New Doctor Who Series Discussion *Spoilers*

kursosawa said:
I too personally would have liked to see at least one more Evil River vs Doc. Overall this ep felt very rushed. Oh well. Here is to hoping the next few eps are going to be a heck of alot better.
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*SPOILERS*

and before I put things down, know that I do it with love and wanting the show to be the best it can be. I've been a Doctor Who fan since I was 4 years old.

I very much agree. IN GENERAL, I liked it, and I loved the stuff with Hitler in his office,...that was all great. I don't know that I support the idea of River being a "child of the TARDIS" and having regeneration abilities, just because she was conceived there/traveled through timey-wimey space stuff etc. Personally I like to preserve that ability for actual Timelords.

I was let down at the end of the last episode (before we went on break). Finding out who River was (correct me if I'm wrong) SUPPOSED to be this terrible/crushing thing to find out, like we've never heard anything so awful in all of our lives,...well we found out who she was...and everyone was really happy about it, and the Doctor exited with a prancing "tra la la!" Ummmmmm.....it was random and unfitting.

Also, the end of that episode was very similar to the Pandorica opening when everyone in the whoniverse comes back to fight. With the Pandorica....I loved it,...but doing it AGAIN?,...was pushing it. I am perfectly content dealing with the Doctor and his personal drama on a one-on-one level,...I don't ALWAYS need EVERYONE to come back to try to make an event seem bigger....and in the last episode? People came back to help the Doctor fight, but after they are re-introduced we never saw them again? WHAT WAS THAT? And that pirate and his kid? Isn't that kid stuck on a ship on life support???

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NOW we "meet" new River who has been programmed her whole life to kill the Doctor...................her whole life.............so to kill the man,...AND to save him in the same episode? That was a little too much transformation for me at once. As far as character development goes, I would have liked to of seen that progression dragged out more. I mean for Pete's sake, at least kill him and stretch his death over to the next episode so we're "not sure" if she's going to save him or not (even though we know what's going to happen).

Also, I found it weird that it was the poison on her lips that killed the Doctor, but then as she's saving him she kisses him again, not that it should kill him again,...it was just ironic. Also she used up all of her regeneration energy to bring him back to life,...from the dead...personally.....I feel like he should have regenerated, but we're obviously not ready to lose Matt. Unless you hate Matt in which case you may feel differently. I just feel like the end was just VERY FORCED and RUSHED.

I think they could sacrifice the "shock & awe" entrances for a more clean and believable storyline. Sci Fi or not.
 
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Good points made for sure.
I really have beef with how easily River went from bad to good - I said it before, it would be awesome to have a longer story arc featuring her as a villian.
 
Agreed. I'm hoping that, as we run into her again throughout this season there will be more confrontations and River-based "I'm going to kill the Doctor scenarios" to make up for this episode.

The ONLY thing I can think is that, young kids watch this who love River and may not be prepared or understand completely why someone they love is now bad, so the show might be fearful that people will start to hate River if they make her evil for too long? That's all I can guess.

All I know is,...with Matt's first season....I thought his pilot was completely weak. With scene exceptions (and Amy in that outfit) it was pretty weak....BUT...as we got to the end of the season,...almost everything I felt weird about, was explained/wrapped up in a very awesome way. So I hold on to hope with them that as uncomfortable as I may be with an episode or an idea NOW...it's all leading up to a bigger picture, which I have no doubt, will be awesome.
 
Any word on weather the "best of" specials will be included on the Blu-ray release of the 6th series? I really enjoyed watching them. Itd be great to see similar specials done featuring the old school Doctors.
 
The thing is now that River has made her "first" appearance you never know if it's new somewhat evil River or the cool loyal to the Doctor River that we have come to love. It's a good thing she has the journal.
 
timelordjedi777 said:
The thing is now that River has made her "first" appearance you never know if it's new somewhat evil River or the cool loyal to the Doctor River that we have come to love. It's a good thing she has the journal.
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That's kind of what I was thinking.

That and, it sort of felt like they were closing the book on the River Song thing. :confused In which case, it would have been a hell of a lot of build up for a pretty anti-climactic end.
 
Larry Young said:
Four words:

Silence.

In.

The.

Library.
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There's nothing at all to really show that episode having anything more to do with the cult or group known as the Silence. I just don't believe Moffat has enough foresight to have put anything in that episode to tie it all together. If he does anything, he's going to shoehorn something in retroactively and just taint what was two fantastic episodes with this lesser effort he's been involved in since Matt Smith took over the role.

I kind of liked this episode, but it really was a lot like Fear Her and a few others.
 
Larry Young said:
Four words:

Silence.

In.

The.

Library.
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Oh, I know what you're saying, but I just don't feel it. I went back and watched that two-parter after last week's episode, and other than introducing River, I see no hook to bring the show back there.

I could be 100% wrong, of course. It has been known to happen. Just don't tell anyone if I am, ok. ;)


On the subject of Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead. I got the distinct impression that the 10th Doctor, and not the 11th gave River her screwdriver. In fact, I think she outright said as much. If that's the case, my fellow Sonic watchers and I won't be seeing the 'Future Sonic' again until Tennant comes back for a multi-Doc story, if at all.
 
If I remember correctly, River said that the Doctor gave her his screwdriver but it was never said as to WHICH incarnation of the Doctor. What MIGHT be confusing is when she's examining the Doctor's eyes, saying that he's the youngest she's ever seen him. Given that we have Matt now, I have to assume, regeneration or not that there's something that remains the same in the Doctor's eyes or it continues to show age.

You're right about needing Tennant to return, and I BELIEVE he said as much. I thought there was a plan for him to make an appearance in 2013, but maybe they'll throw him into the anniversary instead.

I wondered that as well. How River's sonic was built from 10, and now we have 11 which is obviously completely different.
 
Just watched this episode last night (late, I know.. I know) and I just couldn't get "Fear Her" out of my head.

I loved the creepy dolls, but it all felt like a regurgitated plot, which made me sad.

Anyone have any comments on the preview teaser for NEXT week?! Looks bloody awesome.
Looks like we have yet another flavor of Cybermen, possibly? The very last thing we see in the trailer is a syringe, and unless my imagination is going wild, the syringe appears to be a built up version of the Cyberman logo. Maybe it was just the angle.

At any rate, looking forward to the I, Robot cameos! :lol
 
I love how this show can go from horror to Sci-Fi. This next episode looks really great! I just wish they would get this whole River story over with - only because it's driving me insane!
 
Random thought. When Rory was a plastic Roman, d'ye think he and Amy fiddled around? And would that fall under a solo category, like a big .. You know what? Nevermind. Big nevermind. :lol

We need a new story arc that doesn't focus on Amy and Rory having sex and River Song popping into their lives looking old enough to be their mother.
 
I wonder if the stories are so group centric because they are worried no one can fly solo like Daveyboy did? You know, the guy that used to have the job but got out while he was on top? BTW, for the three or four of you that didn't know 10 married the daughter of 5 and they made him a Grandfather...again.
 
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