Luke ROTJ V2 lightsaber

[lonepigeon]

The Shared stunt is static now but it wasn't for Anh. It's hollow just like the V2, but missing the emitter nipple which used to spin and hold the blade.

I don't know why they cast them instead of machining aluminum from scratch. I only know that they did. They also cast several R2 parts from wooden masters.

 

[spidersolo]

As others have said the Shared Stunt and V2 both have uneven grip rings, the same uneven pattern since they're both from the same mold.
The wooden master used to make the mold and an unused casting from it came up for auction many years ago on eBay. The seller was a prop builder from John Stears shop ( they built the stunt sabers and droids for ANH). I exchanged a few emails with the guy. The pieces were later bought by Propstore. I don't know if they've sold since then.
The Yuma saber (aka Rotj hero) is a machined copy of one of these anh stunts. Machined but hardly identical. It has its own wonkiness and unique pattern of uneven grips.

Thanks for the info. Has Anyone ever inspected the V2 or photographed it for research? I have asked friends and searched and cannot find any. Has anyone even inspected it? I know MR called their saber the V2 but as we know it based off a compilation.

 

[spidersolo]

Holy cow - a few years ago I didn't understand many of the things Lonepigeon and Nighteyes are talking about. I asked many, many questions (almost too many, haha sorry guys!) and when I had another theory I popped the question, with photos and an explanation of my doubts, and members were kind enough to discuss them with me. 90% of the time I was wrong, but with an open dialogue, all that matters is the information.

Honestly, it's been requested that you (spidersolo) provide a picture or something to give us some context of your ideas, maybe even bullet points for us to discuss. Your ideas are new and different from people that have been in the archives and handled these props - and this is why members are slightly taken aback.

The thick, even grip rings theory and the second mold/master theory are what throw me the most - I have no idea where these ideas are coming from. In fact the grips are un-even on both the ANH re-used sabers (V2 and Shared Stunt) as well as the ones made for ROTJ (Yuma, Hero). While they are extremely different neither have even grips, or even an perfectly circular profile (ANH era). Your feelings and thoughts are valid, and we'd like to discuss the evidence that already exists, as it seems you have some doubts about it.

The Grip rings look very even to me on the HD screen caps that are in this thread on the V2. To me the V2 is the missing link and no one has any information but screen caps and that is may be cast. If it was cast it would be an incredible waste of energy to make a mechanical saber that way. So many of these sabers look so bad yet the v2 looks like a well made prop.I haven't seen any evidence that compels me to believe it wasn't machined. I could add pictures but this thread is full of them. Now please don't take me wrong, Some times I type faster than the words are formed so they come out short and direct. The purpose of my statements is to learn but also to have other knowledgeable people look at things a different way. Looking at this from a practical point of view it would be very ignorant to cast the V2 but it may have been....I just don't think so. I put 3 bullet points out there.
Thanks

 

[spidersolo]

The Shared stunt is static now but it wasn't for Anh. It's hollow just like the V2, but missing the emitter nipple which used to spin and hold the blade.

I don't know why they cast them instead of machining aluminum from scratch. I only know that they did. They also cast several R2 parts from wooden masters.

Thanks, Do you have any further information on the V2? Doesn't Hammil have the V2 or is it the Yuma?

 

[Shingouki28]

Does anybody follow Mark Hamill on twitter? Perhaps there's a slim chance if asked that he could post a pic or two of the saber he was given?

 

[lonepigeon]

If it was cast it would be an incredible waste of energy to make a mechanical saber that way.

Except we know for a fact the Shared Stunt was made this way. We have the first hand information from the guy that worked in Stears' shop and the physical evidence of the wooden master which aligns perfectly with the Shared Stunt. It's also a fact the stunt is hollow - confirmed by people who have held it.
The V2 is simply the Shared Stunt's twin made at the same time. If you look closer you'll see that the V2 grips are not even.

So many of these sabers look so bad yet the v2 looks like a well made prop.

In screen caps sure, but that's kind of the point. Most of the props look good on screen, but awful in person.

 

[spidersolo]

Except we know for a fact the Shared Stunt was made this way. We have the first hand information from the guy that worked in Stears' shop and the physical evidence of the wooden master which aligns perfectly with the Shared Stunt. It's also a fact the stunt is hollow - confirmed by people who have held it.
The V2 is simply the Shared Stunt's twin made at the same time. If you look closer you'll see that the V2 grips are not even.


In screen caps sure, but that's kind of the point. Most of the props look good on screen, but awful in person.

So the determination is that the V2 was cast from the wooden master. Does the Shared stunt spin at the neck or is it simply hollow? Thanks for all the information. I appreciate it. The V2 just looks a bit more refined to me....perhaps as you said the screen caps are all we have.

 

[thd9791]

So the determination is that the V2 was cast from the wooden master. Does the Shared stunt spin at the neck or is it simply hollow? Thanks for all the information. I appreciate it. The V2 just looks a bit more refined to me....perhaps as you said the screen caps are all we have.

Screencaps can be extremely deceiving.

Basically prior to Return of the Jedi, The V2 and Shared Stunt were nigh identical, both painted black. The Shared Stunt had a copper-ish neck during ESB, but that was about it. We know this based on behind the scenes video, those with direct access to the props, photos all compared, and when the Shared stunt was on display - it's quite obvious the prop dept re-did the prop to match the Hero. There is black visible beneath the touch-ups. Considering their similarity it's very possible the Shared Stunt also had the moving parts.

The Yuma Stunts were in fact machined for ROTJ, and it's thought one of these was turned into the close-up Hero prop. (and cast in resin for some reason later) these did not include graflex clamps, as they were 1.25 inches in diameter instead of 1.5

and as an after thought, it's never wrong to add pictures, especially when miscommunication comes in to play.

Now this camera boot clamp lever - i don't even know what a camera boot is! somebody!

 

[spidersolo]

Screencaps can be extremely deceiving.

Basically prior to Return of the Jedi, The V2 and Shared Stunt were nigh identical, both painted black. The Shared Stunt had a copper-ish neck during ESB, but that was about it. We know this based on behind the scenes video, those with direct access to the props, photos all compared, and when the Shared stunt was on display - it's quite obvious the prop dept re-did the prop to match the Hero. There is black visible beneath the touch-ups. Considering their similarity it's very possible the Shared Stunt also had the moving parts.

The Yuma Stunts were in fact machined for ROTJ, and it's thought one of these was turned into the close-up Hero prop. (and cast in resin for some reason later) these did not include graflex clamps, as they were 1.25 inches in diameter instead of 1.5

and as an after thought, it's never wrong to add pictures, especially when miscommunication comes in to play.

Now this camera boot clamp lever - i don't even know what a camera boot is! somebody!

Thanks for the info. Perhaps the information contained in the thread can be done in a chronological order. Some cameras used to have a clamp that attached the boot on folding cameras. I have been searching the web for some without success. They used a lot of od camera equipment in the SW movies to make props. I have seen them before but can't remember on what camera...I think someone in my family had one in the seventies.

 

[thd9791]

What part is the boot? on what model of camera?

 

[spidersolo]

What part is the boot? on what model of camera?

:facepalm:facepalm:facepalm I've been trying to find out for weeks.......

 

[spidersolo]

Does anybody follow Mark Hamill on twitter? Perhaps there's a slim chance if asked that he could post a pic or two of the saber he was given?

thumbsupthumbsup good thinking

 

[thd9791]

So far, I haven't found much either - my gut still says this is some sort of tightening or release lever. The flat end would stand it open, until it was pressed closed. the tooth would help keep it closed. It most likely was chosen because it functioned on a similar hinge as a graflex lever, and they could feed a pin through the clamp. My mom even said hey! I remember that from when I was a kid...but i don't know what it's from.....augh! we're so close!

 

[scottjua]

Does anybody follow Mark Hamill on twitter? Perhaps there's a slim chance if asked that he could post a pic or two of the saber he was given?

so has anyone tried it? I would but I'm not on twitter

 

[spidersolo]

so has anyone tried it? I would but I'm not on twitter

The search continues ....Somewhere there has to be more information.:facepalm

 

[thd9791]

I'm not on twitter either, but that could change...of no one else is?

 

[raif79]

Any updates on the lever? Will we ever know?

 

[scottjua]

I found this... not much more info, but show another angle of the shape. From this angle it looks like the MR LE got the top view shape correct.

I'm thinking the new book will show us more... well, I'm HOPING.

 

[thd9791]

Heh, I do actually see a more straight part near the hinge - suggesting a match to the good ol' black and white all of us argued over

 

[scottjua]

If it pleases the court: while I have no new evidence regarding the lever, I submit exhibit ob1 for your shape accuracy fans:

Notice what appears to be a FLAT emitter face