New Doctor Who Series Discussion *Spoilers*
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We already know his name. John Smithlol
:lol You got me there!
That's still one of the things that I find odd about this whole "Doctor Who?" story arc. It's like they're hitting us over the head with a question we've always had, always wondered about and yet will not get any answer to.
I almost think this choice of storyline is because 1) it's approaching the 50th anniversary and 2) the newfound appeal overseas means they're attempting a sort of reboot of the character while maintaining the continuity so that it will appeal to a wider fan base overseas that havn't been all that aware of the show before now.
I almost think the second reason was a stronger impetus for the creation of this arc.
I almost think this choice of storyline is because 1) it's approaching the 50th anniversary and 2) the newfound appeal overseas means they're attempting a sort of reboot of the character while maintaining the continuity so that it will appeal to a wider fan base overseas that havn't been all that aware of the show before now.
I almost think the second reason was a stronger impetus for the creation of this arc.
To be completely honest I don't think I've ever honestly wondered what his real name is. He's the Doctor and that's always been good enough for me. :thumbsup
Perhaps, I think though that was what they did in 2005 with Eccleston so it doesn't really make sense to reboot again only 7 years later. For new comers to the show they can easily do back and watch seven 13 episode seasons...
Hmm. That's true. But there are a lot of really lazy viewers out there who just can't be bothered to go back and see why certain plot points or old rivalries exist. With things like the Dalek reset it really does feel like a huge reboot to the basic storyline. Of course this could just be the Moff's personal annoyance with how big the character has gotten in-universe.
side note: I wonder if the waving Rory and Amy on the hill in the Hungry Earth will be referenced before they depart. Doubt it though.
side note: I wonder if the waving Rory and Amy on the hill in the Hungry Earth will be referenced before they depart. Doubt it though.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
It's sort of like the character of Guinan on Star Trel TNG. When she was enigmatic is was awesome, when she was revealed to be an El-orian in the Generations movie, all the majic was just lost...
I think it's more the latter. They had taken that Dalek storyline about as far as it would go.
Doubt it.
timelordjedi777
Sr Member
You got it right.
Thirded. Loved this show since the mid 70's and his name or identity have never been on my mind. Nor is it now, really.
Showtunes
Member
I've noticed a lot of complaints about how things just don't make sense with the series anymore and I guess I have an opinion there. This is coming from a place of relative ignorance being as I just discovered Doctor Who late in my summer break and what with school and work and service work and school and basic human needs I have only seen series 5 through now. But...
I consider myself a member of the human race and although I don't know how long we've existed, it seems like a long time in comparison to my 17 years. If it has taken us this long to get absolutely no where in the subject of time travel, millions of years filled with people a hell of a lot smarter than me, than why would I understand it? I know this can become an excuse for writers, the "well we've already made it possible to travel anywhere in space and time so why not..." deal. But it all making sense in the classic Who (maybe this isn't the message being sent but often it's the one I'm receiving) just doesn't add up. I understand change is difficult and when things start changing from what I'm used to I'll B&^%# and moan for all it's worth. But (I use that word too much, don't I?) if you're going to accept the premise of time travel, something a lot of humans consider the definition of impossible, than you should understand that you're not always going to understand.
Speaking of finding change difficult, I'm really sad Amy is leaving. I consider myself pretty much 100% gay, for certain when it comes to the 11th Doctor, but I had a kind of novelty attraction to Amy. And now the time is coming near to return to my regularly programmed homosexuality and I guess I enjoyed being a little bit bisexual. I'm pretty certain I'll like the new companion but I'm going to drag my feet and throw a temper tantrum anyway. Because that has got to be the best way to deal with change. *rolls eyes*
I consider myself a member of the human race and although I don't know how long we've existed, it seems like a long time in comparison to my 17 years. If it has taken us this long to get absolutely no where in the subject of time travel, millions of years filled with people a hell of a lot smarter than me, than why would I understand it? I know this can become an excuse for writers, the "well we've already made it possible to travel anywhere in space and time so why not..." deal. But it all making sense in the classic Who (maybe this isn't the message being sent but often it's the one I'm receiving) just doesn't add up. I understand change is difficult and when things start changing from what I'm used to I'll B&^%# and moan for all it's worth. But (I use that word too much, don't I?) if you're going to accept the premise of time travel, something a lot of humans consider the definition of impossible, than you should understand that you're not always going to understand.
Speaking of finding change difficult, I'm really sad Amy is leaving. I consider myself pretty much 100% gay, for certain when it comes to the 11th Doctor, but I had a kind of novelty attraction to Amy. And now the time is coming near to return to my regularly programmed homosexuality and I guess I enjoyed being a little bit bisexual. I'm pretty certain I'll like the new companion but I'm going to drag my feet and throw a temper tantrum anyway. Because that has got to be the best way to deal with change. *rolls eyes*
TheDoctor
Sr Member
There's a difference between not understanding a certain plot because of weird Time Travel and finding all kinds of plot holes (not necessarily dealing with time travel).
Personally, when it comes to Who, I'm more a follower of the MST line of thinking ("repeat to your self 'it's just a show, so I should really just relax"). If they have to shoot the occasional canon element in the foot to support a good story, then so be it. After all, I'm not watching a historical epic of a real person.
Having said that, there are some lazy/bad writing sequences that just make me cringe - especially if it's a bad story. I don't mind "timey wimpy" in a story like The Weeping Angels, but in a story like the "Goo People" (from last season) a "just go with it" explanation doesn't fly.
JBReplicas
Master Member
I thought the flesh as an idea was up there with one of the best of new who, I was more disappointed by the silence, and left with many more questions than answers, but thats just me
Definitely one of the most original ideas they've brought to the new show. But still based on a very simple, familiar idea.
TheDoctor
Sr Member
Where do I begin?
By itself, the Flesh wasn't all that interesting of an idea - it's the same as androids, holograms, or anything else wanting the same rights as real people. Yawn. This was somewhat different, but not by a lot (think clones, replicants, etc.).
The story itself was pretty boring. Chasing through the castle, trying to figure out who was whom. This concept would have been boring in a single episode, let alone a two-parter. Maybe if they left some mystery to the audience, but we always knew what was going on and we always had to wait 20 minutes for the characters to catch up to what we already knew.
Here's another thing: The reason The Flesh was sentient was because of remaining neural imprints (or some such thing). It would have been MUCH better if both versions came out with a part of the whole personality - then they couldn't kill the other because "the other one" had part of their self (one part has the memory, but the other has the skills and empathy or something). How they explained how/why The Flesh was active was pretty lame.
Let's talk characters. They wanted us to feel sorry for The Flesh. Did I? No. None of the characters (human or Flesh) had me rooting for them. They were all pretty lame. The only bit I was looking forward to was the "Duel Doctors" but they even screwed that up. About the only interesting bit of the whole episode was Amy's prejudice agains "The Flesh Doctor" (but, again, it felt forced and contrary to Amy's Character).
Finally, let's talk about the reveal: Flesh Amy. The entire episode was a setup to a reveal that took no one by surprise. Not only didn't it take anyone by surprise, it didn't make any sense, it wasn't clever, it felt tacked on, and worst of all, they took two episodes to set it up (and they used it again with Baby River).
Personally, I count this two-parter among the worst of the "new-Who".
Speak for yourself man!!! :lol
I didn't think the Flesh two parter was that bad but it certainly wasn't great and the whole Amy thing did feel tacked on. As a matter of fact last season on a whole was pretty weak IMO.
I too was very disappointed with the Silence. So much potential there wasted. They were a cool concept.
JBReplicas
Master Member
Am I wrong or did they also not tie it in to the crashed Silence spacecraft in 'the Lodger'
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