Announcement Junkyard Changes - ALL PLEASE READ!

[Art Andrews]

David, at this point you are derailing the purpose of this thread. If you want to continue to hash out the past, you are welcome to PM me. In regard to the new Junkyard and Project Runs forum, if you have any specific questions about them, I am more than happy to answer them. However, if you just want to complain and once again claim the sky is falling, well, there is nothing I can do for you.

You have inferred that I am a parasite, "feeding off the member of this forum", that I intended to "pan handle" for the fees and that I lied about where the money came from to build our house.


It cost use $260k to build our house and 14 years later we still owe $245K so PLEASE tell me how blaster money paid for it??????


I actually found the file that I used to create the thread you speak of, the last time it was edited was June of 2004

I would post it but I'm sure you would just claim that I edited the info.

 

[Kevin Gossett]

Remember that time when the layout of the forum was updated, and everyone claimed it would ruin the site, and they all hated it? Yeah. Seems to have worked out.

 

[extreme_too2]

I, for one, like how Active Projects are currently run. Everything you need to know about the project-- from price, to services offered, to construction discussion-- is all in one place. It's convenient. It'd be a shame if the new guidelines muddled the process or made it harder for people to become involved.

 

[Birdie]

I, for one, like how Active Projects are currently run. Everything you need to know about the project-- from price, to services offered, to construction discussion-- is all in one place. It's convenient. It'd be a shame if the new guidelines muddled the process or made it harder for people to become involved.

It's an old and well established way of doing things, ergo, it must be bad and eliminated.

Geez, get with the programme :rolleyes

 

[rgriesbeck]

Hey guys, Curtis (biggeek) and I noticed today that if you goto therpf.com when not logged in, the classified threads don't even show up in the navigation!?!

We're hoping this is a mistake as people shouldn't have to be logged in as a member to view the junkyard/project runs should they??

Otherwise, things are looking great, keep up the good work!

 

[Serenity]

Hey guys, Curtis (biggeek) and I noticed today that if you goto therpf.com when not logged in, the classified threads don't even show up in the navigation!?!

We're hoping this is a mistake as people shouldn't have to be logged in as a member to view the junkyard/project runs should they??

I'm pretty sure it's always been like that, since the Junkyard is only for registered members only anyway.

 

[thegreatgalling]

You have always needed to be logged in to see the junkyard.

 

[Taco-Bot]

I second that!

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I, for one, like how Active Projects are currently run. Everything you need to know about the project-- from price, to services offered, to construction discussion-- is all in one place. It's convenient. It'd be a shame if the new guidelines muddled the process or made it harder for people to become involved.

I hear you. It makes sense.

 

[Lost in Trek]

Art,

I like the look of the new junkyard and I agree with the new rules (especially you can't ask for payment as a gift. That was getting out of hand).

I do have a questions about the rule that states a member cannot contact a seller and submit a lower price unless that seller has stated they will accept offers. Not sure I understand the harm in a private message stating "would you take $175 instead of $200". Was there a reason for this change?

Thanks,
Larry

 

[rgriesbeck]

You have always needed to be logged in to see the junkyard.

If that's how it always been, I ask why? You don't need to be an eBay user to browse eBay. I pointed a guy to the RPF to look at one of Biggeek1972s helmets, but he had to make an account 1st, that's kinda lame. Most people won't. People should be able to browse the JunkYard w/o being a member, IMO.

Side note, at the school I teach at, we can't make new user accounts (for some IP reason), so this sale is likely lost because of the JunkYard not being available to all...

I'd love some reasons as to why its setup this way...

 

[Birdie]

There actually aren't many forums where you can see for sale sections without being a logged in member. Unlike Ebay the RPF is not meant to be an E-commerce site. Certainly a community that is selling 90% bootleg merchandise doesn't need that sort of attention. You have to be logged in to see the OT as well.

 

[Funky]

Art,

I like the look of the new junkyard and I agree with the new rules (especially you can't ask for payment as a gift. That was getting out of hand).

I do have a questions about the rule that states a member cannot contact a seller and submit a lower price unless that seller has stated they will accept offers. Not sure I understand the harm in a private message stating "would you take $175 instead of $200". Was there a reason for this change?

Thanks,
Larry

That's a good question. Are we allowed to ask if their price is firm? Are we allowed to ask if they will accept trades? I'm not sure I understand the whole, "You're not allowed to ask..." bit. Are our inquiries being censored? :confused

 

[rgriesbeck]

There actually aren't many forums where you can see for sale sections without being a logged in member. Unlike Ebay the RPF is not meant to be an E-commerce site. Certainly a community that is selling 90% bootleg merchandise doesn't need that sort of attention. You have to be logged in to see the OT as well.

In the immortal words of George Castanza "I'm a bootlegger!"

If that's the reason, I guess I see why, but its not like the rpf is a private torrent tracker...

 

[Boba Debt]

David, at this point you are derailing the purpose of this thread. If you want to continue to hash out the past, you are welcome to PM me. In regard to the new Junkyard and Project Runs forum, if you have any specific questions about them, I am more than happy to answer them. However, if you just want to complain and once again claim the sky is falling, well, there is nothing I can do for you.

You have a way of twisting everything.

I never complained about the new rules, I just asked specific questions

It was your overly aggressive tone and fact-less assumptions that derailed our conversation. Only a person in a position of false authority has the gull to slander a person and then tell them they can not respond.



I would love to and can prove that your recollection about my house is wrong, but for the sake of the members of my Active Project and Runs I will restrain myself.


I would like to get clarification on 2 points.

If I pay my membership fee will my threads be moved back in the Project Runs Forum?

If they are moved back into the Project Runs forum can we use the thread for additional discussion?

 

[Alan Castillo]

Maybe I missed it somewhere, but is there a way to add additional pics to a JY listing? I can edit the thread, but I don't see a way to add images.

Thanks,

Right now, there is not. We are working on this.

While the gentleman with the green name is working on that, you can always add a post in your own thread (which has all the bells & whistles of normal posts), and insert pics there.

:ninja

 

[Alan Castillo]

I do have a questions about the rule that states a member cannot contact a seller and submit a lower price unless that seller has stated they will accept offers. Not sure I understand the harm in a private message stating "would you take $175 instead of $200".

That's a good question. Are we allowed to ask if their price is firm? Are we allowed to ask if they will accept trades? I'm not sure I understand the whole, "You're not allowed to ask..." bit.

Good points. I just noticed this rule as its been pointed out and I must say, I disagree with it too.

The way I see it, if its done via PM, there is no problem / offense / price bashing at all.

Seller should grow a thicker skin if the rule is intended because s/he may take it that way :lol

 

[Alan Castillo]

David, I've no bone here, but I think there's been a miscommunication somewhere. Forgetting the rest of the banter which does not concern or interest me, I will only point out one part, because it seems to be a matter of form rather than substance.

You have inferred that ...... I intended to "pan handle" for the fees

In a way, yes you did, here :

Well, since the ROTJ Project has no possibility of wrapping up in 60 days I guess I'll have to ask the members to foot the bill for my membership

Art, and I think anyone reading that post, took it as though your intention was to contact members and ask them to pay for your membership fees.

If it were me, I'd take offense to that too.

The 'correct way to do it', and Art also agrees with you, is to simply factor the fees into your final price / costs, but obviously, without pointing this out to your buyers directly.

The way you said it comes across as nasty and gave a totally different tone to exactly the same thing you both agree on.

I'm sure you didn't mean it to sound that way.

Heck, if I were a seller, covering my costs is exactly what I'd do.

On another subject, I agree with you on the general format. I prefer the ebay style, or alternatively, for example, keep everything as like in the 'old' JY and perhaps replace the board logo with a preview pic.

I was quite vociferous in the 'beta' stage about this actually :lol, and I am told a different 'format' may be considered for the next revision.

For now, we are still in 'stage 1', and what there is, is what there is.

Small steps

 

[Robiwon]

Good luck with the new sales section

 

[Art Andrews]

If I pay my membership fee will my threads be moved back in the Project Runs Forum?

Of Course.

If they are moved back into the Project Runs forum can we use the thread for additional discussion?

Yes, as long as you proceed with the understanding that when the run ends, that information is going to be lost.

 

[Art Andrews]

That's a good question. Are we allowed to ask if their price is firm? Are we allowed to ask if they will accept trades? I'm not sure I understand the whole, "You're not allowed to ask..." bit. Are our inquiries being censored? :confused

We can revisit this, but the reasoning for it it this:

The purpose of this update is to make transactions on the RPF better for both buyers and sellers. A LOT of what we have done directly benefits the buyer, but we also have a few things that directly benefit the seller. This rule is one of them. Why do you have it? Because you, as a potential buyer already know if the seller is willing to take a lower offer or is willing to trade. Those elements are all built into the form the seller fills our when making their listing. If they are willing to take lower offers, they will check a box that says they will take lower offers and/or trade. In the past we have seen sellers be hassled by continual offers when they were unwilling to accept OBOs, so much like other info, we have added it to the listing and you know up front whether they will or not.