My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET **FINISHED! see post #207
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Davy Jones
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Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
Yes please.
Yes please.
Amish Trooper
Master Member
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
No it isn't a material issue this is strictly a mold issue. Here is Gino's argument that it is a assembly issue.http://www.therpf.com/f9/stormtrooper-mold-story-just-propaganda-78396/index2.html
Certain people here want to say we are acting childish. Why? Because we are asking questions. Pointing out differences and when a person touts that this is the most accurate and then comes out with another product saying nope this the most accurate it. I would think with the caliber of members a purist on this board that you would expect questions and criticism. There is no straying from what this thread is about and that is the helmet itself and the inconsistency of the details.
No it isn't a material issue this is strictly a mold issue. Here is Gino's argument that it is a assembly issue.http://www.therpf.com/f9/stormtrooper-mold-story-just-propaganda-78396/index2.html
Certain people here want to say we are acting childish. Why? Because we are asking questions. Pointing out differences and when a person touts that this is the most accurate and then comes out with another product saying nope this the most accurate it. I would think with the caliber of members a purist on this board that you would expect questions and criticism. There is no straying from what this thread is about and that is the helmet itself and the inconsistency of the details.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
So, here is my question to you. Have you ever did any pulling of ABS and HDPE? If so, you can speak to if it is a pulling issue. I have not, which is why I've asked here. I could be wrong, but isn't HDPE a thicker material?
GINO
Sr Member
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
What about this is difficult to understand?
No one makes a more accurate helmet than my V2.
The V3 is more accurate than the V2.
Some people will like the V2 better because it meets a certain balance of accurate/idealized that they are comfortable with. IE no paint flakes etc...
Some people will like the V3 better because it goes much further in terms of accuracy.
What about this is difficult to understand?
No one makes a more accurate helmet than my V2.
The V3 is more accurate than the V2.
Some people will like the V2 better because it meets a certain balance of accurate/idealized that they are comfortable with. IE no paint flakes etc...
Some people will like the V3 better because it goes much further in terms of accuracy.
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
But that's not what you said, Gino.
You clearly stated the the V2 is the most accurate and that the V3 is simultaneously the most accurate.
It doesn't work like that, Physics and the space/time continuum will not allow it.
You can't have it both ways, Reality won't let you.
But that's not what you said, Gino.
You clearly stated the the V2 is the most accurate and that the V3 is simultaneously the most accurate.
It doesn't work like that, Physics and the space/time continuum will not allow it.
You can't have it both ways, Reality won't let you.
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
Too bad this is a Star Wars props and not a Star Trek prop. If it was Star Trek, time and continuity would mean nothing and both could be true at the same time!
It doesn't work like that, Physics and the space/time continuum will not allow it.
You can't have it both ways, Reality won't let you.
Too bad this is a Star Wars props and not a Star Trek prop. If it was Star Trek, time and continuity would mean nothing and both could be true at the same time!
GINO
Sr Member
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
Are you still really having trouble understanding what I'm trying to say?
1. I believe the V3 is the most accurate trooper helmet replica ever created. It's even more accurate than the V2.
2. I believe he V2 is the most accurate helmet out there when compared to what other people make.
So in other words, if there was a list of the most accurate helmets out there, I believe the V3 would be at the top of the list, the V2 would be the second, then followed by all the other recasts in their respective order.
If the V3 left the train station at 10:15am going 90mph....
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Are you still really having trouble understanding what I'm trying to say?
1. I believe the V3 is the most accurate trooper helmet replica ever created. It's even more accurate than the V2.
2. I believe he V2 is the most accurate helmet out there when compared to what other people make.
So in other words, if there was a list of the most accurate helmets out there, I believe the V3 would be at the top of the list, the V2 would be the second, then followed by all the other recasts in their respective order.
If the V3 left the train station at 10:15am going 90mph....
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ArtisanProps
Sr Member
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
I know exactly what you're saying, but more importantly, I know WHY you're saying it.
I'm also aware of why you are trying to justify your illogical declaration by attempting to switch the burden of proof, simply because I brought attention to your intentionally flawed assertion.
I have a question though, Gino...
Where does this pompous, condescension stem from?
Why do you project such arrogance?...I mean, your helmets are just a Photocopies. :rolleyes
No, not at all, Gino.
I know exactly what you're saying, but more importantly, I know WHY you're saying it.
I'm also aware of why you are trying to justify your illogical declaration by attempting to switch the burden of proof, simply because I brought attention to your intentionally flawed assertion.
I have a question though, Gino...
Where does this pompous, condescension stem from?
Why do you project such arrogance?...I mean, your helmets are just a Photocopies. :rolleyes
GINO
Sr Member
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
Honestly, I did not mean to come off sounding condescending so apologies if that was the case.
I did however feel like you were trying to put me through the ringer even though I thought I had explained that point super clearly several times.
Although frustrating, I figured it would be just better to make light of it.
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Honestly, I did not mean to come off sounding condescending so apologies if that was the case.
I did however feel like you were trying to put me through the ringer even though I thought I had explained that point super clearly several times.
Although frustrating, I figured it would be just better to make light of it.
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Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
I'm interested in the process as well. Gino probably wants you to do some work yourself. Work, as in rereading old threads. Its what I've been doing so I don't look like a total clown when I post in this thread.
As mentioned, there's nothing better. But I'd still like to know if mods can be made to the face, for the sake of accuracy, why not the back/cap? And I do love those vocoder mods. Why not mod the back/cap for some sharpness/depth too. Art's post on the subject seems to indicate that its been done, and resulted in lines that are too sharp. If anyone can do it right, its Gino.
Anyhow, its a brilliant project. Personally I'd like to know more about how the color was matched. Sure you can barely see the tear detail after painting... less so if youre going for a Sandtrooper... but just leave it on there. Please?
I'm a clown anyway. Like I said, still saving.
I'm interested in the process as well. Gino probably wants you to do some work yourself. Work, as in rereading old threads. Its what I've been doing so I don't look like a total clown when I post in this thread.
As mentioned, there's nothing better. But I'd still like to know if mods can be made to the face, for the sake of accuracy, why not the back/cap? And I do love those vocoder mods. Why not mod the back/cap for some sharpness/depth too. Art's post on the subject seems to indicate that its been done, and resulted in lines that are too sharp. If anyone can do it right, its Gino.
Anyhow, its a brilliant project. Personally I'd like to know more about how the color was matched. Sure you can barely see the tear detail after painting... less so if youre going for a Sandtrooper... but just leave it on there. Please?
I'm a clown anyway. Like I said, still saving.
Trap Joe
Sr Member
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
...That´s better. But I hope you meant your statement in terms of ANH/ESB Stormtrooper helmets. This is a direct offense against all the other excellent Sormtrooper helmet makers (you may not know!) You know how to sell yourself, Mr Worldbest!
...That´s better. But I hope you meant your statement in terms of ANH/ESB Stormtrooper helmets. This is a direct offense against all the other excellent Sormtrooper helmet makers (you may not know!) You know how to sell yourself, Mr Worldbest!
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
I am not for messing with the moulds. If you are going to start sharpening things here and there it seems to me to defeat the purpose of having an accurate helmet from an unaltered mould. When you start sharpening it, it requires a certain amount of 'artistic license' and if you have nothing to go from in my view ruins the authenticity of the piece. That is not to say Gino is not capable of doing alterations, just that it is still an 'interpretation' of how it actually was.
In this case it seems like more of a situation where details have been left out rather than altered. Which is OK to a point and if you are letting people know what details you are leaving out. Gino has been upfront and told us that the tear bumps will be omitted on the V3. In the case of the dent on the cheek tube I don't know, lets see some more pics of a helmet without the baggy eyes, painted and unpainted.
I too, also would like to know more on how the HDPE colour was matched.
I am not for messing with the moulds. If you are going to start sharpening things here and there it seems to me to defeat the purpose of having an accurate helmet from an unaltered mould. When you start sharpening it, it requires a certain amount of 'artistic license' and if you have nothing to go from in my view ruins the authenticity of the piece. That is not to say Gino is not capable of doing alterations, just that it is still an 'interpretation' of how it actually was.
In this case it seems like more of a situation where details have been left out rather than altered. Which is OK to a point and if you are letting people know what details you are leaving out. Gino has been upfront and told us that the tear bumps will be omitted on the V3. In the case of the dent on the cheek tube I don't know, lets see some more pics of a helmet without the baggy eyes, painted and unpainted.
I too, also would like to know more on how the HDPE colour was matched.
jedimaster
Sr Member
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
Gino maybe you should offer the smooth cap v2 to people in hdpe just as an option. then it would look just like the recently discovered one. The purists would still by the bumpy and scoff at the modded but others would be happier with the sharper pulls om the cap. Just a thought but it worked on the v2. A nd there is still bumps present.
Gino maybe you should offer the smooth cap v2 to people in hdpe just as an option. then it would look just like the recently discovered one. The purists would still by the bumpy and scoff at the modded but others would be happier with the sharper pulls om the cap. Just a thought but it worked on the v2. A nd there is still bumps present.
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
Yes that sounds like a good idea. But please nooooo mods to that cap/back it's perfect. I too see the authenticity diminished if a helmet is cleaned and sharpened too much. A little correction here and there Is ok but it has to be very minimal only.
Yes that sounds like a good idea. But please nooooo mods to that cap/back it's perfect. I too see the authenticity diminished if a helmet is cleaned and sharpened too much. A little correction here and there Is ok but it has to be very minimal only.
defstartrooper
Sr Member
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
Maybe it is a material issue, personally i don't think so but i'm willing to accept that as a possibility but that is not what GINO has claimed in the past when asked about that kink.
What he said was that it's a product of assembly he never once said it was down to material, by the way the kink isn't only present on HDPE helmets it's also i believe present on Jedi helmets which aren't HDPE so that's why i'm dubious about it being a materials thing.
Maybe it is a material issue, personally i don't think so but i'm willing to accept that as a possibility but that is not what GINO has claimed in the past when asked about that kink.
What he said was that it's a product of assembly he never once said it was down to material, by the way the kink isn't only present on HDPE helmets it's also i believe present on Jedi helmets which aren't HDPE so that's why i'm dubious about it being a materials thing.
bagpus3
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sskunky
Sr Member
Re: My V3 HDPE TROOPER HELMET
You say that you are not for sharpening as that is altering the moulds and thus losing authenticity of the original piece. Then you say it's alright to emit certain details? This is a complete contradiction in terms. Emitting details is altering moulds!
The kink issue is plain and simple. It is on the moulds and obviously the emitted from previous versions using all Ginos unaltered moulds. :rolleyes.
Some of you will believe what you are told but what is present on the original should and will be present on the moulds taken from the original. If it's not then the moulds have been altered. Simples.
I have said this before that the kink may well have been an assembly issue on the originals. Alot of helmets do have this kink and both ABS & HDPE have it. BUT the mould from an original with the kink will have it and anything pulled from that mould will have it to, regardless of assembly.
You say that you are not for sharpening as that is altering the moulds and thus losing authenticity of the original piece. Then you say it's alright to emit certain details? This is a complete contradiction in terms. Emitting details is altering moulds!
The kink issue is plain and simple. It is on the moulds and obviously the emitted from previous versions using all Ginos unaltered moulds. :rolleyes.
Some of you will believe what you are told but what is present on the original should and will be present on the moulds taken from the original. If it's not then the moulds have been altered. Simples.
I have said this before that the kink may well have been an assembly issue on the originals. Alot of helmets do have this kink and both ABS & HDPE have it. BUT the mould from an original with the kink will have it and anything pulled from that mould will have it to, regardless of assembly.
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