Iron Man 3 (Post-release)
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DuneMuadDib
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What are they missing the rights to beyond Spider-man that's important to the overall story? X-men weren't part of it and 3/4 of the FF weren't involved. They'd have to simplify some of it anyway to work in a two hour format, they could easily excise Spider-man from the story and/or give the flip-flop to someone else.
msleeper
Sr Member
Well I totally don't want to derail this into a Civil War film discussion, but I will say I also disagree that the reason it won't happen is because Marvel doesn't own character rights. I'm assuming Kevin is talking about Norman Osborn, but if IM3 shows us anything, Marvel is happy to not stick to the comics page for page. If they wanted to do it, they could pull it off without Osborn. But, it won't happen because the superhero movie bubble will likely collapse before there would be a justifiable reason for hero registration to even be a thing.
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
Guess it's been a while, I don't remember Osborn in Civil War. Whatever the Skull arc was afterwards (Invasion?) would require him though.
Funny you should mention the bubble bursting on superhero films, I just read an article the other day speculating that it's due soon. Hopefully not before Avengers 2. I'd lay odds it'll be Justice League unless WB/DC gets their act together with making films people will pay to see.
Funny you should mention the bubble bursting on superhero films, I just read an article the other day speculating that it's due soon. Hopefully not before Avengers 2. I'd lay odds it'll be Justice League unless WB/DC gets their act together with making films people will pay to see.
msleeper
Sr Member
DC is never going to pull off an Avengers, they don't have anybody with the chops. Go look at Kevin Feige's filmography, Marvel was grooming him and his team from the first X-Men. They sold Spider-Man and X-Men and Fantastic Four to fund Marvel Studios, all the while having their people involved in the production through good and bad to learn what needs to be done to make a successful superhero blockbuster. Yeah, it sucks we don't have those characters in the MCU, but Marvel learned from the failures of X3 and the FF movies and the half dozen other flops to produce the most successful - critically and financially - movie franchise to date.
DC hasn't done anything similar, and nobody at WB knows what they're doing. Christopher Nolan isn't interested. If, and it's a huge if, we ever get a JLA movie, at best it will be a financial failure even if it is well received.
DC hasn't done anything similar, and nobody at WB knows what they're doing. Christopher Nolan isn't interested. If, and it's a huge if, we ever get a JLA movie, at best it will be a financial failure even if it is well received.
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
Which is exactly why I'm betting that if a JLA movie happens it'll burst the bubble. The second Avengers turned a profit DC/WB decided they had to get a piece of that and get a JLA movie going without building up to it as thoughtfully as Marvel has. They've made how many profitable movies starring someone other than Batman in the past 20 years? Green Lantern tanked, Returns disappointed, and they don't have confidence in any other JLA hero to carry a solo film. A big reason Man of Steel got made was to hold onto film rights during a particular round of the Superman court battle, and last I checked any future JLA film is on hold until they see how Man of Steel does. That doesn't sound optimistic on their part.
I need to go see this film again and see how I feel about it. I had fun, but I didn't love it. Avengers was sort of the same to me. It was a heck of a lot of fun, but I didn't lose my mind over it like so many others. I guess the paint-by-numbers comic book plot didn't wow me. IM3 just felt more like "Tony Stark, remote control mechanic" than I'd have preferred. It was a welcome change to not have more guy-in-suit vs guy-in-suit stuff. Maybe I'm just getting jaded, I wanted to like the film more than I did.
I need to go see this film again and see how I feel about it. I had fun, but I didn't love it. Avengers was sort of the same to me. It was a heck of a lot of fun, but I didn't lose my mind over it like so many others. I guess the paint-by-numbers comic book plot didn't wow me. IM3 just felt more like "Tony Stark, remote control mechanic" than I'd have preferred. It was a welcome change to not have more guy-in-suit vs guy-in-suit stuff. Maybe I'm just getting jaded, I wanted to like the film more than I did.
MooMooEgg
Sr Member
I was VERY sorely disappointed by this film. There were a lot of little things that bothered me (too much Hogan, fiery extremis henchmen, weird pacing issues), but my god, I can't forgive the Mandarin "twist". They took a character that really could have been an intellectual superior to Tony, and basically trivialized the character. Killian's character felt so very generic, especially since numerous aspects of the character were used for Stane, Hammer, and Vanko.
The Mandarin's character deserved so much better. It almost seemed like Tony was going to become overly obsessed with finding him after Hogan was almost killed, and I feel like the ending with him removing the arc would have played better if the writers developed the Mandarin in a way that could have drove Tony to the brink of obsessed insanity and could tear apart his relationships with Pepper and Rhodey. I don't know... I'm just aggravated.
The ending does have me wonder, though... Will Tony take a step back in The Avengers 2, acting as a consultant or tech support, in order to give more screen time to the newer characters of Phase 2? It seems like that may be a good way to keep things less cluttered, especially if all the Guardians of the Galaxy characters make an appearance in the film...
The Mandarin's character deserved so much better. It almost seemed like Tony was going to become overly obsessed with finding him after Hogan was almost killed, and I feel like the ending with him removing the arc would have played better if the writers developed the Mandarin in a way that could have drove Tony to the brink of obsessed insanity and could tear apart his relationships with Pepper and Rhodey. I don't know... I'm just aggravated.
The ending does have me wonder, though... Will Tony take a step back in The Avengers 2, acting as a consultant or tech support, in order to give more screen time to the newer characters of Phase 2? It seems like that may be a good way to keep things less cluttered, especially if all the Guardians of the Galaxy characters make an appearance in the film...
msleeper
Sr Member
Yeah going back to IM3: I think my opinion is a little colored having gone to the marathon. IM3 is so very different from the first 2, and completely different from Avengers (which they also played) that I think the transition was a little jarring. I really want to see it again in a couple weeks, just to get another feel of it with a more fresh mindset before I really decide if I like it or how much. I will say I am really glad they didn't take the usual sequel approach and try to make it biggerer and betterer, something like Avengers, where we have to save the whole world. But instead focused on a self contained story, and a story that pertained solely to Tony Stark. This is why I loved Dredd, because that movie was really small in scope. This was obviously not quite so small, but it would have been easy to take the "up the ante" route like many action franchises have.
I don't care about the action, or lack thereof. I'm not bothered by the Mandarin twist, and in fact was taken totally by surprise by it. I don't care about whether or not they showed certain armors doing certain things. The people who are complaining about that sort of thing come across as immature mouth breathers who just want to see colorful images shown in a sequence and don't care about an engaging story. I mean, yes these are just superhero popcorn flicks and I don't think they have deep cultural meaning. But they do bring more to the table than the sort of Michael Bay cinematic diarrhea that the people who complain about not enough focusing on watching CG fight scenes seem to want.
I don't care about the action, or lack thereof. I'm not bothered by the Mandarin twist, and in fact was taken totally by surprise by it. I don't care about whether or not they showed certain armors doing certain things. The people who are complaining about that sort of thing come across as immature mouth breathers who just want to see colorful images shown in a sequence and don't care about an engaging story. I mean, yes these are just superhero popcorn flicks and I don't think they have deep cultural meaning. But they do bring more to the table than the sort of Michael Bay cinematic diarrhea that the people who complain about not enough focusing on watching CG fight scenes seem to want.
msleeper
Sr Member
My money is on one of three things. One, in Avengers 2 the Avengers have to assemble and something will force Stark to build a new suit. Two, Rhodes will be apart of the team by taking up the Iron Man mantle and/or as War Machine/Iron Patriot. Or three, Pepper will do the same thing and either take up the Iron Man name or properly become Rescue. Now I say this not because I'm a huge Pepper/Rescue fan, but because Whedon has explicitly said that Pepper becoming an Extremis enhancile is going to be important to future films (I'll post the article once I find it).
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
Another thing I forgot to mention. Was anyone else bugged by the lack of S.H.I.E.L.D. presence? I found myself really missing Phil, but I'd have settled for at least a token appearance by another agent or Nick.
msleeper
Sr Member
Well it was said that they didn't want this to be Avengers 1.5, and it's also been said that Winter Soldier is going to be like Avengers 1.5. So I'm guessing they will explain what SHIELD has been doing since Avengers there. The helicarrier got a pretty bad whooping so I'm sure they're licking their wounds. That and extrapolating a little from the Extremis comic as well as Rhodes saying that the Mandarin isn't a super hero problem, it's a US government problems, it felt like Tony thought of this as something he needed to take care of himself.
DuneMuadDib
Sr Member
Plus Tony seemed to be closing himself off a little after New York. Totally makes sense there was no SHIELD presence, just felt odd to not have them there.
It's cute they're trying to pretend that it's not an Avengers sequel though.
It's cute they're trying to pretend that it's not an Avengers sequel though.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
Just got back. Had a lot of fun, and no complaints. I've seen enough of these movies now and I know the drill. There was enough nods to comics to keep my inner fanboy happy, and they made a snappy film with a lot of action and some very funny jokes. Tonally I found it to be right in line with the other movies. It really felt to me like IM1-3 wrap the origin of Iron Man. No baggage left to tie Tony down, he can go be a super hero again. I hope the get RDJ back for a couple more films, but I'm pretty satisfied with how these have been handled.
Punchbuggyblues
Active Member
There's a bit during the end credits recap where they show that broadcast being filmed and the film crew helping the guy up after his "death."
but they show these armours in the Iron Man 3 poster am I wrong? isnt Iron Man is based on a comic, right? either way we are still missing a lot of armors. And please msleeper what have i stated something not fact? Please cite your sources because frankly your seemingly know it all attitude and your constant bashing of people is getting annoying and you sound like an ignorant *****. You have done this in several other threads to several diffenernt people (and I can cite my sources if need be). Shall I start uploading pictures to satisfy you? Also please don't select bits and pieces of my post if your going to quote me you remind me of a certain Senate Arms Comitee netting in IM 2.
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DangerIMMN
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Just in case <<<BIG SPOILER ALERT>>>.
I'll say that overall, the film was good but it wasn't great. They wanted this story to be a bookend to an Iron Man Trilogy, a way way for Tony Stark to go to the next level, for him to get a little more serious, and I think they accomplished that much. But they broke the CARDINAL rule of any sci-fi/fantasy story - you have to set up the rules of the magic/technology and NOT BREAK THEM. I might need to rewatch the show but I didn't feel like they ever properly set up the rules for what the limits of the Extremis augmentation were. At first I thought that it just allowed them to regenerate and have a healing factor, but it created a lot of heat as a by-product/side effect and it was dangerous and unstable so you have guys sometimes exploding at 3000 degrees. So when they show the bad guys trying to cut their way into Rhodey's armor, then Guy Pearce slowly heating up Rhodey's armor, and then later Guy Pearce is literally slicing Tony's armors in half with his bare hands with pure heat, but NOT dying or exploding, I was like "Give me a break." Instead of loving to watch augmented humans go toe-to-toe with suits of high-tech armor (which sounds awesome), I was calling BS. They had set up how awesome and powerful these suits are, and how the Extremis augments were powerful but unstable, but then the Extremis augments are kicking all this ass and I just couldn't buy it.
I did like how central Pepper was to the plot, and I liked Happy's role - that he was doing some things that mattered to the story, that he uncovered the first clue that leads Tony on his detective hunt, I liked seeing all the suits in action (but yes, it would have been nice to see more about their specific uses...), and I LOVED the Mandarin twist, but I was waiting to see him get tied into the Ten Rings that was set up in the first film! Even if it turned into a false trail and they were like "Oh we just used the logo, the real Ten Rings had nothing to do with this." You were good, Shane Black, but... lacking. Hoping that the DVD has a lot of goodies or I won't be adding this to my collection.
I'll say that overall, the film was good but it wasn't great. They wanted this story to be a bookend to an Iron Man Trilogy, a way way for Tony Stark to go to the next level, for him to get a little more serious, and I think they accomplished that much. But they broke the CARDINAL rule of any sci-fi/fantasy story - you have to set up the rules of the magic/technology and NOT BREAK THEM. I might need to rewatch the show but I didn't feel like they ever properly set up the rules for what the limits of the Extremis augmentation were. At first I thought that it just allowed them to regenerate and have a healing factor, but it created a lot of heat as a by-product/side effect and it was dangerous and unstable so you have guys sometimes exploding at 3000 degrees. So when they show the bad guys trying to cut their way into Rhodey's armor, then Guy Pearce slowly heating up Rhodey's armor, and then later Guy Pearce is literally slicing Tony's armors in half with his bare hands with pure heat, but NOT dying or exploding, I was like "Give me a break." Instead of loving to watch augmented humans go toe-to-toe with suits of high-tech armor (which sounds awesome), I was calling BS. They had set up how awesome and powerful these suits are, and how the Extremis augments were powerful but unstable, but then the Extremis augments are kicking all this ass and I just couldn't buy it.
I did like how central Pepper was to the plot, and I liked Happy's role - that he was doing some things that mattered to the story, that he uncovered the first clue that leads Tony on his detective hunt, I liked seeing all the suits in action (but yes, it would have been nice to see more about their specific uses...), and I LOVED the Mandarin twist, but I was waiting to see him get tied into the Ten Rings that was set up in the first film! Even if it turned into a false trail and they were like "Oh we just used the logo, the real Ten Rings had nothing to do with this." You were good, Shane Black, but... lacking. Hoping that the DVD has a lot of goodies or I won't be adding this to my collection.
That's completely uncalled for.
No what's uncalledd for is the constant bashing and talking down to people. The things she says to people about what they post is rediculous. She does this to several people all the time on multiple threads and frankly its old. She sees me spewing false information and its annoying? Spewing? Really? There's a proper way to talk to people and that's not it. What have I posted that's false? I simply ASKED where the armors were. As stated in the earlier review of the movie I stated I don't follow the comics. So it was simply a question. Anyway I have said my peace now let's move on...
Did you really expect to see all 42 armors?
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