Kuhn Global - A Studio Scale What?!!!

Hi Kurt,

Glad this is picking up momentum. I tried to pm you but it bounced back.

Hope this isn't a dumb question...How will your kit making side work?. Is it literally a co-operative type thing amoung the group who will share the costs, and produce one each for everyone or are you intending to make things available in the way say NICE n Designs does?

N
 
I've got a a bunch of the Flakverling parts, the same kits used on the AT-AT and Slave 1, like 8 models of them. I've probabaly got 5 gun sets if you need them.

I've got a bunch of other kits that I used on my ATAtron retail project that has many usable parts still I'm sure.

LMK,

Lynn
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gort @ Jan 28 2007, 09:40 AM) [snapback]1406507[/snapback]</div>
Hi Kurt,

Glad this is picking up momentum. I tried to pm you but it bounced back.

Hope this isn't a dumb question...How will your kit making side work?. Is it literally a co-operative type thing amoung the group who will share the costs, and produce one each for everyone or are you intending to make things available in the way say NICE n Designs does?

N
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Thanks for all the support fellas. Please note this isn't only me involved in this,.. it is the collaberation of a great group of guys who all think alike. It appears with the support this is recieveing that there are many out there that have the same ideas. ;) We (the group) are only in the beginning stages of these ideas and they will need more refinement and discussion to work properly.

Steve, in a converstion we had yesterday, informed me he is backing this idea as well and has joined our support group. We are happy to have him on board and will forward our ideas with his addition.

Kits?,... As of now, they will be made available on a limited basis. Discussion is still necessary to confirm.

Now,.. as far as parts would be concerned. Nobody is going to make money with this. (There will be no profit made) It is designed to open doors to creativity for all in modeling. While it is still being discussed, and outside of our group, I am thinking that parts pricing be limited to material and time of the caster broken down into each individual part requested. So instead of spending $10 to $1000 on a kit just to get one or two parts, you may spend $10-$100 on ALL the parts you would need for your project. Made to order so to speak. ;)

Reference... ALL refernce made from our group will be openy available after each project has been fully completed. As for knowledge our group hasn't any research vested in,.. we will not share any of that info unless permission has expressly been given by it's owner. This doesn't mean that our group will not eventually investigate this info for ourselves, however. LOL. So,.. eventually many items will be openly available by our group alone for ALL to use as they like. If it can be researched and learned,.. it will be eventually shared. :D
 
Has your group thought of doing a website that shows the model with a line to the part then another line that shows the box art from the kit?

That would be way cool. :thumbsup
 
Guys,

Kurt is doing what we in scratch building have done for years. A group on a single project is always best. In most cases some of the information is very secretive. ThatÂ’s why I did not care to know what the part was just as long as I got the part and used it on the final model. I helped with the Y Wing and still donÂ’t know what all the parts are.

Nick, your work on the Y was fantastic but when guys like Doug Maio, the DanÂ’s and Ed M got involved it got a lot better. This is proof that team work is the best way, sharing ideas and information to make it better.

**Nick remember youÂ’re getting one of everything I do anyway. :) **

Nick, not sure what you meant “or are you doing it like Nice-N Models?” Was that a crack or what? Need clarification.. make sure I’m not getting bagged on.. I thought I was providing a service not taking advantage.

I make kits for those who donÂ’t want to scratch build. Is there any other reason to make a kit? If a group works on their own scratch build gathering parts is one thing but what about the guyÂ’s who cant scratch build?

ThatÂ’s where the kit comes into place. The costs in the hunt for all the parts are staggering. For example I practically went broke having to buy the entire Bandai line of 1/48 models to find one part.

Now here comes Kurt with the “parts” idea to help scratch builders achieve their dreams without spending a mint. Still build one master, mold it and you can make as many as you want.

Concentrate resources to find all the parts, share in the cost to buy the kit, share the costs to mold the needed parts, resale the kit on Ebay, complete the master patterns and mold the final parts then make kit for everyone. A one person effort in any of these areas will drag the project down to a screeching halt.

I am one man shop and do the best I possible can. I am blessed with having very talented friends that have inspired me to be better. There are too many to name but you know who you are.

The days of secret project lists ect. are quickly coming to an end. There are enough folks out there now with money to spend and willingness to share found part info that those of us that have secret “go to the grave” kit part info will no longer have any value.

Back in the day when reference was limited and kit prices were high the pioneers of this art had to keep stuff quiet. Early builders could not afford to compete with the regular kit collectors and now 100 new scratch builders lookign for the same kit.

The way I see it reference has flooded the net now. More and more people have the Icons and MR releases and can see the parts clearly. From Galactica builders (now thereÂ’s a group) some would rather eat their own rather than share info. IÂ’ve got a buddy thatÂ’s in there and I consider us close. Apparently blood is not as thick as the info on the famed Galactica parts list. Soon that list will no longer be a secret when guys like us finally take the time to figure it out. ItÂ’s all in a matter of time there will no longer be any secrets.

As far as my process goes teams were assembled for all my models that I make. Some members are the same some are not. The deal I make with team members is you get a casting of what ever it is I make that you help with. If you have made the master and I’m just molding I will send the maker a certain % of the kits sold. On larger projects where I could not afford “feebees” I charge only materials and I do the labor for free. I’ve been also known to otake front money now to help fund a project and the investor not only the item made but his her money back once they are being produced. Folks usually roll it into the next project I am working on.

These kits are what keeps me going on to the next project and stay active in the hobby. I am not getting rich thatÂ’s for sure. When 5 gallons of RTV is $500 and $450 worth of resin costs start to build up rather quickly.

Time is the enemy of a one man model shop. Work, Family and life all seem to take center stage when youÂ’re trying to get kits made. Id rather build one ofs trust me. Making kits is tedious and it lacks the creative punch thatÂ’s scratch building has.

Teamwork is starting to sound really good to me.

KurtÂ’s idea of an open forum sharing information found and respecting of others previous work is just the start. DonÂ’t steal the info, donÂ’t trick the info then share it. Pick a project, collect your reference, hunt down your parts and build the model masters, make a mold and we all enjoy the end project a replica of a filming minature we first saw some 30 years ago.

Sorry so long winded but I think this is a fresh start for a hobby that is soon running out of new things to make in the Star Wars universe. Only the really big ones are left and to do those your going to need to share info and work together.. Rebel Frigate, Rebel Transport, 8 ft Star Destroyer ect.

ItÂ’s an honor to be a part of the idea Kurt. I liken it to one of Arthur knights at the round table.

I raise my hobby exacto and bellow “you have my steel.”
 
Well this idea has been too long in coming, there is no way i could aford to build many of the ships we know and love on my own. Sharing refs and parts this way is the way forward IMO. The work we have all done so far on Slave 1 would have taken so much longer if it was one guy dong the ID work, not to mention the impact on the wallet.
My aim all along was to quit kits at some point as i know i can build, just the sheer weight of kit costs, rubber and resin is way high for a lot of us, so hence always drove me to kits.
The talent on this group already is amazing and im humbled with the knowledge and prowess of the guys involved. Its cool to be having fun, not feeling like an outsider and making some very cool friends in the process.
I thank all involved for letting me alone have a part in its conception and inviting me to a very cool place.

lee
 
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ItÂ’s an honor to be a part of the idea Kurt. I liken it to one of Arthur knights at the round table.

I raise my hobby exacto and bellow “you have my steel.”
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Indeed,... the Knights of the Round Table. I like that. This is exactly what is being created here. A round table for us all to sit at. EXCELLENT analogy Steve. :thumbsup :thumbsup

Good man. :D

Lee,... Cheers to that big guy. I feel very fortunate to be in the company of talent, like yourself and the others in our group. You guys amaze me daily with the amount of detail you come up with. :D

Helping the modeling world toward open and affordable creativity,... Knights of the Round Table indeed. Pull up a chair fellas. THAT table will fit EVERYONE that will sit at it. ;)
 
This is very cool, and now that we have someone with a 3D scanner and printer on board it's just a matter of scanning the kit parts then reproducing them exactly. The whole sprue even. I'm amazed. So we don't have to harm kits that cost $1,000 or more and are too rare to destroy to make one model. Now we can make all those models using the same kits. Sweet.
 
Hey Steve, whoah dude. No insult intended at all. I'm very happy with the batch of stuff you are gathering for me. As for the contribution from Dan S Dan L, Ed and Doug in kitbashing the Y... it was fantastic. Totally nothing to do with the point I was asking about :)

No, all I was trying to do was get my head around the part in Kurt's first main post when he mentioned "making kits for ourselves". In asking him about that I needed a comparison. I mentioned you only as your stuff is made available to anyone who wants the kit, for a fair price. The same way that I intend for the Snowspeeder. No jibe intended at all.

If/when Dan and I get the Speeder done I was always intending to supply a part map with it, so I'm right on side with this whole idea.

Hope that clarifies things a bit. :)

Cheers
Nick
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gort @ Jan 28 2007, 11:26 PM) [snapback]1406914[/snapback]</div>
If/when Dan and I get the Speeder done I was always intending to supply a part map with it, so I'm right on side with this whole idea.

Cheers
Nick
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Good Man Nick. I like the sound of that. :thumbsup :D :thumbsup
 
I really applaud your team's efforts. This is something that I'd really like to support. I'm a huge fan of this process. I wish I had more to add. I just got back into the hobby about 4 years ago and I just don't have a clue when people are talking about 1960's and 1970's OOP kits. I wish I could help more. In the meantime, I'll just keep sending positive encouragement your way... :)
 
I'm on the case. :) Just started a months modelwork on a new Keira Knightley movie ( :love) but I plan to keep the Speeder nudging along. I have a deal with a good CNC man in place for some of the parts/patterns and Dan and I are putting togther the working drawings.

I don't want to hijack this thread on a specific model, but there are still a couple of niggly parts that we could do with some help on. As there appears to be some MAJOR kitbashing firepower amassing here, is there any way Dan and I could get some aid on say 4 or 5 parts to help us on our way??

In return I would as I've said offer a full partmap of what we have got with the kit when its done. If... and this is very unlikely I don't actually make the kit I'll hand over all my finds to anyone who wants to take it on.

Let me know if the noble Knights can assist, Sir Gort stands at your side...


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(swpropmaker @ Jan 29 2007, 07:28 AM) [snapback]1406916[/snapback]</div>
It does. Thanks man. What no kit? Common man. Kit the darn thing.

Steve
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ralphee @ Jan 30 2007, 01:13 AM) [snapback]1407677[/snapback]</div>
Id be game, as long as the guys are cool with it :p but ive heard the T47 is a SOB to ID.

lee
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Kewl. :D The T47, eh? Nice.

Of note,.. in a few months,.. The group will most likely have lists for a few SS items. It is only a matter of time. These guys are seriously ID'ing their tails off and I am proud of them. ;) They will make a difference in creative times to come. :)

It is wonderful to be witness to such cooperation between great modelers. :thumbsup :D :thumbsup
 
You guys rock.

This is an exciting development. Good luck to you guys, and I look forward to seeing what emerges. If you are offering a range of kit part casts to all comers, I would be eager to support this effort by compensating y'all for time, effort and expenses for a few parts (however you work it out).

If I might make a suggestion, bag a vintage Leggs egg in addition to the kit parts. You might offer both solid resin and vacuformed styrene versions. I suppose heat sinks are still common enough, but items like that also offer themselves as good supplementary offerings.

You might also range out to cast toy parts as well, such as tires from vintage trucks that Garry Anderson's crew used and reused in their builds (the most recent issue of Sci-Fi Fantasy Modeller covered one such situation). That's a future feature, of course; another idea for growth.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ralphee @ Jan 30 2007, 09:13 AM) [snapback]1407677[/snapback]</div>
Id be game, as long as the guys are cool with it :p but ive heard the T47 is a SOB to ID.

lee
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Thanks Lee. :) I've actually been on a bit of a roll with the T47 recently got more than I expected.

I don't want to clutter up Kurt's thread with my stuff anymore so in a day or so I'll do a new T47 thread with the couple of bits we could do with a hand on and see if anyone can nail 'em.

Cheers
N
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MonsieurTox @ Jan 30 2007, 08:21 PM) [snapback]1408021[/snapback]</div>
Great idea bout the Legg's, we'll do it .
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