Fantastic episode, I dident think it could get better than the last episode with the clifhangers and all, a really great two parter and oen fo the best finales i've seen!
New Doctor Who Series Discussion *Spoilers*
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Kerr Avon
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Because Amy 'remembered' him back into his real self, but kept the memories as well of the Auton version.
LOVED hearing a Dalek beg for mercy.
I liked that Moffat really DID think that scene in the Angels episode through and had the Doctor wearing his coat which was a clue to something hinky going on.
Wondering if River Song really WILL end up being the Rani or something like that after that last bit about everything changing.
Overall, I didn't like this season. With the rare exceptions, it really wasn't that good. However, this two part finale really made it worth it.
Ramirez
Active Member
A great finale to a reasonable first season.
It always takes a while for a new Doctor to find his feet and for the writers to get a feel for his style.
Matt Smith was very good in the role and i'm sure the next season will be much better.
Is he still an Auton though?
I don't know either way but if Amy's parents were restored from the crack why wouldn't human Rory be too?
It always takes a while for a new Doctor to find his feet and for the writers to get a feel for his style.
Matt Smith was very good in the role and i'm sure the next season will be much better.
Is he still an Auton though?
I don't know either way but if Amy's parents were restored from the crack why wouldn't human Rory be too?
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Tom Starkiller
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Rory's human again. From there point of view, they had never met the Doctor in that timeline, once the Doctor had closed the cracks. There memories come from the previous universe that the Pandorica reconstructed.
Birdie
Master Member
I'm not really getting a lot of went on in that episode. Too much timey-wimey stuff.
How did River remember The Doctor, to be at the wedding and give Rory the book to make Amy remember, and how come River still had the vortex manipulator from the previous timeline?
And the big one, how did Amy remembering a person from a timeline that never happened resurrect the Doctor from 'the other side' or whatever?
The whole thing gave me a headache, tbh.
How did River remember The Doctor, to be at the wedding and give Rory the book to make Amy remember, and how come River still had the vortex manipulator from the previous timeline?
And the big one, how did Amy remembering a person from a timeline that never happened resurrect the Doctor from 'the other side' or whatever?
The whole thing gave me a headache, tbh.
Rotwang
Sr Member
It's been established in previous episodes that once you are a time traveler you don't easily succumb to timeline changes and reboots and can recall these events even if they "never happened".
River might have gotten another manipulator and gone back to find the doctor, knowing he would be there from later encounters.
There are a few loose threads here and there. I'd have to watch it again and take notes.
I get the feeling the doctor needed a whole series to get his stride this time. He was bumbling about in the first few episodes, but in the last ones he started to get up to speed.
Roll on the X-mas episode !!!
Tom Starkiller
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Just before he flew the Pandorica, the Doctor told Amy that becuase she had lived her life with that crack in her room, the universe had poured into her head. As his time stream was then re-winding, he told her the story of himself and the blue box. Upon seeing Rivers diary, Amy remember the Doctor and 'Something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue.'
As for River, the TARDIS had taken her to the day of Amy's wedding prior to the explosion, therefore, when the universe was reconstructed, that was the right place for her to be. The Doctor still had the VM, which he then gave to River, presumably so that she could go back to her own time.
As for River, the TARDIS had taken her to the day of Amy's wedding prior to the explosion, therefore, when the universe was reconstructed, that was the right place for her to be. The Doctor still had the VM, which he then gave to River, presumably so that she could go back to her own time.
Birdie
Master Member
Hmmm...River stated herself that she wouldn't remember The Doctor if the timeline was rebooted...and she went and cut off another Time Agent's hand??
I think I need to watch the whole season again, but right now I'm not really feeling the love. Big Bang suffered the same problems for me as a lot of Moffat's episodes - not really thought out that well and kinda holey, like The Beast Below and Time of Angels. I think he has really cool ideas, but they aren't very well plotted.
Say what you will about RTD, behind the crappy humour and fart gags, his stuff was extremeley well plotted and tightly paced. This season has been all over the place, just not really clicking for me.
Still the best thing on TV though :lol
I think I need to watch the whole season again, but right now I'm not really feeling the love. Big Bang suffered the same problems for me as a lot of Moffat's episodes - not really thought out that well and kinda holey, like The Beast Below and Time of Angels. I think he has really cool ideas, but they aren't very well plotted.
Say what you will about RTD, behind the crappy humour and fart gags, his stuff was extremeley well plotted and tightly paced. This season has been all over the place, just not really clicking for me.
Still the best thing on TV though :lol
Birdie
Master Member
Yeah I get all that, but that resurrected him how, now?
That doesn't work. The new timeline didn't exist at that point - the book wouldn't have been blank, and River would have known the resolution to the whole story when the Doctor rescued her from the exploding Tardis. I guess he could have given her the VM though - or did they actually show that? I'm confuuuused!
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My bad, he did give it to her, just checked.
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Tom Starkiller
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It's science fiction, anything is possible.
Time travel is so complex that sometimes it just isn't worth thinking about too deeply. Take it as what it is, a story.
It doesn't matter if the new time line didn't exist. When the TARDIS exploded, the last place that River had been was at Amy's house. She couldn't have been put back in the TARDIS because until Amy brought him back, there was no Doctor/TARDIS.
Time travel is so complex that sometimes it just isn't worth thinking about too deeply. Take it as what it is, a story.
It doesn't matter if the new time line didn't exist. When the TARDIS exploded, the last place that River had been was at Amy's house. She couldn't have been put back in the TARDIS because until Amy brought him back, there was no Doctor/TARDIS.
RKW
Sr Member
In the words of River Song: Spoilers
A major part of the continuing story arc has already been recently revealed in this very thread
You need to have a good knowledge of the Doctors past to recognize what is happening but it's not necessary to follow and enjoy the new story arc. Moffat has a plan.
A major part of the continuing story arc has already been recently revealed in this very thread
You need to have a good knowledge of the Doctors past to recognize what is happening but it's not necessary to follow and enjoy the new story arc. Moffat has a plan.
phez
Sr Member
Did they ever explain why Amy did not know who the Daleks were when the Doctor met here. I do not remember that being covered.
River Song made a point of saying very soon "Everything Will Change" at the end of the episode. That is a clue.
I have got it!!!!! She gets hooked on earth kid crack which turns her into the the three headed vomiting beast from TorchWood Childrean of earth (same as a Jack Harkness evolves in the face of Boe sort of thing). She then kills Ianto Jones The "very good man" and goes to prison for murder and using human children for drugs thus tying the whole BBC universe together.
I am on to something here.lol
River Song made a point of saying very soon "Everything Will Change" at the end of the episode. That is a clue.
I have got it!!!!! She gets hooked on earth kid crack which turns her into the the three headed vomiting beast from TorchWood Childrean of earth (same as a Jack Harkness evolves in the face of Boe sort of thing). She then kills Ianto Jones The "very good man" and goes to prison for murder and using human children for drugs thus tying the whole BBC universe together.
I am on to something here.
lol
Deric
Sr Member
If that's driving you nuts then why did Amy not remember her parents but in the first episode of season 5, Amelia refers to her mum cutting faces on apples so she would like them.
d_jedi1
Sr Member
I assumed that she was just reacting to seeing them for the first time in their middle age.
You know, like maybe as a child she knew how they looked then (in their twenties/thirties) but she'd never (from her perspective) seen them in their forties/fifties.
Thats just my theory though so who knows.
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