New Doctor Who Series Discussion *Spoilers*

[Michael Bergeron]

i wouldnt have recognized him if i hadnt started watching a tv series from my childhood again yesterday, brotherly love. anyone remember this guy:

Yep. The birthmark on his head is the dead giveaway. He used to be on the British "Who's Line is it Anyway" frequently as well as he was in Prince of Thieves amongst other things.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

I think it's interesting that they put age on that tombstone and not dates. I guess it's hard to explain 1985-1934, or whatever the year was They would have had to have left instructions after their deaths so that the undertaker only used ages, otherwise the second one would have dated the stone the year of their death making it easier to find them. Had to be a personal choice.

I've seen a lot of gravestones with only dates before. However my best guess is that since they never could provide birth dates the folks they knew would only know them by the age they told them they were.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

I had speculated on that end earlier actually. If the doctor has no time frame on where they went, he can't find them. However, he'd have enough of a window that i'd imagine he could find them pretty damned fast. Tombstone in NYC. Gives him a window of NYC between around 1750-2012. Just checking NYC for them on a yearly basis, he'd find them inside a year. I didn't catch a rule that said he couldn't bring them back, just that he said he couldn't see them again after seeing only an age on the stone. So, unless i missed something, they can always bring them back if they choose.

The tombstone didn't exactly look old. All it would take is a trip back 10-15 years and a look up in the phone book and you likely would have found them.

He couldn't though due to the "time distortion" already in effect with the paradox. He'd blow up New York according to the dialogue.

 

[DuneMuadDib]

I had speculated on that end earlier actually. If the doctor has no time frame on where they went, he can't find them. However, he'd have enough of a window that i'd imagine he could find them pretty damned fast. Tombstone in NYC. Gives him a window of NYC between around 1750-2012. Just checking NYC for them on a yearly basis, he'd find them inside a year. I didn't catch a rule that said he couldn't bring them back, just that he said he couldn't see them again after seeing only an age on the stone. So, unless i missed something, they can always bring them back if they choose.

If he got them it would create another paradox and NYC couldn't handle another paradox. They're time-locked now it seems.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

(Though Amelia is now using "Williams")

I always assumed that "The Pond's" was the Doctor's nickname for them and she always went by Williams in actual life. If not, assuming that they were sent back to 1950 or there abouts, not having his last name would be pretty racy at the time and not considered appropriate.

Random thought:

-When the Doctor checked his hair and eyebrows in the TARDIS, the piece of brass he was looking at was some sort of Rolls Royce placard, like you might find in an old-timey car or engine, indicating the number of services its had. Weird, especially since they seemed to make a point of racking the focus so you could clearly read it.

Noticed that too!

 

[familyman]

WOW, all in all a very good episode. So many holes in the angel rules as people have mentioned. How did the angels move in the hallway while facing each other was a big one, but the statue of liberty added nothing. Also how did the people survive in the hotal for years and years i,e Rory (the one we all saw die) what did he eat and drink in the hotel?..

The episode was really well acted. Matt smith was amazing.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Are we ever going to see how Brian is told or reacts to the news that his son and his daughter in law are never coming home and dead when he JUST said he trusted the Doctor with them and their lives.

I hope so. It was the first thing I thought of.

I thought the last scene was going to be him knocking on a door and Brian opening it. We don't have to see the explanation - just know it occurred. Could be where the xmas episode picks up.

Highly doubt it although I'd say it's in the cards later in the season. Christmas episode seems to be Victorian.

 

[Showtunes]

I liked it. I thought Amy and Rory leaving would be more tragic but it wasn't, which was the only dissapointing bit for me. It's a little too happy ever after together to be tragic.

 

[TheNickFox]

Highly doubt it although I'd say it's in the cards later in the season. Christmas episode seems to be Victorian.

Or they could always pull an End of Time Part II and wait for the next regeneration...not saying they should, just that they could, since the Doctor could travel back to moments after he last left Brian.

My feeling is that they are going to try to clear the slate quickly for the Doctor and save the moping about his previous companion for later.

As a small aside, my girlfriend (Who I converted to Whovianism over the last year) went to the UK over the summer and brought me back a copy of Doctor Who Magazine. I've been meaning to post this for some time now. Something tells me that despite being an "official" magazine, it's not canon:

...As 10 might say, "WHUT?!"

-Nick

 

[Bootlegger137]

I think it's a typo. It was probably supposed to say 5+7 times. :rolleyes

 

[Michael Bergeron]

...As 10 might say, "WHUT?!"

:facepalm:facepalm:facepalm:lol

 

[Jannix Quinn]

If NYC would blow up if he went there in the TARDIS then park it in NJ and catch a bus?

 

[EyeofSauron]

or rather: go back to england, leave him a note in the end comments, that tells him when and where they are. its not like they have to stay in new york.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

If NYC would blow up if he went there in the TARDIS then park it in NJ and catch a bus?

It's the paradox of saving them that would blow up the city, not the TARDIS. :lol

 

[Michael Bergeron]

its not like they have to stay in new york.

Yes they do. 'Cause they're buried there.

 

[cboath]

Well, River got in in the first place using the vortex manipulator. They could use that as well. And if moving them would cause another paradox (not sure how since their jumping death kept the whole initial part from happening in the first place), the manipulator would allow them to see them at their leisure.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Well, River got in in the first place using the vortex manipulator. They could use that as well. And if moving them would cause another paradox (not sure how since their jumping death kept the whole initial part from happening in the first place), the manipulator would allow them to see them at their leisure.

Their jumping death kept the whole initial part from happening but in doing so created a MASSIVE paradox. Apparently New York is pretty fragile right now.

I think the Doctor just realizes that the danger in visiting is so phenomenal that he can't do it. He was gambling when he first went back and that's even with the book telling him he'd make it.

 

[Kerr Avon]

Statue of Liberty thing was the dumbest thing ever. I mean really, we have pictures of it being assembled, people have been inside it, etc.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Statue of Liberty thing was the dumbest thing ever. I mean really, we have pictures of it being assembled, people have been inside it, etc.

That aspect was covered by the line that the Angels were "taking over" all the statues in NYC. My biggest issue was it isn't stone so how could they do that with the Statue of Liberty without it looking very different?

 

[0neiros]

If NYC would blow up if he went there in the TARDIS then park it in NJ and catch a bus?

Park the TARDIS in NJ and come back to it up on blocks and stripped.