Well, there was that whole thing about “…only a Sith deals in absolutes…” according to Kenobi.
So, there’s…there’s that…I guess?
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Well, there was that whole thing about “…only a Sith deals in absolutes…” according to Kenobi.
So, there’s…there’s that…I guess?
HMSwolfe
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It’s almost like the larger a fictional universe and its accompanying lore/canon grow, the more it begins to buckle and crumble under its own weight…
CT1138
Sr Member
I mean, yeah, Luke had plenty of attachments, but he also gave Jabba and his thugs plenty of chances to surrender. Luke even went so far as to attempt to personally negotiate with Jabba unarmed. He only fought and killed when Jabba's henchmen attacked him. It's difficult to say what legality and rights to possess other beings a mafia boss has in a territory where he's the extra-judicial authority. For all intents and purposes, slavery was illegal under Republic law, yet it thrived in these Outer Rim scuzz holes, and even more so after the Empire began actively encouraging its practice.
Though it does beg the question what Han ever did with the reward the Rebellion gave him. At the beginning of Empire, Han still had every intention of paying off Jabba with it, so it can be assumed he didn't just hand it back.
There's a thing called "premeditated self-defense", where one puts themself in a situation where they know how they present themself is gonna get them attacked, so they can be "justified" in fighting back. I have a feeling Luke hoped for the best, but he had to know going in alone and unarmed would be more likely to provoke what happened than any kind of good-faith talks.
Various things in various forms of ancillary fiction over the years have seen him have to spend it on various things in the years between Star Wars and Empire. Among other things, he got a couple additional landing gear bays put on his ship.
Off subject but I tried reading that EU novel, "Heir to the Jedi". I was never a big EU reader outside of the Thrawn trilogy, Shadows of the Empire, and some of the comics. I saw it one day; it had Luke on the cover and dealt with the time between ANH and ESB. I thought it had potential for a good story and I was curious what a recent EU novel would read like, so I picked it up. I got about 2 pages in and the author wrote that Han and Chewie basically gambled away their reward money. Really? They gambled it away? The dialogue in ESB that CT1138 referenced would suggest they still had it. But even if you wanted to write that they lost it, have them lose it in a not-so-idiotic way. Perhaps Han needed to do some much needed maintenance on the Falcon or make some upgrades and figured he could dig up the money to pay Jabba later on or something along those lines. That way, you still preserve their roguish nature to tempt fate. Writing that they gambled it away just makes them look like buffoons. Anyway, I stopped reading at that point.
Good. I liked the Aftermath trilogy and Phasma, but most of the post-Disney novels have been borderline unreadable. I liked the new Marvel comics when it was a single ongoing title with miniseries going on around it, but it's expanded to the point of needing flowcharts to keep straight, so I'm irked with them, too. For all the problems in the old EU, it felt more readable and more enjoyable, with the exception of things like the Black Fleet Crisis or Dark Nest trilogies.
NakedMoleRat
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Ok… but WHY did Jabba need to negotiate? He had a LEGAL right to Han. Luke came in making demands for something he had no right to, and when Jabba refused, he killed him and everyone else. That action really made Luke the ‘bad guy’ if you think about it from a certain point of view.
As of the Prequels, Tatooine was in Hutt space, not sure about during the Imperial era. So by Hutt law, that maybe be legal. I doubt the Empire sees contracts with Hutts as legally binding though.
CT1138
Sr Member
It's difficult to say what legality and rights to possess other beings a mafia boss has in a territory where he's the extra-judicial authority. For all intents and purposes, slavery was illegal under Republic law, yet it thrived in these Outer Rim scuzz holes, and even more so after the Empire began actively encouraging its practice.
Eh, the politics seemed to be more complicated than that. By Padme's comments, Tatooine fell under frontier space, and thus Republic jurisdiction. However, due to having no senatorial representation, and plain old Republic decadence, the Republic's dereliction of these Outer Rim planets allowed extra-judicial thugs to move in and become de-facto authorities in the Republic's absence. It's like how Chicago has been ran in the 1920s. An official governing body exists, but if you don't live on the North Side or in the Loop (aka the Mid Rim and Core Worlds) you might as well not exist, and try as Chicago's government might, wrangling these "outer rim"
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NakedMoleRat
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That’s the same as saying that since one country doesn’t like another country and their form of government and labels it as ‘bad’, it’s okay to wage war on them with the intent to kill and replace them with THEIR SUPERIOR form of government.
It really is that simple, from a certain point of view.
It really is that simple, from a certain point of view.
Why, O why, didn't they keep Matt Stover around? They need to give Claudia Gray more work, too. Also, I really miss Brian Daley and Aaron Allston. I still side-eye Troy Denning. I don't understand how he could put out a brilliant solo effort like Tatooine Ghost, and then smear excrement all over everything with his three Legacy of the Force books.
But how Christie Golden got so many in the late pre-Disney and early Disney span I do not know. I simply cannot read her Star Wars novels.
But how Christie Golden got so many in the late pre-Disney and early Disney span I do not know. I simply cannot read her Star Wars novels.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
That’s like promoting someone to a manger position, knowing that they lack the skills to do their new job, and then being shocked that the staff thinks they suck.
If you want to stop throwing punches and start delivering lines, maybe, just maybe, you should start taking acting classes FIRST!
I think of Dwain Johnson. He wanted to act and so he went to acting school. He’s a phenomenal actor now.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Yeah, but if The Mouse disavowes you, that can be a career ender.
I have only attempted to read two books in the new EU and both of them read like they were written by authors who were not familiar with the SW universe. So I am totally done with new SW novels. One (both?) of them were written by authors who wrote in the old EU so I don't know what is going on with Lucasfilm's book dept.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
I just read Shadows of the Sith. It was a phenomenal book.
I just got The Princess and the Scoundrel today From Amazon. It will be a couple months as I have three books in the que that I have to do reviews on.
I just got The Princess and the Scoundrel today From Amazon. It will be a couple months as I have three books in the que that I have to do reviews on.
ghostryder
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