 8 feet, then decide to do the 3rd overlay you will need to make the 16 plait whip at LEAST 10 foot, 10'6 would be better.
10 foot whips are not nearly as accurate or fun or easy to crack as a 6 foot or 8 foot whip. I strongly reccomend following the 6 foot plan and adding an 8 foot 3rd layer.

Well the best way to figure an 8 footer is with a 6 foot belly.
So...
Going by the cut twice as much as you think you need rule you should start with
2x24 feet=4x12
1x16=2x8
1x20=2x10
Drop at the end of the 3 foot, and 4 foot shot loaded cores.
This should be enough, save your scrap for knots and falls.
Ron

Ok, you're probably gettin' tired of the questions, but I got my paracord from Supply Captain, I've made my core and am ready to start cutting the cord for the belly...and I just want to make sure I'm doing this right...you Know, "measure twice, cut once".

I'm planning an 8-foot whip. I have two 100-foot rolls of desert tan cord (plus a 50-foot roll of white...planning to use the white for the belly so as not to waste any of the tan cord on something that won't be visible anyway). I'm planning on just three layers: core, belly and overlay...though IF I have the cord, I may do a 2nd overlay. For now, however, I'm just planning on the one belly version.

My question is, at approximately what lengths should I cut the cords for this thing...any recommendations on lengths for the belly cords and then the overlay cords? I'm thinking of going with the 8-plait belly and then the 12-plait overlay (and IF I decide on the 2nd overlay, that'll be a 16-plait)...but I'm really worried about coming up short on my tan cords..I want to avoid having to order more cord if I can help it...I just hate starting a project and having to put it on hold. I can't imagine that 200 total feet of tan cord wouldnt' be enough (plus the white cord as well).

Any recommendations you can offer will be greatly appreaciate. I'm anxious to get this thing started.
:)
 
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So, if I DO follow the original 6-foot plan and add the 2nd overlay, the strands for this overlay wrap around the first fall, right? The 2nd fall is made of the longest remaining cord from the overlay and not the original cord fall? Correct?

Ok...I will tell you how to cut the strands, but first a bit of a warning.
You can make a 12 plait 8 foot whip, and it'll crack ok, BUT it will have the appearance of being very long and very thin. Not very indy like at all. The plans for the 6 foot are proportionally correct as far as length to diameter.
If you plot the 12 plait 8 feet, then decide to do the 3rd overlay you will need to make the 16 plait whip at LEAST 10 foot, 10'6 would be better.
10 foot whips are not nearly as accurate or fun or easy to crack as a 6 foot or 8 foot whip. I strongly reccomend following the 6 foot plan and adding an 8 foot 3rd layer.

Well the best way to figure an 8 footer is with a 6 foot belly.
So...
Going by the cut twice as much as you think you need rule you should start with
2x24 feet=4x12
1x16=2x8
1x20=2x10
Drop at the end of the 3 foot, and 4 foot shot loaded cores.
This should be enough, save your scrap for knots and falls.
Ron
 
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IF you finish the 6 foot whip, you will untie and remove the original fall.
The dropped strands from the 16 plait overlay become the core for the next 2 feet. After you drop to a 4 plait retie the original fall.
If you are planning an 8 foot whip and not finishing the 6 foot, you plot your original core to 8'6" and cut out the dropped strands the same as you did on the 6 foot.

So, if I DO follow the original 6-foot plan and add the 2nd overlay, the strands for this overlay wrap around the first fall, right? The 2nd fall is made of the longest remaining cord from the overlay and not the original cord fall? Correct?
 
Believe it or not, I think I got it now! :lol Sorry to be a pain, just wanted to be sure I did this right. I doubt my first attempt is gonna be all that great anyway, but still...gotta try.

Thanks alot for the help. I think I'll follow your advice and stick with the 6-foot whip with the 2nd overlay. You obviously know what you're doing, and I"m not about to second guess you on this. Thanks again!


IF you finish the 6 foot whip, you will untie and remove the original fall.
The dropped strands from the 16 plait overlay become the core for the next 2 feet. After you drop to a 4 plait retie the original fall.
If you are planning an 8 foot whip and not finishing the 6 foot, you plot your original core to 8'6" and cut out the dropped strands the same as you did on the 6 foot.
 
So I finally finished my first whip.

PICT6917.jpg


It came out much better than I expected. BWC, this is a fantastic tutorial you have given us! And Nexus6, thanks for putting it all together, along with the supplemental materials. :thumbsup

A few random notes:

I eventually came up with two ways to quickly and effectively flatten the paracord. The first was to wrap it very tightly around a cylinder (in my case, a wine bottle) and leave it in the sun for a couple of hours. The heat seems to soften the cord quickly so it can flatten. The second method was to run the cord quickly through a folded piece of leather. Then the leather gets abused, rather than my fingers. This was key, as...

I have blisters. Keeping things tight was really was hard on the hands.

It cracks beautifully, even in the hands of a total tyro.

I just cannot, for the life of me, tie a Turks Head knot directly on the whip. I had to tie it on my fingers, ala the tutorial, then slip it onto the handle and tighten it with fingers, finishing with needlenose pliers.

I think I must have built up the butt of the handle too much. The knot does not cover it too well.

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I'll either have to redo the end, or tie another knot, perhaps with four strands rather than three. Size-wize, it feels pretty good.

My fall knot turned out to be more of a "fail" knot. It looks like heck, though it holds the fall plenty tight.

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I spent a lot of time trying to figure out dropping strands. I think I have it down finally.

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Not too bad, considering the only other braiding I've ever done is for a loaf of challah bread.:lol

Having one of the strands be a different color really did help keep the braiding straight, and I do like the look of it. (Idea stolen directly from NavMidn - thanks!)

I had some close calls in terms of cord length. I came dangerously close to running out early while doing the belly. Cord is cheap. I learned to cut generously, and then trim off what I don't need. Fifty cents worth of cord is cheap compared to having to redo six feet of braiding. (Again NavMidn, I should have paid better attention to your notes from the beginning.)

I swore at every turn that I would never do one of these again. But of course, now that I have actually finished this one, I am itching to do do another, perhaps an eight-footer this time. Again, thanks for the new hobby!
 
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So I finally finished my first whip.

PICT6917.jpg


It came out much better than I expected. BWC, this is a fantastic tutarial you have given us! And Nexus6, thanks for putting it all together, along with the supplemental materials. :thumbsup
Awesome job! :thumbsup :thumbsup

Question(s): Is there only 1 black strand in the overlay? What position was it in when you started? (e.g., was it the uppermost strand, or down in the middle of the other color) <--and I wonder if the position even matters; in other words, if you put the different color in different starting positions, would it change the pattern in the plaiting?

bwc?
 
Nice job!
On the TH knot you can do a 4 pass, but the 3 looks better. Just build it thinner next time. For this one just cut a new piece and follow the leader around again.
These pics you guys keep posting made this all worth while!
Good luck on the next one, and remember CRACK is addictive!

Nexus,
It was one of the longest strands in the final 4 plait as it goes all the way to the end!
No...it will not change the pattern.

Thanks for the kind words, gentlemen.

I'll redo the end a bit narrower next time. I agree that the three strand knot would look better.

Nexus6, BWC knows this stuff too well. The dark strand was indeed one of the longest strands, in my case the uppermost strand that was wrapped around the spike at the start. Since the pattern repeats, and the start is covered by the base knot, I doubt that placement matters.

By the way, I had meant to ask, how are people making and affixing the handloops attached to the end of the handles of some of these whips?
 
Wrist loop
Follow the directions for the 4 plait flat braid here.
http://outdoors-magazine.com/spip.php?article339
Staple to handle then bind securely with sinew.
Fill in opposite sides with strand scraps or leather to round it out. Put your leather or belting around as before.
Complete the knot. But on the TH follow to the outside of your first pass rather than the inside. Bobs your uncle.
Ron

Thanks. That's going on the next one. How does changing the TH follow strands to the outside affect the knot? (Brain not ready to tackle another one of these knots yet. :wacko)

This is going to be tricky for me. Tying the knot on my fingers, then placing it on the handle, first pass tightening, slip it back off the handle, attach the hand loop (through which parts of the knot I'm still not sure yet), slip the knot back on the handle, then final tightening.

Yeppers. I do have my work cut out for me! :lol
 
By going outside rather than inside it leaves the top of the knot open for the loop. Inside closes it. If you close it down the strap will eventually pull your knot loose.
Ron

Interesting. Thanks for that.

At your convenience of course, would you mind posting a pic or two of the handle end of the eight foot whip you displayed in post #76? I'd like a bit of a look at what you've got going on there.
 
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