James Bond: Skyfall

Yeah...so I hear mate. Though personally I couldn't give a rat's ass either way. The little guy always gets stiffed no matter who is in charge! As for Connory...he is nowt more than a Pseudo Scot :rolleyes :D

As for my fave Bond's.......

Dalton (wish he had done more)
Brosnon
Craig/Connery/Moore

Dalton I liked quite a bit. His first on, especially. I find he captured the book version best before Craig. Connery's first two outings are very close to the literary Bond, though, too. Connery's great, and his films hold a special place for me, but towards the end....man did it get goofy. A sad prelude for what'd happen with Moore later. Although Moore had some terrific ones too.

I like Craigs unpolished Bond. Take the signiture walk on - shoot openings, Craigs is three quick steps and BANG, Sean looks like he just finished an Olympic ice dancing routine and Rogers, well, i mean CMON.

Minor point, but, at least in the initial films, that wasn't actually Connery -- it was one of the stunt guys.
 
I love that Aston Martin DBS that Craig was driving.

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I was nervous when I first saw him in that Ford, lol.
 
Minor point, but, at least in the initial films, that wasn't actually Connery -- it was one of the stunt guys.[/QUOTE]

...You are correct.It was stuntman Bob Simmons..up until Thunderball.

Starting with Thunderball, You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever..It was indeed Sean Connery.
 
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I think that Craig's Bond is just appealing to the "explosions and cool fights" that we see in most movies today, and not so much about storytelling. There are levels of a character and the more levels the actor creates, the deeper the character becomes, regardless of the qualities of that character. Conner's character, to me, has more levels than Craig's.

Remember, most of what we think of as "Bond," apart from the books, Connery created. The famous, "Bond, James Bond," line = Connery. Connery created a set of Bond's mannerisms that were emulated by Moore, acknowledged and changed by Dalton and adapted by Brosnan. Craig skips right over them.

The reason for this from a filmmaking standpoint is that, as the Bourne movies proved, people like hand-to-hand, rough/tough fight scenes when they're well choreographed (as the Craig Bond ones are). I think the Director tried to get this aspect across to appeal to a different and wider audience, even at the cost of breaking so many things of what Bond had been for over 15 years.
 
I think that Craig's Bond is just appealing to the "explosions and cool fights" that we see in most movies today, and not so much about storytelling. There are levels of a character and the more levels the actor creates, the deeper the character becomes, regardless of the qualities of that character. Conner's character, to me, has more levels than Craig's.

Remember, most of what we think of as "Bond," apart from the books, Connery created. The famous, "Bond, James Bond," line = Connery. Connery created a set of Bond's mannerisms that were emulated by Moore, acknowledged and changed by Dalton and adapted by Brosnan. Craig skips right over them.

The reason for this from a filmmaking standpoint is that, as the Bourne movies proved, people like hand-to-hand, rough/tough fight scenes when they're well choreographed (as the Craig Bond ones are). I think the Director tried to get this aspect across to appeal to a different and wider audience, even at the cost of breaking so many things of what Bond had been for over 15 years.

A few things.

First, I think you need to distinguish between Quantum of Solace and Casino Royale. The former is craptastic. The latter is terrific. (Both perspectives are purely my opinion, of course.) The fights in Casino Royal, while brutal and fast-paced are also actually visible. The fights in QoS are just a blur of jumpcuts and sound effects. I'd have preferred large cartoon letters saying "ZOT!" on screen instead.

Second, I think you overlook some aspects of both the character and the performance in at least Casino Royale. I'll grant you that the bulk of QoS was pretty much just Bond looking grim and then getting into yet another incomprehensible action sequence. But Casino Royale is a different animal. Granted, it breaks down much of the Bond conventions we've come to expect, but (A) that's because it's telling pretty much the story of the first Bond novel, and (B) the Bond we'd come to expect by that point was a bloody cartoon character and a far cry from Connery's resourceful, dangerous, debonaire character in Dr. No.

What I think Craig does very well is portray this tough facade in such a way that when he drops it, it's REALLY meaningful. People can accuse him of being emotionless, but I think they misread the performance. Craig's Bond is clearly NOT emotionless. Certainly not if you watch Casino Royale he isn't, and even in some scenes in QoS. But the facade of emotionlessness is what he affects in order to do his job. And again, that comes straight out of the books. Bond is this bizarre combination in the books of passion and restraint, and I see that in Craig's performance.

Again, that's not the "classic movie Bond," but then, what IS the classic movie Bond? Connery? Moore? Brosnan? Most people wouldn't include either Dalton or Lazenby although I enjoy both of their performances and the films both were in.

The "classic" movie Bond, I'd submit, is actually a liability. The films need to remember that, but go beyond it constantly. Because to simply indulge in "classic movie Bondness" is to crank out dreck like Die Another Day, Moonraker, or some of the other overly-quippy/gadget-laden films where Bond is a know-it-all who's never in any real danger. You know. The BORING ones.


That said, I really dislike the "Bourne" quality of the most recent film, especially because of the editing. I don't mind a more physical hand-to-hand Bond who doesn't just rely on "Judo chop!" or "Judo throw!" as his primary fighting techniques. But I HATED the editing in QoS. I'm hoping Skyfall loses that style and goes back to what we saw in Casino Royale.
 
If you watch Goldeneye, they had some very solid hand to hand combat in that film, and considering it had the same director as Casino Royale, it makes a lot of sense that these are my two favorite bond films. Martin Campbells other films don't do a lot for me.

I try and take each new Bond on it's own terms regardless of who is playing the character. I don't really have a favorite actor playing the character, I love the character though, in the novels. I've been reading the Bond novels my whole life and still enjoy them.

I was no fan of the casting when Craig was announced. But Casino Royale was a great movie, and I was sold on the film within 10 minutes. QoS was a trainwreck, with a handful of moments that work, and they only work because of Craig.

Skyfall looks to be a winner so far. I'll just take it on it's own merit. The IMDB page has some behind the scenes videos that I've enjoyed, and I like the cast.
 
AND they're bringing back the editor from CR! So, that's at least something else in the new film's favor.
 
I'm not sure how to respond to this other than YES! you nailed it.:thumbsup
A few things.

First, I think you need to distinguish between Quantum of Solace and Casino Royale. The former is craptastic. The latter is terrific. (Both perspectives are purely my opinion, of course.) The fights in Casino Royal, while brutal and fast-paced are also actually visible. The fights in QoS are just a blur of jumpcuts and sound effects. I'd have preferred large cartoon letters saying "ZOT!" on screen instead.

Second, I think you overlook some aspects of both the character and the performance in at least Casino Royale. I'll grant you that the bulk of QoS was pretty much just Bond looking grim and then getting into yet another incomprehensible action sequence. But Casino Royale is a different animal. Granted, it breaks down much of the Bond conventions we've come to expect, but (A) that's because it's telling pretty much the story of the first Bond novel, and (B) the Bond we'd come to expect by that point was a bloody cartoon character and a far cry from Connery's resourceful, dangerous, debonaire character in Dr. No.

What I think Craig does very well is portray this tough facade in such a way that when he drops it, it's REALLY meaningful. People can accuse him of being emotionless, but I think they misread the performance. Craig's Bond is clearly NOT emotionless. Certainly not if you watch Casino Royale he isn't, and even in some scenes in QoS. But the facade of emotionlessness is what he affects in order to do his job. And again, that comes straight out of the books. Bond is this bizarre combination in the books of passion and restraint, and I see that in Craig's performance.

Again, that's not the "classic movie Bond," but then, what IS the classic movie Bond? Connery? Moore? Brosnan? Most people wouldn't include either Dalton or Lazenby although I enjoy both of their performances and the films both were in.

The "classic" movie Bond, I'd submit, is actually a liability. The films need to remember that, but go beyond it constantly. Because to simply indulge in "classic movie Bondness" is to crank out dreck like Die Another Day, Moonraker, or some of the other overly-quippy/gadget-laden films where Bond is a know-it-all who's never in any real danger. You know. The BORING ones.


That said, I really dislike the "Bourne" quality of the most recent film, especially because of the editing. I don't mind a more physical hand-to-hand Bond who doesn't just rely on "Judo chop!" or "Judo throw!" as his primary fighting techniques. But I HATED the editing in QoS. I'm hoping Skyfall loses that style and goes back to what we saw in Casino Royale.
 
I think the Director tried to get this aspect across to appeal to a different and wider audience, even at the cost of breaking so many things of what Bond had been for over 15 years.

Skyfall makes three different directors for Craig Bond films. Which one are you referring to?
 
I always thought of Roger Moore as "The Saint". When he was cast as Bond, I used to say I was going to see the latest "Saint" movie. Moore was just NOT Bond!
 
He "became" Bond by virtue of his longevity in the role, but, yeah, to me he's the least "Bond-like". Again, my gold-standard is the original novels, though, so that undoubtedly colors my attitudes. There are moments in Moore's films where he gets more ruthless the way the Bond in the books is, but most of the time he's more an extension of the caricature that Connery's Bond evolved into, and he takes it to another level altogether.

It's strange. I think most of the actors who played Bond could have done the role greater justice, but they were, in my opinion, limited by the conventions of the role. Ultimately it took Mike Myers pointing out the goofiness (in an affectionate way) to really highlight how the films had strayed into cliche territory. I mean, when you're making a film and the only thing distinguishing it from an Austin Powers flick is the degree of violence and potty humor, you've gone too far from the source material. Die Another Day, at its worst, was like this. At its best, though, it was pretty bad-ass, which is why it's such a WEIRD film. It can't decide if it wants to be gritty and tough, showcasing Bond as a driven, grim agent furious at his government for selling him out....or another romp of a pseudo-comedy.

That's why I like the newer films. At least they pick a direction and go with it, instead of veering back and forth. I may not always like that direction, but at least it's clear to me. (Only trouble in QOS was that the action WASN'T clear at all...)
 
Actually, usually you can switch it out to suit the position of the camera. Sometimes the shooting space is so wonky you just have to flip the top out. This person appears to be doing it weird though. Might not produce a very definite "snap" and may jerk the board around too much to synch with the sound.
 
They might just be snapping out of habit/because it's fun. If I read that blurry entry right, the sound is being recorded internally and thus there will be no synching required. (They are shooting digitally)
 
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