My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET **FINISHED! see post #207

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damn nice, Gino...

allthough I'm more of a "vader" man...
these pics are changing my perspective...

way to go... can't wait to see more pics....
 
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You say that you are not for sharpening as that is altering the moulds and thus losing authenticity of the original piece. Then you say it's alright to emit certain details? This is a complete contradiction in terms. Emitting details is altering moulds!
The kink issue is plain and simple. It is on the moulds and obviously the emitted from previous versions using all Ginos unaltered moulds. :rolleyes.
Some of you will believe what you are told but what is present on the original should and will be present on the moulds taken from the original. If it's not then the moulds have been altered. Simples.
I have said this before that the kink may well have been an assembly issue on the originals. Alot of helmets do have this kink and both ABS & HDPE have it. BUT the mould from an original with the kink will have it and anything pulled from that mould will have it to, regardless of assembly.

Its an important distinction to be sure. As the masters share a direct lineage to the inside of a specific helmet, well, this is what really what you're paying for. Why make any changes when its already as good as it gets.

BUT what is the goal of this project? Easy. Provide the most accurate stunt helmet ever made from a similar color HDPE. Folks can then build their own stunts to their liking.

RE: Molds didn't touch the inside of a read helmet. Who cares. Anyone vaguely familiar with any production knows you need backups. A no shrink copy... I'll take it... because its the same thing.

I think there is an inconsistency here as the V3 doing two things at once. It is simultaneously a replica of a specific helmet, and the most accurate starting point for any stunt bucket.

If the goal of the project was to bring us the most accurate helmet to date; Mission accomplished. BUT as it is a replica from specific screen used helmet... there is no room for improvement. I can definitely see why someone would have a problem with improving the vocoder area.

If this HDPE offering is meant to represent all Stunt helmets, then there is room for more improvements. Again the vocoder area is a great example. Obviously the source helmet left out some of those details. To me this mod is desireable... as I'd like to have a helmet that represents the 'best of' stunt pulls. If you could go back in time and build one of these at the factory you'd probably select a better pull, right?

Not everyone's goal is to replicate a specific helmet. Gino may not give a damn wether your building a replica of THE helmet the masters originate from or just one to your liking. Still, the best so far and you coudln't do better.

Where are those pics?
 
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You say that you are not for sharpening as that is altering the moulds and thus losing authenticity of the original piece. Then you say it's alright to emit certain details? This is a complete contradiction in terms. Emitting details is altering moulds!
The kink issue is plain and simple. It is on the moulds and obviously the emitted from previous versions using all Ginos unaltered moulds. :rolleyes.
Some of you will believe what you are told but what is present on the original should and will be present on the moulds taken from the original. If it's not then the moulds have been altered. Simples.
I have said this before that the kink may well have been an assembly issue on the originals. Alot of helmets do have this kink and both ABS & HDPE have it. BUT the mould from an original with the kink will have it and anything pulled from that mould will have it to, regardless of assembly.

As I said I am not for modifying the moulds. My point was that if modifications are going to be done anyway and if i had my choice, I'd rather have a detail left out (ie the tear bumps) than have sharpening done all over the helmet. At least that way I know what was changed. If you start sharpening everything the helmet becomes very idealized. There are two different kinds of modification: altering and omitting. Of course it is not an ideal situation having anything modified. Of course, in a perfect world we would not want anything modified. But let's be realistic, in the real world that is not going to happen. No maker is going to offer castings off of an unaltered mould from an original helmet. I do believe however, that the onus is one the maker to inform buyers what details are being left out if any. In this case Gino has said that the tear detail would not be there. As far as the kink, that needs to be further scrutinized, let's see some more pictures first.

As someone mentioned earlier, it would be a good idea to offer an 'idealized' version of the helmet (Sharpened details, vocoder etc, smooth cap n' back) and an untouched version (bumpy cap, kink, w/ tear bumps removed). The untouched version could have all the original detail, bumps etc w/ one detail removed such as the tear bumps. If a detail is going to be left out of the untouched version I 'd prefer the tear bumps personally because after painting I don't think you would notice them much anyway.
 
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Sorry about not getting to pics. Lame, I know.
But.
I am in the process of getting one fully assembled and trying to hurry it along.

PS, I would be fine with seeing a smooth cap HDPE.
 
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Well if I'm going to be quoted twice like that I guess I'll go on record...

Take your time, don't rush. Want to see it done up right.
 
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I did however feel like you were trying to put me through the ringer even though I thought I had explained that point super clearly several times.
Naw, I'm not part of any Wringer Brigade, I'm wholly autonomous here.


Although frustrating, I figured it would be just better to make light of it.
That's why I feel that there's no need for apologies, because I was simply playing along as well.

I honestly believe that that was/is you intention all along, because there is no way that you can say things like ....

The V2 is the most accurate. The V3 is even more so. Pretty straightforward.
You freely admit...
I've never sculpted on any of the three busts we worked on together....I never claimed to have sculpted them.
...and then state....

Let's be frank here for a moment....and felt their success as an ensemble overshadowed OUR busts (ie your contribution) as individual items.
All I received from you were raw untrimmed castings of OUR busts and turned them into what you see on my site.
It is apparent to me and everyone else reading this that the crux of your problem with me is because in the end, my completed displays overshadow OUR busts.
...with a straight face.
There's no way that you can honestly be serious and say these things with a straight face...no way.

I get the schtick.
It's actually pretty funny.

You can get away with acting the way you do and treating people the way you do, because of the inherent disposition, passivity and loyalty of your Fan Boys.

Again, there's no reason to apologize, Gino, just keep doing what you're doing.

It's like the virtual equivalent of..."Hey, what's on your shirt?" and then flicking their nose when they look down at your finger, over and over and over again.

Even though I don't condone taking advantage of someone's gullibility or inexperience, it's still funny to watch when you do it. ;)
 
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I've got to say Gino, that is simply amazing.
I wish i could own one of your fine helmets as the level of detail is astounding.
Can't wait to see more pictures.
 
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I appreciate the kind words and support. :thumbsup
Ok guys. Got an assembled helmet.
Going to snap some pics and post them in a few but can't paint it today because it's storming outside. :cry


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Not trolling. Setting things right.
Read my post.You´ll find out what I don´t like, he did.
No Jorg, you saying people need to crawl and beg Gino to post pics IS trolling. It's almost as bad as you talking about this movie, how soon it will come to YouTube and then to pull the plug and say it isn't going to happen any time soon. So, how are the two different? Gino did not post pics when he said he would. You have not let the masses see your "movie". They seem pretty similar.

Talk about pots and kettles.
 
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