Prince NEO
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amen :thumbsup
Is Palpatine Anakin Skywalker's father?
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Jannix Quinn
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She probably did Watto as a slave job but didn't want to tell the creepy man she just met yesterday.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
The constant effort to make everything related... makes things more retarded. Soon we'll learn that Chewbacca is in fact Yoda's long lost love child or some crap like that.
thegreatgalling
Master Member
Wait...he's not?:lol
CB2001
Master Member
More like the son of Jar Jar Binks.
thegreatgalling
Master Member
Ha that's awesome.
darthgordon
Sr Member
I definitely don't think that it was Palpatine. If it was anyone it was Plageus or just the Force. I don't think it's Palpatine, because that plan would have been too complicated. Besides, why bother letting him grow up a few years and letting the Jedi take him? Why not start him out as a Sith?
My theory was that Plageus might have created Anakin (knowing of the prophecy) before Palpatine killed him. Not knowing if or where Plageus created him, he didn't know who he was until the Jedi found him.
Or that it was just some Force induced immaculate conception. I personally don't like this one. So I chose to believe the idea above.
My theory was that Plageus might have created Anakin (knowing of the prophecy) before Palpatine killed him. Not knowing if or where Plageus created him, he didn't know who he was until the Jedi found him.
Or that it was just some Force induced immaculate conception. I personally don't like this one. So I chose to believe the idea above.
Solo4114
Master Member
Not only that, but the plan is so convoluted and intricate that it's even MORE far-fetched to believe that "everything went as I planned it" when he ends up blowing it so completely in the end. Like, he could manage ALL of that, but he couldn't (A) suss out that Leia was Luke's sister, and (B) that Anakin would turn on him and kill him if he tried to turn or kill his son? But EVERYTHING else just fell perfectly into place?!
CB2001
Master Member
He had plans for short-term events (i.e. the "prequels"), but not for the long term (the "originals").
Normally, most people have a 6 month plan, 1-year plan and a 5 year plan to accomplish goals. He basically accomplished his goals in the "prequels" and didn't think about setting goals after that. :lol
Geniepants
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It's one of my favorite scenes in ROTS. I like seeing Palpatine being his manipulative self, so when he mentioned being able to manipulate midicholrians to create life, to possibility of him somehow being involved in Anakin's conception entered my mind. I will say that I'm glad they never actually answered the question in canon, and I hope they never do. Sometimes it's best to leave us guessing.
Lutso
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This is a very good approach. Perhaps I will choose to believe this one.
How much do you guys want to bet that Lucas just threw this crazy line in the movie to screw with us? The guy probably has no idea himself, he just likes to watch his fans pick apart every minute detail like Piranhas...
I liked ROTS the most of the PT as well.
Here are my thoughts.
For an acting class on myths and archetypes last year, we were assigned Joseph Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces, which Lucas used as a foundation for much of the story.
The Hero with a Thousand Faces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think it's definitely possible his intent was to create a cyclical hero's journey. One of the primary stages of the "hero's journey" is an atonement/facing off with the father. This happens to Luke in ROTJ - it could be the same case with Vader if Palpatine was his father in one way or another.
It may be a bit contrived, but so is all of Star Wars. I think it makes it more interesting when the characters all connected like that. Seems more epic, in my opinion.
Granted, it can go overboard, but I don't think this idea is too far fetched.
Too bad Christensen wasn't able to pull off the performance to make it matter at all, though.
Here are my thoughts.
For an acting class on myths and archetypes last year, we were assigned Joseph Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces, which Lucas used as a foundation for much of the story.
The Hero with a Thousand Faces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think it's definitely possible his intent was to create a cyclical hero's journey. One of the primary stages of the "hero's journey" is an atonement/facing off with the father. This happens to Luke in ROTJ - it could be the same case with Vader if Palpatine was his father in one way or another.
It may be a bit contrived, but so is all of Star Wars. I think it makes it more interesting when the characters all connected like that. Seems more epic, in my opinion.
Granted, it can go overboard, but I don't think this idea is too far fetched.
Too bad Christensen wasn't able to pull off the performance to make it matter at all, though.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Actually... it kills the epicness. It's so overly stupid when you think about it that everyone is related to everyone and everything is because Palpatine willed it so. It makes everything banal and retarded.
Solo4114
Master Member
I don't think the original stuff is contrived, as much as it is mythologically structured. Certainly the first two films, anyway. The hero is a nobody, a literal "farm boy" who is told he has special powers. He's helped by a kindly old man (who it is revealed was once a powerful warrior). He's wounded in his journey and must eventually learn that strength is not enough to defeat his enemy (who also happens to be his father), and that he must use his mind instead. And so on, and so forth.
Where things go a bit wonky and start taking a turn for the contrived is when it's revealed that Leia is his sister. And that just starts us down the whole path of "Look!! Everyone's CONNECTED!"
Part of what that does is rob the heroic nature from many of the characters. Han Solo and Chewbacca are these two scruffy nobodies on the fringe of legal galactic society, but they become heroes in helping Luke destroy the Death Star. By making it clear that, well, actually, they were ALWAYS heroes because Chewie was best buds with Yoda and fought in Clone Wars and blah blah blah, they make these otherwise unimportant figures WAY more important. The same goes for the 3PO/R2 connections. Instead of being otherwise unimportant automatons, it's revealed that 3PO was CREATED by Darth Vader, and that R2 was ALWAYS the droid that everyone used to do important crap.
Where things go a bit wonky and start taking a turn for the contrived is when it's revealed that Leia is his sister. And that just starts us down the whole path of "Look!! Everyone's CONNECTED!"
Part of what that does is rob the heroic nature from many of the characters. Han Solo and Chewbacca are these two scruffy nobodies on the fringe of legal galactic society, but they become heroes in helping Luke destroy the Death Star. By making it clear that, well, actually, they were ALWAYS heroes because Chewie was best buds with Yoda and fought in Clone Wars and blah blah blah, they make these otherwise unimportant figures WAY more important. The same goes for the 3PO/R2 connections. Instead of being otherwise unimportant automatons, it's revealed that 3PO was CREATED by Darth Vader, and that R2 was ALWAYS the droid that everyone used to do important crap.
thegreatgalling
Master Member
I respectfully disagree that R2 and Threepio were either intended or were actually minor in SW cosmic "significance." ANH actually quite deliberately used the droids to anchor the story and it's about them as much as it is Luke. (read on the Behind the Magic guide that Lucas' friends told him to introduce Luke in the opening scene to establish him earlier and Lucas disagreed telling them it was the Droids who actually drove the story. (And they do).
Also, isn't R2 majorly shady in ANH? I think Episode III provides a lot of context and depth to him.
I could have taken or left Chewbacca as a general. It just was cool to know a little more about him and if a battle did take place on his planet, it's not too far off to think he'd be involved some how. His connection to Yoda didnt really change much either. Some make it seem that Chewie would have more knowledge of the force in ANH or of Jedis, but not really. You get the impression Yoda's presence is more of command and consultation than that superstitious hocus pocus.
Also, isn't R2 majorly shady in ANH? I think Episode III provides a lot of context and depth to him.
I could have taken or left Chewbacca as a general. It just was cool to know a little more about him and if a battle did take place on his planet, it's not too far off to think he'd be involved some how. His connection to Yoda didnt really change much either. Some make it seem that Chewie would have more knowledge of the force in ANH or of Jedis, but not really. You get the impression Yoda's presence is more of command and consultation than that superstitious hocus pocus.
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Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Doesn't make them major or of any importance. In fact, Lucas stole the idea of having the story revolve around the insignificants from Kurosawa.
They are meant as the story telling device: to show all these great people and great events through the eyes and experiences of these lowest possible important characters.
So, I don't see your point that because the story centers on them that they are important or of any real significance. They were a dime a dozen and it could have been any droid sent off to find Ben... and we'd have followed them instead. And 3PO was just hitching a ride off the sinking ship... so... he's even less important than R2.
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