Mass Effect 3 Ending, opinions and feelings?
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He left them notes, but they threw them all out.
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
Well of course. Why bother following through on the groundwork that Drew had laid and all the foreshadowing? Screw the dark matter plot, they wanted a deus ex machina, dammit!
I half agree with the problem of losing focus on the squadies in ME3, but good lord all those loyalty missions in ME2 get old real fast. I gotta go recruit 8 of the 12, then I have to do crap for all 12 of them so they can focus on saving the galaxy. 20 missions just to make sure no one takes a dirt nap, at least in ME1 and ME3 you pick up people while advancing the plot.
In related news.....
Star Wars: The Old Republic going Free To Play
On a related note, I am certain this group at BioWare regrets nothing.
Star Wars: The Old Republic going Free To Play
On a related note, I am certain this group at BioWare regrets nothing.
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Satxer
Sr Member
BAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Take that Bioware!
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
That's awesome. Can't stop laughing 
Leviathon is out and it's not getting shining reviews from even the paid game sites. it's 800 points and only 3 hours long. Everyone's waiting for a deal where you can get more stuff in a giant pack like they did with ME2's DLC. It's bad when Bioware/EA can't even get shining reviews from the people they pay off.
I got an email from Bioware asking to take a survey tonight and it was titled "Tell us how we can improve our games!". So I filled out age, what gaming systems I own, how long I play each per week, a selection of Bioware games and which I own/play, then it said "Thank you!". Absolutely nothing about improving their games. :rolleyes
Leviathan sounds less like a story meant to expand on pre-established lore and more like an attempt to solidify that what happens in the end game is genuine and not indoctrination. There was absolutely no warning, hint or even curiosity about the Leviathans in ME3. And you gotta love how despite the "We will fight" thing you get from the Leviathon's at the end, they're still just like every single force you rally up to fight for you in the end. A bloody number. You would think that their abilities to fight Reapers would call for a showcase, but no.
And they didn't even include more fun bits with Samantha Traynor. :thumbsdown
All while their big MMO ship is sinking. It's like everything that can go wrong is going wrong for BioWare this year. Even that Mass Effect book that was filled with huge gaping errors and universe destroying contradictions. This is just sad. I'd pull everyone out of TOR and bring them into DA3, a game that they really can't afford to screw up.
"You push a button, something awesome happens! Button = awesome!"
Over 10 hours of game play, even awesome things get stale.
DA3 is quite a way off still, isn't it? They surely need an unmitigated winner of a DLC for ME3 in the meantime. Something, anything to take the stink off; plainly Leviathan isn't it.
I'm still playing the game - it's a great game overall and I'd happily pay for a DLC if people were raving over it. But they're not.
Do agree though, DA3 must succeed. It's hard to see how they could survive if DA3 burns up whatever residual goodwill remains after the debacle of DA2.
I'm still playing the game - it's a great game overall and I'd happily pay for a DLC if people were raving over it. But they're not.
Do agree though, DA3 must succeed. It's hard to see how they could survive if DA3 burns up whatever residual goodwill remains after the debacle of DA2.
Solo4114
Master Member
Bear in mind the EA marketing model:
"You will pay, because you're all a bunch of ****ing junkies."
Junkies for what? Why, brand names, of course. They assume people will keep buying Big Name Game because it has a Big Name, even when there are problems. Why? Because they know that fans of a game, once well established, will keep hoping the next iteration is better. Take the Battlefield, series, for example. Each game that gets released has major flaws, but people keep buying them. DICE repeatedly manages them poorly, and is slowly moving towards ever more obnoxious DLC systems. But people keep buying in the hopes that this time it'll be better -- and then complain when they do. I get frustrated by aspects of the Battlefield series, but I generally know what I'm in for when I buy. I suspect other consumers....do not think this way.
Take Dragon Age. Origins is AMAZINGLY well done, especially considering it's age, and especially on PC. I've heard only mixed reviews on DA2, though. But you KNOW people will still buy DA3 because (A) "It's a Bioware game" and (B) "It's a Dragon Age game and they say this oen will be EVEN BETTER than the first one!!!11!! ZOMG!!"
EA counts on that kind of optimism, as do any of the producers of franchise games (let's be fair -- Activision and LucasArts both do this too). They KNOW fans will buy simply because name XYZ is on the box. Microsoft is counting on this with Halo 4, even though Bungie is no longer making the games. You see it everywhere.
I do think Bioware has taken some major hits this year, but I think that they'll survive if only because people WANT them to survive. They remember Bioware's golden years, when they could do no wrong (well...if you ignore Neverwinter Nights, I guess...) and hope for a return to glory. I think that's...unlikely because EA holds the purse strings now. They may return to making "pretty good" games, but they won't go back to making "OMG AMAZING!!!" games. They don't have the freedom to do that now that they serve a corporate master.
"You will pay, because you're all a bunch of ****ing junkies."
Junkies for what? Why, brand names, of course. They assume people will keep buying Big Name Game because it has a Big Name, even when there are problems. Why? Because they know that fans of a game, once well established, will keep hoping the next iteration is better. Take the Battlefield, series, for example. Each game that gets released has major flaws, but people keep buying them. DICE repeatedly manages them poorly, and is slowly moving towards ever more obnoxious DLC systems. But people keep buying in the hopes that this time it'll be better -- and then complain when they do. I get frustrated by aspects of the Battlefield series, but I generally know what I'm in for when I buy. I suspect other consumers....do not think this way.
Take Dragon Age. Origins is AMAZINGLY well done, especially considering it's age, and especially on PC. I've heard only mixed reviews on DA2, though. But you KNOW people will still buy DA3 because (A) "It's a Bioware game" and (B) "It's a Dragon Age game and they say this oen will be EVEN BETTER than the first one!!!11!! ZOMG!!"
EA counts on that kind of optimism, as do any of the producers of franchise games (let's be fair -- Activision and LucasArts both do this too). They KNOW fans will buy simply because name XYZ is on the box. Microsoft is counting on this with Halo 4, even though Bungie is no longer making the games. You see it everywhere.
I do think Bioware has taken some major hits this year, but I think that they'll survive if only because people WANT them to survive. They remember Bioware's golden years, when they could do no wrong (well...if you ignore Neverwinter Nights, I guess...) and hope for a return to glory. I think that's...unlikely because EA holds the purse strings now. They may return to making "pretty good" games, but they won't go back to making "OMG AMAZING!!!" games. They don't have the freedom to do that now that they serve a corporate master.
You're probably right, but then again quite a few studios have bitten the dust of late and BW burned a hell of a lot of goodwill this year. You could not find a bigger Origins fan than my wife - she freakin' fanfics and fanarts for it, she has t-shirts, she's about an inch away from getting into cosplaying it if I'm unlucky (she'll steal my tools). She preordered the special editions of DA2 and ME3, and absolutely will not be preordering DA3 or anything else Bioware release ever again; anything she does buy will be after assessing a lot of fan reaction. I'm a very casual gamer at best, I don't actually care too much myself - but they've lost a previously loyal customer in her, and there are a hell of a lot of others like her.
Solo4114
Master Member
Yeah, that's where I am and I haven't even played ME2, ME3, SWTOR, or DA2. I've heard enough, though, to be VERY wary. I hardly ever pre-order anything anymore, though, having been burned enough in the past. Hell, I'm so far behind in my game purchases and playing that, by the time I finish the stuff I've got, every new game is already a year, year and a half old, and I get it used or cheap anyway.
Bioware lost it's way when they lost Drew and everything he did with ME1 and ME2 as well as the novels. He IS Mass Effect. I saw someone mentioned Activision and their stuff usually makes my skin crawl but Full Moon Studios (who Activision publishes) is hitting them out of the park with the Transformer games as they're absolutely amazing.
Bioware needs to watch out as like it was said a lot of studios are being downsized or shut. Sony just took out one in Ireland that made some top rated games in the past but now wasn't making enough cash. It doesn't help that alot of publishers and developers seem to think that consoles are going to be obsolete at some point and mobile device games are the best bet. Square's doing this by putting out tons of games out for ipod and such that would do well on console or handhelds like the DS.
I forsee another game industry crash like in 1983 when the market was flooded by subpar stuff.
Bioware needs to watch out as like it was said a lot of studios are being downsized or shut. Sony just took out one in Ireland that made some top rated games in the past but now wasn't making enough cash. It doesn't help that alot of publishers and developers seem to think that consoles are going to be obsolete at some point and mobile device games are the best bet. Square's doing this by putting out tons of games out for ipod and such that would do well on console or handhelds like the DS.
I forsee another game industry crash like in 1983 when the market was flooded by subpar stuff.
Satxer
Sr Member
I didn't mind Leviathon. It was entertaining, added a couple of answers to the whole backstory of the Reapers. The missions themselves aren't too bad, kinda fun.
Worth $10? Probably not... But, I had to get it.
Also, I thought they were adding something with taking back Omega with Aria?
Worth $10? Probably not... But, I had to get it.
Also, I thought they were adding something with taking back Omega with Aria?
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