Kuhn Global CC Red 5 - FINAL

[Hand Solo]

<div class='quotetop'>(Kuhn Global @ Jul 3 2006, 08:47 AM) [snapback]1273144[/snapback]</div>

wow....
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That's just from that particular view.

I recommend more feedback from others as well before getting a re-work.

Those intakes definitely need some rough love too.

Also, I don't see the yellow stripes on the nose in those Episode IV trench run screen caps...

The canopy frames may also be too dark.

 

[Kuhn Global]

Maybe that's where things are going wrong...

Ernie mentions something about EP V being some inspiration of this RED 5.

 

[Hand Solo]

<div class='quotetop'>(Kuhn Global @ Jul 3 2006, 09:24 AM) [snapback]1273187[/snapback]</div>

Maybe that's where things are going wrong...

Ernie mentions something about EP V being some inspiration of this RED 5.
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Ah.

Did you order this as an Episode IV Red V? I know we're both pretty ANH-Centric...

 

[Hand Solo]

Just some quick grabs from the DVD. Regardless of which version yours is, it's still not weathered enough in my opinion.

Granted, 3 of the four grabs are live action/full size, but they give some indicator of position of the pilot and astromech and the general condition of the plane.

I'd need to see the exact references that were used in painting your X wing to be sure of anything I've noted.

 

[Kuhn Global]

well...

I have to admit that when I viewed this model for the first time I was very star-struck and amazed. Accurracy is of prime importance in my collection,.. (not bolt counting though). I really do LOVE this build by Ernie and agree that the details need to be looked at. Ernie knows I wanted RED 5 done accurately and for the $1500 I paid him,.. he did very well, but not accurate it seems. Unless , of course, he can show reference photos to back up his portrayal of this build. I have a call into him now. I am sure he will agree that it will need to be fixed.

Ernie is a very talented guy,.. and very busy... and he knows the quality of being precise.

We'll talk and the updates will get done.

 

[Hand Solo]

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Ernie is a very talented guy,.. and very busy...[/b]

No doubt whatsoever about talent. His interpretation is beautiful.

 

[PHArchivist]

<div class='quotetop'>(Hand Solo @ Jul 3 2006, 03:59 PM) [snapback]1273147[/snapback]</div>

Also, I don't see the yellow stripes on the nose in those Episode IV trench run screen caps...


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Yeah -- seems common on Red 5 paint ups to do very "hot" yellows

 

[Hand Solo]

<div class='quotetop'>(PHArchivist @ Jul 3 2006, 11:06 AM) [snapback]1273288[/snapback]</div>

Yeah -- seems common on Red 5 paint ups to do very "hot" yellows
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The screen grabs from the full size DO show some yellow markings. And they are pretty mute as you point out. I've just not seen 'em stand out so much in the model photography. Of course, that could be due to the lighting and film stock.

Take a look at Spiker's CC buildup for a comparison of interpretations.

 

[Lynn TXP 0369]

Awesome model show 1st place award winning paint job, just not a true SS paint job.
The real ships where done messy, sloppy, and dirty.

I'm sure the real SS models were not award winning as far as their paint jobs, and I know I like mine to look SS ships, not award winners. But that is just me.

Great looking model though and not knocking it in the least.

Lynn

 

[Hand Solo]

Yep. The whole idea here is not just capturing the scale of the models being done, but the replication of the LOOK of such filming models as well.

On this Xwing build-up's artistic merits, I have not a shred of criticism. I absolutely love it on an artistic basis.

I can't wait to see this again once the tweeks are done.

And with that, I think I've said enough on this thread.

 

[Spiker]

As there is a link to my X-Wing i might chime in here

First of all the CC X-Wing is wrong in some (many ?) details as many of us figured out. So there will always be only "interpretation" of the original model.
That is NOT a reproach at Scotts model. Its just a fact, but it devalues the kit in absolutly no way. I love the kit and its look. Its closer to Studio Scale than any other kit out there.

Kuhns X-Wing has a very nice paintjob in my opinion. It's clean but its very well done in its way.
Nobody can ever get the paintjob 100% right as the original model has been repainted (yes lousy, i know :lol ).
There are very very few photos for reference and these photos are either bad screenshots (where the lightning is miles away from reality) or the 4 photos made by AMT back in the 70ties (for their kit).

These 4 pics show highly saturation and are completley flashed out. You can only "imagine" how the model really looked. I weathered and detailed my X-Wing after that 4 pictures and had to make always "flashy photos" to compare to the AMT pics.
Its difficult as hell.

Kuhn, if your X gets some more oil-washing it will look even greater than it looks right now. Be proud of it, if Master Replicas will ever release an X-Wing it will look much cleaner and not as good as yours .

Cheers,
Philip

 

[Watson]

<div class='quotetop'>(Spiker @ Jul 4 2006, 10:29 AM) [snapback]1273921[/snapback]</div>

Kuhns X-Wing has a very nice paintjob in my opinion. It's clean but its very well done in its way.
Nobody can ever get the paintjob 100% right as the original model has been repainted (yes lousy, i know :lol ).
There are very very few photos for reference and these photos are either bad screenshots (where the lightning is miles away from reality) or the 4 photos made by AMT back in the 70ties (for their kit).
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I agree with this 100% I have built a few of these in my day and I dont think that anyone will EVER have one perfect. Not enough reference material plain and simple. I think your guy did a great job.

JDH

 

[Kuhn Global]

THANKS Philip and JDH...

BTW... YOUR X-Wing is absolutely B-E-A-utiful. The hoses in the cockpit was such a GREAT idea. Gave it real charachter.

You are soooooo right about the lighting wash-out in the pics. It is obvious you experienced the same at some point or another...lol... now I don't feel so bad. Still... as RED 5 goes.. there are improvements on mine that will be done. Ernie will be taking it over this weekend to do specific scorch and weather markings that are obvious on the RED 5 studio model in the pics that Scott has provided to me. Also,.. Luke will be lowered in the cockpit a bit more and a new canopy will be placed on since this one is warped a bit. Ernie is very talented and I am happy he did this X-Wing. Whatever details are left off after this weekend will be my responsibility entirely,.. and then I will be crucified for them instead..lol. I did ask everyone for comments...which opened pandora's box completely,.. and because I want an accurate (or as close to) version of RED 5, I do appreciate the comments,... as disturbing as they may be. I guess the bottom line is that I am happy with this X-Wing now AND after the weathering process is completed this weekend.

ALL is well in X-Wing land.

As for RED Leader coming up Wednesday night,...

Scott decided to lesson the weathering on it a bit, stating that what we thought when doing it was a bit too much for RED Leader. Bob brought up a good point in that RED Leader should be in a more nice T-65 than newbie Luke..lol.

The modified pics of RED 5 will be up next Monday or Tuesday. RED Leader will be up Wed. or Thurs. of this week.

Thanks again Philip for chiming in and the wonderful compliment. Your X-Wing is definitely very kewl.

And,.. thank you all for sharing your views in order to make this RED 5 even better.

 

[ralphee]

I think its an beatuiful job too, very nice paint indeed, im not getting into whats wrong as it ruins a great thread, your a proud owner indeed. Cant wait to see Red leader as i have one kit waiting for that said job, and id love to see what you come up with. While were on it is there any good ref on Dutch's wing, ive got the Tech journal with a nice pic, and Chronicles also has a couple of images, are there any more? There seems to be a very apparent scoring running up the top midship of the hull, is this a marking worn away, or indeed blast scoring.

 

[Kuhn Global]

For my Red Leader, Scott (CC) is using the Chronicles reference. Just remember that he is not doing this as "perfect", but "close" to be quickly done for me. I am looking forward to it.

Thanks for the compliment on RED 5 ralphee.

I look forward to your kit when ya do it.

 

[Boxster]

Wow dude, another one coming?

Like what Ralphee said (Hi Ralphee.) As long as you are happy with it, that's all it matters. Unless its painted pink pokka dots, than we got some issues here.

I saw some dudes painted their F-14 in gloss. Tho it looks horribly toy-like but the real planes are actually gloss until its get pretty weathered in the seas and after several sorties.

B

 

[Kuhn Global]

<div class='quotetop'>(Boxster @ Jul 4 2006, 11:49 AM) [snapback]1274032[/snapback]</div>

Wow dude, another one coming?

Like what Ralphee said (Hi Ralphee.) As long as you are happy with it, that's all it matters. Unless its painted pink pokka dots, than we got some issues here.

I saw some dudes painted their F-14 in gloss. Tho it looks horribly toy-like but the real planes are actually gloss until its get pretty weathered in the seas and after several sorties.

B
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Yup... another one today.

Interesting info about the sorties.

Pink Pokka Dot paint scheme would be terribly funny to see,.. if only once. LOL. That's probably all I would be able to take..lol.

 

[Kuhn Global]

What's maddening about RED 5 Studio Models is that ILM didn't seem to make any of them look alike aside from striping.

Quick question for poll...

In EpV, when Luke crashes on Dagobah,.. the 1 to 1 scale obviously had a patch of Safety tape or paint of Red and Yellow on the top of his canopy on the opening hinge. So,.. I don't see it on any models. Should it be placed on?

 

[Hand Solo]

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I saw some dudes painted their F-14 in gloss. Tho it looks horribly toy-like but the real planes are actually gloss until its get pretty weathered in the seas and after several sorties.[/b]

I'll chime in here since I'm from a NAVAIR background.

The gloss paint schemes ( actually semigloss ) would have been used in the old HiVis ( High Visibility ) schemes. Naval aircraft for the past 20 or 25 years are painted overall gray with darker gray markings. We call that 'LoVis'. Now at first, they're nice and pretty, but the sheen is never much beyond what would be a satin in a housepaint. In other words, almost dull.

Now...aircraft have panels AND systems removed on a regular basis for both phase and calendar inspections. These panels from this process, take quite a beating. Deployments, as you mention, also beat the crap out a paint-job. This is why you see a very splotchy paint job on birds at sea. The touch up painting is done for corrosion control rather than appearances.

Every few years these planes are stripped of EVERYTHING down to the airframe at a place called NARFNORVA ( Naval Air Rework Facility, Norfolk Virginia ) and completely rebuilt. Naval aircraft MUST survive two or three decades of service and thousands of flight hours in harsh environments as well as thousands of arrested landings and catapult launches.

What I like about Star Wars and the X and Y wings is that these birds show all of these signs. But they're on the extreme end of wear owing to the the nature of the Rebel Alliance. Naval aircraft, although sometimes rough looking, ARE better cared for, of course.

<div class='quotetop'>(Kuhn Global @ Jul 5 2006, 10:00 AM) [snapback]1274519[/snapback]</div>

What's maddening about RED 5 Studio Models is that ILM didn't seem to make any of them look alike aside from striping.[/b]

Lots of cannabilization and parts-swapping between birds went on. That's the reason, I think.

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Quick question for poll...

In EpV, when Luke crashes on Dagobah,.. the 1 to 1 scale obviously had a patch of Safety tape or paint of Red and Yellow on the top of his canopy on the opening hinge. So,.. I don't see it on any models. Should it be placed on?
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If it were up to me, I would... if my goal were completeness and not reproduction of a filming miniature.

In the end, this is your call only, as you are paying for a product to your satisfaction...

So...Yes....and....No. That didn't help much, did it?

 

[Spiker]

The 1:1 ESB is far away from the ANH SS. Would not go that route, but thats just my opinion