New Doctor Who Series Discussion *Spoilers*
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Xxblackbird
Sr Member
I have it!
Clara is the time-displaced daughter of Rose and the Pete's-World-Doctor.
Pete's World is actually the "evil" universe from the classic episode "Inferno." In that episode, the Brigadier wears an eyepatch and the Doctor pretty much wrecks the place and leaves the planet burning.
The Silence are UNIT from the Inferno universe, come to ours to take revenge!
Clara is the blood tether to Rose and the other Doctor (who now have a Tardis) and they are trying to cross to the regular universe to find her and stop the Silence!
Booyakasha!
Or not? Maybe? Kinda?
Eh...
Is there an official Gallifreyan font or translator? Does anyone know what's written on the spinning pillar on the new console? Or more importantly what's on the Doctor's crib?
Clara is the time-displaced daughter of Rose and the Pete's-World-Doctor.
Pete's World is actually the "evil" universe from the classic episode "Inferno." In that episode, the Brigadier wears an eyepatch and the Doctor pretty much wrecks the place and leaves the planet burning.
The Silence are UNIT from the Inferno universe, come to ours to take revenge!
Clara is the blood tether to Rose and the other Doctor (who now have a Tardis) and they are trying to cross to the regular universe to find her and stop the Silence!
Booyakasha!
Or not? Maybe? Kinda?
Eh...
Is there an official Gallifreyan font or translator? Does anyone know what's written on the spinning pillar on the new console? Or more importantly what's on the Doctor's crib?
TheDoctor
Sr Member
Yeah, I figured that was just the Tardis being cheeky, but I think the Tardis and Clara have come to a good point (not to say there might not be tension. I have to admit, it did slightly bother me that the Tardis is more alive for Clara than any other companion (with the possible exception of "she who shall not be named" in that single season finale episode).
Agreed! Unlike other build-ups, this one is far more interesting to me! And, thus far, it's been much better than the previous season!
Goodwolf
Sr Member
I read somewhere that the symbols on the pillar were the names of past companions. The name of the crib is supposed to be the Doctor's name in Gallifreyan.
Xxblackbird
Sr Member
Yeah I've heard that too. And if we have an official font or a key to decipher it, we can figure out the Dcotor's name.
Plus I want to etch some stuff with the Gallifrey font and I want to use the "real" one...
So has anyone seen this?
****PICTURE SPOILERS FOR THE 50th****
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae69/GiantSlor/john-hurt-doctor-who-50th-filming_zps0a2abdba.jpg
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae69/GiantSlor/tumblr_mlf5m6gQue1qbp5jzo1_500_zps5063f1d5.jpg
****TEXT SPOILERS FOR THE 50TH****
The big rumor is that the 8th Doctor wasn't the one to end the Time War. And that there has been another Doctor that we didn't know about.
Which makes Matt Smith the 12th Doctor.
Plus I want to etch some stuff with the Gallifrey font and I want to use the "real" one...
So has anyone seen this?
****PICTURE SPOILERS FOR THE 50th****
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae69/GiantSlor/john-hurt-doctor-who-50th-filming_zps0a2abdba.jpg
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae69/GiantSlor/tumblr_mlf5m6gQue1qbp5jzo1_500_zps5063f1d5.jpg
****TEXT SPOILERS FOR THE 50TH****
The big rumor is that the 8th Doctor wasn't the one to end the Time War. And that there has been another Doctor that we didn't know about.
Which makes Matt Smith the 12th Doctor.
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d_jedi1
Sr Member
"Which makes Matt Smith the 12th Doctor. Which means he's out of regenerations."
Technically, he'd still have one and around that time, the Valeyard would come into play.
IF that story pans out.
It's also possible that him ending the Time-War (or one of a million other possibilities) caused him to fracture somehow. One became Eccleston, one became Hurt.
The Jacket would/could still be indicative of the Ninth BUT an alternate ninth.
Or the jacket could be meaningless happenstance that we're reading into. Perhaps he's completely human? Another Gallifreyan? Who knows?
Technically, he'd still have one and around that time, the Valeyard would come into play.
IF that story pans out.
It's also possible that him ending the Time-War (or one of a million other possibilities) caused him to fracture somehow. One became Eccleston, one became Hurt.
The Jacket would/could still be indicative of the Ninth BUT an alternate ninth.
Or the jacket could be meaningless happenstance that we're reading into. Perhaps he's completely human? Another Gallifreyan? Who knows?
greatwazoo42
Master Member
I doubt it. That would mean when Smith's time is done we'd only have one more incarnation after and not two (12 regenerations means 13 incarnations) and I seriously doubt BBC Wales wants to slaughter their cash cow like that. That and we have leiderhosen, pitch forks and torches ready for when they do.
Well...they still have to reconcile Smith pointing to himself & saying "Eleventh" in The Lodger.
Xxblackbird
Sr Member
There's no chance they'd kill him for good. Unless they try to replace the Doctor with a new Doctor-like character, which I could see. Their attempt to start fresh without rebooting the universe.
Supposedly an inside source said William Hurt was playing the "Time War" Doctor a good amount of time before this image leaked online. And he's supposed to be a "reliable" source who has leaked Doctor Who spoilers in the past. I don't know anything about the source so he could be reliable or completely full of it.
I can see where / how it would work.
It seems more likely to me that he would be an entirely different character or an aged version of the Doctor.
He could be the 8th Doctor after fighting in the Time War for a few hundred years.
Or he could be the metacrisis "hand" Doctor from the parallel universe. That version of the Doctor was already wearing the 9th Doctor's shirt, and 10 said he had the personality of the 9th Doctor. And they made special reference to him aging at a normal rate. So maybe this is him after picking up a U-boat captain jacket and traveling the universe for a few decades or so.
Supposedly an inside source said William Hurt was playing the "Time War" Doctor a good amount of time before this image leaked online. And he's supposed to be a "reliable" source who has leaked Doctor Who spoilers in the past. I don't know anything about the source so he could be reliable or completely full of it.
I can see where / how it would work.
It seems more likely to me that he would be an entirely different character or an aged version of the Doctor.
He could be the 8th Doctor after fighting in the Time War for a few hundred years.
Or he could be the metacrisis "hand" Doctor from the parallel universe. That version of the Doctor was already wearing the 9th Doctor's shirt, and 10 said he had the personality of the 9th Doctor. And they made special reference to him aging at a normal rate. So maybe this is him after picking up a U-boat captain jacket and traveling the universe for a few decades or so.
They gave themselves a huge loophole already.
River revived the Doctor when she killed him. So, he could potentially have additional regenerations if they wanted him to.
TheDoctor
Sr Member
Not that they NEED a loophole - all they have to do is say "badda bing, badda boom - magic and now he has TONS of regenerations!"
TheDoctor
Sr Member
Yeah, adding to the voice that the math is off - he'd still have at least one more.
My guess? It's an alternate potential future where Doctor 9 continues to grow old and never becomes 10 or 11 - a result of some kind of monster or alien feeding on potential.
Xxblackbird
Sr Member
Ok. 12 regenerations. 13 lives. Got it. For some reason I thought it was 12 lives. I think after the third person has pointed it out, it's understood. :rolleyes
I'd find a Valeyard-type scenario where the Doctor is trying to learn how to give himself new regenerations very fascinating. The Doctor often shows his dark side so it would be neat to see him actually slip into full-fledged villainy for a short time.
I could even see that as an opportunity to "reboot' the franchise. Have the hero become the villain and a new main character emerge from it. You can keep the universe and a lot of things that fans like about it but have a new main character. It's basically a new character every time anyway.
I'd find a Valeyard-type scenario where the Doctor is trying to learn how to give himself new regenerations very fascinating. The Doctor often shows his dark side so it would be neat to see him actually slip into full-fledged villainy for a short time.
I could even see that as an opportunity to "reboot' the franchise. Have the hero become the villain and a new main character emerge from it. You can keep the universe and a lot of things that fans like about it but have a new main character. It's basically a new character every time anyway.
Xxblackbird
Sr Member
I've often thought about that too.
He said he used the regeneration energy to heal but siphoned the rest to the hand. He didn't give the energy time to finish the regeneration.
You can take this to mean that he stopped it before he changed his appearance, and it still counts as a regeneration. Or you could say he stopped it halfway through so it doesn't count.
I credit the younger Smith Doctor as a product of his diminished regeneration energy.
And I'd still call Smith the 11th Doctor (not counting the potential Hurt Doctor). He'd still be the 11th incarnation (unique appearance and personality), regardless of what regeneration he is.
He said he used the regeneration energy to heal but siphoned the rest to the hand. He didn't give the energy time to finish the regeneration.
You can take this to mean that he stopped it before he changed his appearance, and it still counts as a regeneration. Or you could say he stopped it halfway through so it doesn't count.
I credit the younger Smith Doctor as a product of his diminished regeneration energy.
And I'd still call Smith the 11th Doctor (not counting the potential Hurt Doctor). He'd still be the 11th incarnation (unique appearance and personality), regardless of what regeneration he is.
Goodwolf
Sr Member
I seem to recall that the High Poobas of Gallifrey could allow more regenerations as well. But yeah, all the writers have to do is say wibbley wobbley hey presto.
greatwazoo42
Master Member
Well, The Master is up to something around his 140th incarnation so why can't The Doctor have a few extras? Afterall, Gallifrey is gone so who's going to blow the whistle and cry foul if the Universe decides to not let him stop running up and down similar looking hallways from rubber suit looking monsters?
cboath
Master Member
Could be a plot in and of itself. 13 is dying and preparing for the end and then all of a sudden regenerates instead of dying then looking odd and saying "Well I certainly didn't expect this or something" and poof, gone for 8 months til the next season premiers. 
How exactly will 12 be able to be the valeyard consiered Gallifrey is gone and the current doctor's can't go back to it since it's timelocked? Planets gone - no access, period. Only way would be to remove the time-lock and let the timelords loose.
How exactly will 12 be able to be the valeyard consiered Gallifrey is gone and the current doctor's can't go back to it since it's timelocked? Planets gone - no access, period. Only way would be to remove the time-lock and let the timelords loose.
Xxblackbird
Sr Member
I don't think the trial was on Gallifrey, was it? I seem to remember it being on some big, hokey looking ship.
The Doctor apparently can encounter other Time Lords through history (as shown by his eagerness to meet with the Corsair and others, plus his encounters with the Master). And though it can cause problems with the time stream, he's capable of encountering past versions of himself (as seen in the Big Bang). I'm willing to bet the Valeyard thing is completely ignored, though.
From what I understand, the regenerations are a product of billions of years of exposure to the time vortex. The High Council had the ability to tap into that energy and transfer it to other Time Lords if they wanted to.
I'm not sure the Doctor knows how to do that. He would have probably given it to River if he could (knowing she sacrificed her remaining regenerations for him and knowing she was going to die in the Library).
The Doctor apparently can encounter other Time Lords through history (as shown by his eagerness to meet with the Corsair and others, plus his encounters with the Master). And though it can cause problems with the time stream, he's capable of encountering past versions of himself (as seen in the Big Bang). I'm willing to bet the Valeyard thing is completely ignored, though.
From what I understand, the regenerations are a product of billions of years of exposure to the time vortex. The High Council had the ability to tap into that energy and transfer it to other Time Lords if they wanted to.
I'm not sure the Doctor knows how to do that. He would have probably given it to River if he could (knowing she sacrificed her remaining regenerations for him and knowing she was going to die in the Library).
timelordjedi777
Sr Member
Well the Valeyard is a villain so maybe that's just what he would do.
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