New Doctor Who Series Discussion *Spoilers*

The Valeyard came later in the Doctors timeline so the 11th would not recognise him at all, unless if it were the same actor who played the Valeyard in Trial Of A Timelord, which is isnt. My guess is he is the true 9th incarnation of the Doctor, the one who used 'The Moment' to end the Time War wiping out The Daleks and Timelords and also sacrificing himself forcing him to regenerate into Chris Eccleston, in the set photos he is wearing the 8th Doctors velvet jacket with fob watch underneath the '9th' Doctors leather coat
 
As happened with the Name of the Doctor, where everyone was trying to guess how they were going to be able to name the doctor and still continue the show and people saying they would never watch it again, I have enough faith in Moffat that I don't think he is going to re-write already established history. He may bend it in circles, but I don't think he will completely throw it out.

Even though they listed Hurt as the Doctor, Smith was very careful to point out that even though what Hurt had done was in the name of peace, it wasn't in the name of the Doctor. So, I'm guessing something very weird is going on there and we are going to go nuts for the next 6 months trying to figure it out.
 
I don't know where this thought that Hurt could be the Valeyard is coming from, anyway.

Also, how come no WhisperMen/ Silents brawl. That would have been fantastic to see the Silents come back as something of an heroic force.
 
JBReplicas said:
The Valeyard came later in the Doctors timeline so the 11th would not recognise him at all, unless if it were the same actor who played the Valeyard in Trial Of A Timelord, which is isnt. My guess is he is the true 9th incarnation of the Doctor, the one who used 'The Moment' to end the Time War wiping out The Daleks and Timelords and also sacrificing himself forcing him to regenerate into Chris Eccleston, in the set photos he is wearing the 8th Doctors velvet jacket with fob watch underneath the '9th' Doctors leather coat
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I'm calling him 8.5 for just that reason. I mean, they couldn't have been any more obvious about why he didn't get to have the name of Doctor. Especially with Clara finding the book about the Time War. Which is why all the references to 10 and 11 and every series of flashback pictures are still safe. It also wraps up everything involving Eccleston fairly nicely, since he refuses to return.

I hated the front half of this season. Too many plot holes in too many episodes, and too many logical fallacies in the goodbye to Amy and Rory. And while I loved Clara and the Victorian trio in the back half, I thought the Doctor was acting really weird and was starting to hate 11 a bit. But this episode at least repaired my opinions on the back half, not counting the magic screwdriver and whatever happened to the time stream in Journey to the Center of the TARDIS. I'm officially excited again for Doctor Who.
 
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Well, I wonder if he could be the 8.5th Doctor. Maybe the 8th Doctor got hit by a Daleky potatoe gun or something and began to regenerate, but the Time Lords stopped it mid-stream and this guy is the resulting incarnation. They then used him to destroy the Daleks, but the only way to do that was to destroy both parties. Then with the Time Lords gone, he completes his regeneration into Eccleston, which is why he did not know what he now looked like in "Rose" when he passed the mirror. Which means that since it was a 'mid-regeneration' it does not count and Eccleston was still the 9th and this guy only exists in the Doctor stream.

That or he is an amalgamation of all previous incarnations of the Doctor brought about to fight the Time War and only existed for that purpose, and so again, is not a 'true' regenrative count.

We all know that Moffat loves the 'Big Promises' which turn out to be not such a big deal after all. My guess is that he wants us talking about this for the next 6 months, just to tell us, "Don't worry, Matt is still the 11th Doctor!"

I just wish that if this is going to touch on the Time War, then RTD should have been included on the 50th. I mean, he did bring it back for us!

What do you want to bet that after this, the Time Lords will exist again?
 
I hope they do exist again.

The daleks came back from the time war, why not the timelords. I'd love to see more Gallifray as well. Wasn't nearly enough in the classic series.

A question, though, on 'doctors' in the timestream. Was the implication there that 11 is it? I say that because if he's really dead and buried there, should there not be a minimum of 2 doctors in there he and clara do not recognize? That was present day clara, not one of the millions split out into the timestream. Should have been a number of silohetted doctors that they and we have not seen yet.
 
I am already sick of Clara. Her 'big reveal' of who she was did not impres me at all. And the fact that she's 'been around' through all of the Doctor's lives is rubbish! Why did he not remember her all those 'other times' from his first incarnation forward when he met her in Victorian London?

It was ill concieved and poorly executed! It was done for the sake of having killed her twice before she began to travel with him.

And with the Hurt Doctor, I am even less excited for the 50th than I was before. I really hope to come back to this thread in 6 months and eat crow, telling everyone how wrong I was to have doubted Moffat! I really hope I will......
 
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Don't know if it's real or not but here it is.
 
Just watched the Trial of a Timelord arc again.

It sets everything up very well to continue the series (The evil doctor is even offered additional regeneration's potentially solving the last regeneration problem) .

The Timelords were starting to become corrupt and had some internal political problems at that point. There was no president at the time so I wonder if the Valyard (Doctor) took over and started the Time War with the Daleks. A lot of the creatures that the Doctor ran into in every series seemed to blame him directly for the Time War.

Maybe Doctor 8 or 9 locked that version of himself in the time lock and that is why he did not show up to Clara. The women with her eyes covered in the "End of Time" may have been the judge from the trial who was on the losing side of the coup when the Valyard took over.
 
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NakedMoleRat said:
I am already sick of Clara. Her 'big reveal' of who she was did not impres me at all. And the fact that she's 'been around' through all of the Doctor's lives is rubbish! Why did he not remember her all those 'other times' from his first incarnation forward when he met her in Victorian London?

It was ill concieved and poorly executed! It was done for the sake of having killed her twice before she began to travel with him.
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It wasn't meant to say that she has been throughout the Doctor's history since the show started. Everything has transpired just as before. It was that in that one moment, the GI went into the time-line & caused the Doctor to be defeated at EVERY moment in his life by changing something, whether it be a decision, choice, action or whatever. All Clara did was to go back a moment later & fix everything.

He didn't remember her because he hadn't seen her. I know that she had the one conversation at the TARDIS repair yard, but the GI had been throughout the Doctor's life also, & because of what was happening, the Doctor didn't even remember him from the times he had actually faced him. She even said that the Doctor never even saw her until the Victorian Snowman episode.

I guess we see now how the GI was insuring the Doctor's defeat by having the Doctor give him the plans to the London Underground & actually state to him that it was a key weak point.

I just don't think one can make the inference that she's been inserted into the Doctor's time-line anymore than one could say that the GI has been the Doctor's one & only enemy since he left Gallifrey.
 
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