Interesting article on new xbox

[Solo4114]

Oh, and I'll just leave this here.

Don Mattrick's First Draft of the Xbox One Update Announcement - Dorkly Article

 

[jmgrice]

I still dont see why they had to turn around and get rid of everything. Could easily have had best of both as others have said.

And yes. A media home that also plays games cool. (A pc?) But its not is it. It was at e3! It shouldnt have been a console competitor if they dont want its priority to be gaming. Just an advert would do. Hi. Im xboxone. And im a pc! Hardly the future if its already here.

Its a darn shame they arent pleasing both sides when they easily could.
Just remove the region lock and compulsary check in ms! Thats all most people gave a crap about anyway! if they would make games cheaper which I still dont believe as theyve always been expensive on live then people would move over voluntarily.
Still bandwith cap issues etc but people could chose. They clearly dont think its the future. just to abandon it. Rather then alter it. Least ill get to play halo yay

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[Jeyl]

Oh, and I'll just leave this here.

Don Mattrick's First Draft of the Xbox One Update Announcement - Dorkly Article

Was this whole thing in favor of Xbox One's DRM?

 

[Wes R]

Oh, and I'll just leave this here.

Don Mattrick's First Draft of the Xbox One Update Announcement - Dorkly Article

The sad thing is that he came off as such a tool in that one interview that i wouldn't be shocked if the first draft really didn't look like this.

 

[Solo4114]

I still dont see why they had to turn around and get rid of everything. Could easily have had best of both as others have said.

And yes. A media home that also plays games cool. (A pc?) But its not is it. It was at e3! It shouldnt have been a console competitor if they dont want its priority to be gaming. Just an advert would do. Hi. Im xboxone. And im a pc! Hardly the future if its already here.

Its a darn shame they arent pleasing both sides when they easily could.
Just remove the region lock and compulsary check in ms! Thats all most people gave a crap about anyway! if they would make games cheaper which I still dont believe as theyve always been expensive on live then people would move over voluntarily.
Still bandwith cap issues etc but people could chose. They clearly dont think its the future. just to abandon it. Rather then alter it. Least ill get to play halo yay

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My understanding is that both the region lock and the daily check-in are gone now.

But really I just think this whole thing was an abject failure of marketing. This should've been launched at CES with a different name, rather than E3 under the Xbox lineage. Then at E3 you launch the X720 which ends up being a marginal increase in graphical performance over the 360 (just like the PS4 over the PS3), and...that's that. No media center functions, etc. Same basic box architecture, but two different product lines. Like a BMW 5 series vs. a 3 series or whatever.

It's really mindblowing how they dropped the ball with the marketing on this.

Jeyl,

Yeah, basically. Or rather, more about the absurdity of (A) Mattrick's approach to "PR" and (B) the XB1 without all the media center stuff being basically just a 360 with better graphics.
Wes,

Same here, really. Or at least I could see that being something he drafted internally with no intention of sending out (not that I think that's really his work). That guy should never be allowed to speak in public again. You might as well hire Lisa Lampanelli to be your spokesperson, since at least she's what some consider funny when she's busy insulting people.

 

[jmgrice]

My understanding is that both the region lock and the daily check-in are gone now.

But really I just think this whole thing was an abject failure of marketing. This should've been launched at CES with a different name, rather than E3 under the Xbox lineage. Then at E3 you launch the X720 which ends up being a marginal increase in graphical performance over the 360 (just like the PS4 over the PS3), and...that's that. No media center functions, etc. Same basic box architecture, but two different product lines. Like a BMW 5 series vs. a 3 series or whatever.

It's really mindblowing how they dropped the ball with the marketing on this.

@Jeyl,

Yeah, basically. Or rather, more about the absurdity of (A) Mattrick's approach to "PR" and (B) the XB1 without all the media center stuff being basically just a 360 with better graphics.
@Wes,

Same here, really. Or at least I could see that being something he drafted internally with no intention of sending out (not that I think that's really his work). That guy should never be allowed to speak in public again. You might as well hire Lisa Lampanelli to be your spokesperson, since at least she's what some consider funny when she's busy insulting people.

Yeh they are. Or at least that's whats been said. I just ment they didn't need to undo everything. Couldn't agree more on the whole PR thing

 

[Wes R]

Same here, really. Or at least I could see that being something he drafted internally with no intention of sending out (not that I think that's really his work). That guy should never be allowed to speak in public again. You might as well hire Lisa Lampanelli to be your spokesperson, since at least she's what some consider funny when she's busy insulting people.

Sadly i doubt MS' staff would have the sense of humor to enjoy her making fun of them. They should get don rickles to do it lol

 

[Solo4114]

Sadly i doubt MS' staff would have the sense of humor to enjoy her making fun of them. They should get don rickles to do it lol

Oh, I just meant that they'd hire her to deride their potential customers the way Mattrick has. I seriously think that his "PR" efforts created a LOT of the backlash that we saw in all this. They might've been able to ride this out if you didn't have him going on camera and saying "Don't like it? Buy an X360 then."

 

[Wes R]

Yeah i read it wrong but knowing her she'd take shots at MS too. This is PR job even beat the terrible Mass effect 3 debacle.

 

[Forsaken]

Have a good read!

Lawful Interception means that government agencies can, without your permission, begin tracking your Skype conversations.
Calls can be covertly recorded and used against you in any circumstance. It is legal, it is frightening and it is coming
to a voice over IP application near you.
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CALEA (Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act), states that all telecommunications operators must enable their
hardware and software for surveillance tracking.
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Now ask yourself some questions!
Does this law apply to Kinect and its ability to tie all your internet interactions to a single device?
Can Kinect be used to gather private information?
Can the Kinect infrared camera be used to snoop?

If you love Kinect and view it as non problematical, great for you, buy it, use it, be happy an enjoy it.

I’ve spent many years without the internet and am well capable of surviving without it.
As long as Kinect is attached to the system I will mot buy it.
Time for me to get back enjoying the Real world Microsoft, GONE FISHING!

Al

 

[Wes R]

If MS doesn't lose that part of things a lot of folks won't buy it. i know i wouldn't for myself or for my kid if i had one. I'm not even that worried about the feds snooping it's someone hacking the things like they do webcams that worries me.

 

[Lord Boron]

My biggest problem with the Kinect (other than i dont want a camera and microphone in my living room) is that there is no reason why, if I can turn it off, that it must be hooked up. I don't want to have to find a place on my already crowded entertainment center for something I don't want. And what if it breaks (it's Microsoft, so you know it will....). No my console won't work without it, so will I have to run out and spend $100+ to replace something I don't want or use, just my console will work

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I'm sure that, initially, it wouldn't have made a difference. But look at Amazon. They basically broke the back of the brick-and-mortar bookstore and music store industry. My recollection is that they started off a couple bucks cheaper than the stores, but gradually ratcheted down the price to the point where they fundamentally shifted the cost of things like CDs and DVDs across the industry. My point is that when you don't have as much overhead for things like pressing discs and shipping boxes, you don't have to charge as much, and -- more to the point -- you can't justify charging as much. Plus, MS would've been in competition with all the other streaming/downloadable retailers like Amazon, Steam, Gamestop, Gamersgate, not to mention the publishers like EA, Ubisoft, etc.

If it's down the road before you saw savings, then where are they? Steam started on the PC 10 years ago and the price has actually gone up. They have a big sale every summer, but that's it. It's the same price to buy a game on Steam as you pay at Best Buy. The cost savings of not having a box, manual, and disc never materialized because they realized people would still pay $60 to download the game. 10 years is waaaay beyond the life cycle of a console or the average PC.

 

[Wes R]

Game system companies could do it now. You look at xbl and the ps store and unless it's a rare super sale (which they do have) you're paying out the nose for a new game even if it's a download. It's the same price no matter what. They're just using Steam as an excuse to shove crap down people's throats. Xbl is way overpriced on even games made just for download.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Oh, and I'll just leave this here.

Don Mattrick's First Draft of the Xbox One Update Announcement - Dorkly Article

I LOLed. That is kinda my take on it.

Here is an article that I think will bear out in the end, well before all is said and done.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/20/44...entually-revert-their-game-ownership-policies

 

[Scareb]

I'm actually surprised that MS hasn't forced Don Mattrick to resign at this point. The guy seems inept at everything he does.

 

[Wes R]

I'm actually surprised that MS hasn't forced Don Mattrick to resign at this point. The guy seems inept at everything he does.

I am too considering the one guy who said "deal with it" was removed a few days later. Then again Mattrick is high up so they have to vote to remove him and all this other horse crap. I'm sure the stockholders and board of directors aren't happy with him that's for sure. Goes to show you don't get to be in a spot like him by being a pleasant person.

 

[JoMamma_Smurf]

I LOLed. That is kinda my take on it.

Here is an article that I think will bear out in the end, well before all is said and done.
Opinion: Microsoft and Sony will eventually revert their game ownership policies, what matters is how | Polygon

So that article says almost exactly what I said but now you believe it because that website said so??

 

[Solo4114]

I LOLed. That is kinda my take on it.

Here is an article that I think will bear out in the end, well before all is said and done.
Opinion: Microsoft and Sony will eventually revert their game ownership policies, what matters is how | Polygon

Yeah, that's roughly where I come out.

DRM and streaming and platform-side control (a la Steam) will eventually win out. But the sorta good news is that it won't win out without sweetening the pot.

Things that have made me accept always-on/DRM type stuff are:

- Low prices. This is probably the biggest. Make it cheap enough, and I don't care that I'm actually "renting" the game in essence. Hell, I only paid $5 for it. (or however much)

- Convenience. This, I think, will have to wait for further penetration of broadband and wifi networks. But if I didn't have to either buy a gajillion GB HDD to store my games, or juggle them around, I'd be delighted to just keep gobbling up this or that game. I mean, I kinda already do with Steam. I have a TON of games that are "backlogged" for me. Associated with my account, but not taking up space on my HDD. And I've yet to play a lot of 'em.

- Other goodies. No idea what this would be but, say, more free content, or free services. Make my XBL Gold subscription worthwhile. Gimme free crap. Free movies, free music, free games now and then, whatever.


The way I see it, this round, MS either figured that both console companies would do the same thing, in which case consumers would "deal with it" or stop buying consoles altogether (which they figured was unlikely), or they assumed most people wouldn't really have a problem and would see the Steam-like analogy and be all "Whatevs. Cool new graphics!!"


That or they assumed that people who aren't gamers and are looking for a family media center would be paying attention to E3. 'Cause that makes a ton of sense...

But anyway, this is basically what I've been saying. There is MASSIVE incentive for console creators and game producers to shift away from the "ownership" model of gaming (which, again, let's be clear IS NOT OWNERSHIP AT ALL). But they haven't yet figured out how to do what Steam does, which is to hit a price point that makes people say "Yeah, that's cheap enough to make it worthwhile."

 

[Lord Boron]

Word has it that the"family sharing" plan was in fact a glorified demo mode.

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