JediG60racer
Sr Member
Well... five faiths, and the wagon wheel that makes the Island move.
Lost season 6 with spoilers beware
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Well... five faiths, and the wagon wheel that makes the Island move.
JediG60racer
Sr Member
I'm good with it being about the journey, but there was just SO much unexplained. Hard to appreciate that.
I did like seeing the skeletons in the cave - Man in Black and his non-mom?
I did like seeing the skeletons in the cave - Man in Black and his non-mom?
Galactifan
Sr Member
I thought that LOST was a great tv series with a huge last episode let-down of an ending. 
I'm a little peeved.
Don't get me wrong, i enjoyed the end.
But i'm still pretty upset. I'm an atheist. So obviously, I was rooting for science. Since, you know.. faith is the easiest, most unintelligent, and uncomplicated thing you could possibly do, and also the simplest solution to wrapping up a complex story you claimed you were writing for adults...
But really. If they'd bothered to explain just a few more things. say.. widmore.. the dharma food drops.. where dan went for those years.. walt being special.. etc. If they had just done that, I could have handled the faith ending just fine.
It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth to be left with that.
Kinda feels like a slap in the face to anyone who had a brain and watched the show for the incredible story that was set up with little to no payoff tonight.
Oh well. I still enjoyed it. I had to, or my heart would just explode tonight.
Don't get me wrong, i enjoyed the end.
But i'm still pretty upset. I'm an atheist. So obviously, I was rooting for science. Since, you know.. faith is the easiest, most unintelligent, and uncomplicated thing you could possibly do, and also the simplest solution to wrapping up a complex story you claimed you were writing for adults...
But really. If they'd bothered to explain just a few more things. say.. widmore.. the dharma food drops.. where dan went for those years.. walt being special.. etc. If they had just done that, I could have handled the faith ending just fine.
It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth to be left with that.
Kinda feels like a slap in the face to anyone who had a brain and watched the show for the incredible story that was set up with little to no payoff tonight.
Oh well. I still enjoyed it. I had to, or my heart would just explode tonight.
Capn_Jack_Savvy
Sr Member
Where was Walt and Michael? Were they not part of the journey with all the Losties or were their lives not intertwined as much since they left after Season 1? Why wouldn't the dog have been their at the church? What happened to Miles, Lepitus (Sp?), or Richard that were on the plane together with Sawyer, Kate, and Claire? Does that mean they are not dead yet? Is Ben still on the island ferrying people between here and there (as Davy Jones ferry's people between here and there?) What happened to most of the other characters that were on the plane as well? Where did all the "Others" go? Not all killed off by Smokie!? Wouldn't Jacob and MIB be somewhere in this journey or were they made up as well?
Just a few ?????????
It is 2:00am PST and I too enjoyed it but again not one of the better series ending as compared to other shows in the past.
Just a few ?????????
It is 2:00am PST and I too enjoyed it but again not one of the better series ending as compared to other shows in the past.
Yeah. I gotta give it to them. I still loved seeing everyone get together and have a "happy" ending.. even if it was kind of a joke. But that is something most shows never get.
I'm glad they got to end it, and make it complete.
I just think it was very misleading, and full of really poor decisions.
Then again, another part of me kinda wishes it got canceled.
At least then I wouldn't feel let down.
I'm still so conflicted by this! Ughh..
angryangelangry:angry:sickDon't worry - next year Bobby Ewing will show up in the shower and say "Good Morning" and it'll all start over again.
Clutch
Master Member
walt is still roaming the island as a truly LOST soul!!!! lol Walt is still possibly alive. The other people weren't important enough apparently. I wanted to see Mr. Eko. lol
propalooza
Active Member
I watched LOST in the beginning but "lost" interest by the 3rd season it didn't seem to be going anywhere for me. So the retrospective 2 hours at the beginning of the finale helped catch me up somewhat for the seasons that I missed. It ended much like I thought it would.
Not sure how to feel. I too would have like more answers because I feel like the amount of mysteries on the island warranted more answers; otherwise, I'm left feeling like the mysteries were just thrown in there.
Don't get me wrong, I think this ending is one that will be talked about and debated for a long time (which from a screenwriting/storytelling perspective is genious in my opinion); but for me, they made the island just as much a character as Jack, Kate and the others, and I'm feeling like that character didn't get its proper sendoff.
Regardless of the answers/lack of answers in the finale, I would probably still rank it in my top 5 of series finales below:
5. I'm reserving this spot (or one higher) for the Wire as I'm only half-way through the first season
4. Lost
3. Angel
2. Wonder Years
1. The Shield
Don't get me wrong, I think this ending is one that will be talked about and debated for a long time (which from a screenwriting/storytelling perspective is genious in my opinion); but for me, they made the island just as much a character as Jack, Kate and the others, and I'm feeling like that character didn't get its proper sendoff.
Regardless of the answers/lack of answers in the finale, I would probably still rank it in my top 5 of series finales below:
5. I'm reserving this spot (or one higher) for the Wire as I'm only half-way through the first season
4. Lost
3. Angel
2. Wonder Years
1. The Shield
There's six years of my life I'll never get back.
Your telling me we were dragged through a plane wreck (or two), the hatches, the others, the OTHER others, Darhma, Polar Bears, smoke monsters, and so on, to get that kind of ending. The title of the show was called "the end" to where as it should have been called "Cop Out" or Let Down"
As someone said above, they said it wasn't going to be a purgitory/dead
type show. 2 1/2 hours of Duhhhhhhhh oh wait, I love you scenes. That was really lame.
:rolleyes
Your telling me we were dragged through a plane wreck (or two), the hatches, the others, the OTHER others, Darhma, Polar Bears, smoke monsters, and so on, to get that kind of ending. The title of the show was called "the end" to where as it should have been called "Cop Out" or Let Down"
As someone said above, they said it wasn't going to be a purgitory/dead
type show. 2 1/2 hours of Duhhhhhhhh oh wait, I love you scenes. That was really lame.
:rolleyes
Darth Detori
Well-Known Member
Armed with the knowledge that we now have, let's try to figure some stuff out.
Egyptian writing is everywhere, even in the cave of light and the stopper. The egyptians believed very heavily in the afterlife and had the capability to build pyramids. It seems likely to me that the island has ALWAYS been present. They came to the island and found the cave of light and made the mistake of tapping into the light, causing need for the stopper. This probably caused the creation of a smoke monster and began the need for someone to guard the light and the island, ultimately ending in the cycle repeating with two more taking the role of the light and the dark just as Jacob and the Man in Black took the role from their "mother".
The mother, I think, was somehow cast in both roles- forced to protect the island yet imbued with the evil power as well. She knew that the island would eventually be prey to those who seek it's power if she left yet I believe she wanted to leave as well. This is why she pushed Jacob and MIB into the roles so that SHE could move on.
The light is life, death, and rebirth. A little bit is inside everyone. Without the light, however, the cycle of life ends and there is no afterlife. That has always been what's at stake- the island is necessary for life to continue and to continue on afterwards. The Light is basically the energy that is a soul.
MIB was lied to and told there was nothing outside the island so that he could be put into the dark role. What I don't entirely get, though, is why he can't leave the island and jacob can. The island is a mystical force, and it is kind of cheap for the writers to leave certain questions as being relegated to "it was the island's wishes" but this is one of those things I think they wanted us to conclude. Perhaps it's that the man in black was a ghost (as smokey of course) and was stuck on the island like Michael and the whisperers. He can't leave because of what he did (killing his mother and then, ya' know, TONS of people). And if he left then the that would unhinge the entire system, allowing the souls of those who died to go free without having to pay for what they did to be trapped there. It would cause evil to have no ethereal ramification.
MIB became capable of being killed after the stopper was released. This leads me to believe that his power is based entirely off the presence of the light. He died and was just plain stark dead. No afterlife, nothing, because the light was at that point gone. I think becoming the island's protector gives you a small bit of the power of the light, and as such you can guide people and grant them gifts of life. It's a counter-balance to having a roaming evil capable of taking different forms. The removal of the stopper and therefore the light was like stripping away the power entirely. Jack's job was to protect the island and that's exactly why he had desmond remove the stopper, to bring things back to zero.
The entire sideways universe I think exists beside the losties, but perhaps it's different to different people. I think others there were given a second chance and could find those who they were connected to in past lives, their constants, and move on, however the losties sideways is different from Joe Shmoes in that Joe Shmoe wouldn't read in the paper about the mysterious disappearance of multiple people in a church. I don't think it was reserved just for those who came to the island. Were it so, that would somewhat cheapen the whole reason for protecting the light- not to protect the afterlife for themselves but for all of humanity. Those who died in the afterlife, perhaps that's their hell. Keamy was evil and therefore has to die again. Anthony Cooper ended up a vegetable. Charles Widmore redeemed himself in the end by coming to the aid of the island and bringing Desmond.
Eloise Hawking (or Widmore) I think has a uniqueness about her in that she seems to be a knowing, guiding force. Juliet said "we can go dutch" before she died, slipping into the afterlife and back for a split second. Perhaps after killing her own son, a part of her, she became capable of seeing through to the other side and knew that things had to happen a certain way. She tried to stop Desmond's intervention because normally people must find each-other by themselves, however Desmond is exactly who brought them all together to begin with by crashing the plane, so it was his role to do so.
I love how Desmond had to push the button to save the world as a modern equivalent of the protector of the island stopping the uncorking of the light since the Swan basically was a modern stopper. When he turned the key, however, I think he became unhinged in that his mind could look into the afterlife. The whole "Flashes Before Your Eyes" episode was probably him looking into the afterlife in which a second chance was possible. Eloise wasn't really Eloise but a construct of the afterlife to guide Desmond. Same in the sideways universe. So maybe the entire time we thought she had some deep insight into the working of the universe, that was just her after she died in which she would understand such things. She never once had a "no, you don't buy the ring" scene in the real world, she just knew about the island.
She stayed behind as well as Daniel and Miles and others because they are still there to guide the rest "home" (into wherever those in the church went, whatever you want to call it). Dan will lead Charlotte there someday, Miles will lead his father, and so on. I think the reason they did that was just for lack of time; the episode was already no-BS no-time-wasted so that would just make it more that would have to be packed in. I think Walt will find his own way someday but his afterlife will be different because he'll still get to live out his whole life and maybe the island won't be the most important place nor the most important relations in his life.
Those who were "Special" I think were those who were imbued with an abundance of light. Walt could make things happen because he had a connection with the source of life. Locke healed so fast because he was connected to the light by having an abundance of it.
I'm still not sure why babies who were conceived on the island can't be born. Ethan WOULD be an exception however Horace and Amy could have easily left the island to conceive. Perhaps being in such close proximity to the light, it overloads the unborn child since, at some point, (probably at the point the deaths occur) the light must enter a living being. That's about as close to a theory as I can get. The statue of Tawaret was probably made by the egyptians hoping for birth to occur there.
Oh yeah, and one more interesting thing to mull over: in the foot statue there's an egyptian-style image of an eye with many hands extending down and touching people. Perhaps this is the only hint we have at those who came before, the beings who imbued life to begin with.
There's so much to think about- I think a lot of what I wrote, though, will be what I consider my answers. It will probably be a while before we get anything definitive.
Egyptian writing is everywhere, even in the cave of light and the stopper. The egyptians believed very heavily in the afterlife and had the capability to build pyramids. It seems likely to me that the island has ALWAYS been present. They came to the island and found the cave of light and made the mistake of tapping into the light, causing need for the stopper. This probably caused the creation of a smoke monster and began the need for someone to guard the light and the island, ultimately ending in the cycle repeating with two more taking the role of the light and the dark just as Jacob and the Man in Black took the role from their "mother".
The mother, I think, was somehow cast in both roles- forced to protect the island yet imbued with the evil power as well. She knew that the island would eventually be prey to those who seek it's power if she left yet I believe she wanted to leave as well. This is why she pushed Jacob and MIB into the roles so that SHE could move on.
The light is life, death, and rebirth. A little bit is inside everyone. Without the light, however, the cycle of life ends and there is no afterlife. That has always been what's at stake- the island is necessary for life to continue and to continue on afterwards. The Light is basically the energy that is a soul.
MIB was lied to and told there was nothing outside the island so that he could be put into the dark role. What I don't entirely get, though, is why he can't leave the island and jacob can. The island is a mystical force, and it is kind of cheap for the writers to leave certain questions as being relegated to "it was the island's wishes" but this is one of those things I think they wanted us to conclude. Perhaps it's that the man in black was a ghost (as smokey of course) and was stuck on the island like Michael and the whisperers. He can't leave because of what he did (killing his mother and then, ya' know, TONS of people). And if he left then the that would unhinge the entire system, allowing the souls of those who died to go free without having to pay for what they did to be trapped there. It would cause evil to have no ethereal ramification.
MIB became capable of being killed after the stopper was released. This leads me to believe that his power is based entirely off the presence of the light. He died and was just plain stark dead. No afterlife, nothing, because the light was at that point gone. I think becoming the island's protector gives you a small bit of the power of the light, and as such you can guide people and grant them gifts of life. It's a counter-balance to having a roaming evil capable of taking different forms. The removal of the stopper and therefore the light was like stripping away the power entirely. Jack's job was to protect the island and that's exactly why he had desmond remove the stopper, to bring things back to zero.
The entire sideways universe I think exists beside the losties, but perhaps it's different to different people. I think others there were given a second chance and could find those who they were connected to in past lives, their constants, and move on, however the losties sideways is different from Joe Shmoes in that Joe Shmoe wouldn't read in the paper about the mysterious disappearance of multiple people in a church. I don't think it was reserved just for those who came to the island. Were it so, that would somewhat cheapen the whole reason for protecting the light- not to protect the afterlife for themselves but for all of humanity. Those who died in the afterlife, perhaps that's their hell. Keamy was evil and therefore has to die again. Anthony Cooper ended up a vegetable. Charles Widmore redeemed himself in the end by coming to the aid of the island and bringing Desmond.
Eloise Hawking (or Widmore) I think has a uniqueness about her in that she seems to be a knowing, guiding force. Juliet said "we can go dutch" before she died, slipping into the afterlife and back for a split second. Perhaps after killing her own son, a part of her, she became capable of seeing through to the other side and knew that things had to happen a certain way. She tried to stop Desmond's intervention because normally people must find each-other by themselves, however Desmond is exactly who brought them all together to begin with by crashing the plane, so it was his role to do so.
I love how Desmond had to push the button to save the world as a modern equivalent of the protector of the island stopping the uncorking of the light since the Swan basically was a modern stopper. When he turned the key, however, I think he became unhinged in that his mind could look into the afterlife. The whole "Flashes Before Your Eyes" episode was probably him looking into the afterlife in which a second chance was possible. Eloise wasn't really Eloise but a construct of the afterlife to guide Desmond. Same in the sideways universe. So maybe the entire time we thought she had some deep insight into the working of the universe, that was just her after she died in which she would understand such things. She never once had a "no, you don't buy the ring" scene in the real world, she just knew about the island.
She stayed behind as well as Daniel and Miles and others because they are still there to guide the rest "home" (into wherever those in the church went, whatever you want to call it). Dan will lead Charlotte there someday, Miles will lead his father, and so on. I think the reason they did that was just for lack of time; the episode was already no-BS no-time-wasted so that would just make it more that would have to be packed in. I think Walt will find his own way someday but his afterlife will be different because he'll still get to live out his whole life and maybe the island won't be the most important place nor the most important relations in his life.
Those who were "Special" I think were those who were imbued with an abundance of light. Walt could make things happen because he had a connection with the source of life. Locke healed so fast because he was connected to the light by having an abundance of it.
I'm still not sure why babies who were conceived on the island can't be born. Ethan WOULD be an exception however Horace and Amy could have easily left the island to conceive. Perhaps being in such close proximity to the light, it overloads the unborn child since, at some point, (probably at the point the deaths occur) the light must enter a living being. That's about as close to a theory as I can get. The statue of Tawaret was probably made by the egyptians hoping for birth to occur there.
Oh yeah, and one more interesting thing to mull over: in the foot statue there's an egyptian-style image of an eye with many hands extending down and touching people. Perhaps this is the only hint we have at those who came before, the beings who imbued life to begin with.
There's so much to think about- I think a lot of what I wrote, though, will be what I consider my answers. It will probably be a while before we get anything definitive.
maboot38
Well-Known Member
Walt can't be "still alive". There is no time in the dead zone. Some died long after others.
Skaught
Sr Member
Nice. I could take some cheap shots at you're chosen beliefs or lack thereof, but instead I'll respect your right to them and not insult you. Maybe you could extend me and other RPF members the same next time?
Scott
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Egon Spengler
Master Member
Exactly, that was a pretty rude comment. I love how tolerance is preached by so many, but it's okay to bash those that have faith.
