Indiana Jones (Disney+ series)

...I truly don't see a lot of good coming from continuing everything indefinitely though.

This.

Let's be even more frank since we're on the topic: Indy cannot exist past his three films. It just can't happen. He's so of a particular time and place; his very character reflects that! I love the character because of this. Raiders was a celebration of a bygone film tradition of a bygone age, even for the 80's, and his movies were made in the vein of them by people that remembered watching them as kids. We are now 40 years removed from something that was already 40 years removed by the time Raiders was released, and there is no one in modernity that remembers the old Republic serials with fondness. There's too much of a separation between filmmakers/audiences and what those films are paying homage to. I mean, see how much was lost in just making Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Neither antagonist or McGuffin were any of real threat or interest past The Last Crusade (and arguably since Raiders) and placing Indy outside of "classic," pulpy, romantic adventure flounders. So he is stuck either repeating the past in diminishing returns, or he is made to do more outlandish, unbelievable things which undermines his humanism. It cannot work out in the long run.

Indy is not like James Bond and I think the comparison is flawed. Bond can exist in any time because there will always be a need for clandestine operations carried out by nations with their own respective agencies and operatives, and that loose premise is enough to keep Bond alive no matter the political climate. He can be reinterpreted to suit whatever age he needs to work in. Indy cannot. Indy exhausted his premise after Raiders. An archeologist is recruited by the government to find a paranormal relic before the Nazis do. Done. What and when does he need to do anything remotely as interesting after that? The original sequels, as much as I love them, even struggled with their answer. In Temple of Doom, he's a roguish mercenary/tomb-raider that inadvertently gets caught up looking for rocks (that do much of nothing in retrospect), and Last Crusade essentially repeats Raiders but on a smaller scale. Because of these things, Indy is forever locked in a specific amber of early 20th century cultural pastiche.

Finally, Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones! There was no one more perfectly cast to play him other than Ford at the time, in which he was at his utmost peak. He exudes a confident, natural machismo, animal charisma that so evokes the attitude of classic male leads these movies were paying homage to. Backed by acting chops honed in years of working as a minor contract studio player, and sculpted from the ideology of 'naturalism' that existed in the 60's and 70's, Ford has all the training for a character actor but possesses the traits of the strong leading man, and that powered his career until he aged out. It's a rare thing for actors to have and even rarer in today's climate. It's not a tall order for someone to fill Ford's boots as Indy (nevermind the vacuous, charmless Chris Pratt) because no one else can be Indy. Indy works not as an idea, like Bond does, Indy is a fully-formed and very specific character. It is the very thing that hinders him and makes him great.
 
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Idk, part of me would like to see it (if done well), part of me says no to any Indiana Jones who isn't played by Harrison Ford.

If they do a live-action series, I'd like it to be set in or around the 1940's. It just seems like the right age and era for the character. I don't have any interest in a spin-off of Mutt Williams or Short-Round or any other ancillary characters. Also, no gender swapping the character, please. I'm not against more prominent roles for women, or even the occasional woman picking up the mantle of a male character, but it's being overdone right now. Inclusion is great, but it's okay to keep some things the way they were. I think studios are missing the target audience of some of their properties, overestimating female viewers and underestimating males in an attempt to get everyone to see their movies and shows. I don't think it's misogynistic to think it's okay to make things that appeal more to each gender. Not everything has to be for everyone.

That said, I think a strong female co-star should be inculded as well. Marion Ravenwood was a great companion to Indy, and I think it would work well to have a similar woman to pair with Indy. Not necessarily 100% of the time, mind you. Indy has to face things alone sometimes.

I'd also them to cast an actor who looks and acts something like Ford. I don't think Chris Pratt quite fits the bill for me, but I could imagine he might be able to do it. I guess I'd rather see someone less famous get the role, someone less recognizable who doesn't have a lot of big credits. That would probably help the show's budget, too, as Disney + has shown some inconsistencies in quality with their Star Wars and Marvel shows thus far. Don't blow the budget on a huge name and be left with nothing but obvious "LED Volume" sets instead of real-world locations. The locations matter just as much to the tone of the show. I think I remember the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles got that part right, as they did film in exotic locations.
 
For all of the "Harrison Ford IS Indy, and no one else can or should be," there were just as many saying the same thing when Sean Connery quit Bond.

But even though some of the future Bond movies were stinkers, I'm glad that the series continued, and in doing so provided us with a much larger Bond universe than would have existed if they'd quit just because Connery was ready to hand in his license to kill.

I'll keep an open mind that the same is at least possible with Indy.
 
IMO recasting the role is a smaller problem than the narrowness of the setting. Indy requires the early 1900s to work right.

Any earlier, and Indy becomes a pure swashbuckler rather than an archeologist with modern motives.

Any later, and the world has gotten too small. The whole planet has been explored and the tech exists to deal with all the obastacles.
 
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I hope writing Indy out of the timeline or changing the actor is not true, but it's par for the course nowadays. You always see fans still saying "Oh they will never do that (majorly change characters or story) because the franchise depends on the money it makes!" and that's just not true anymore. We've seen many franchises now where whoever is running it or writing it is perfectly content to completely change things according to their ideology even if they know the fans will hate it. Then they intentionally leak those changes to see the reaction and then preemptively say the fans are toxic before it's released. That way they can stop the criticism beforehand knowing it will have awful reception from fans.
 
It's easy to imagine a powerhouse like Disney, with all the tech it owns and develops, bringing back Indy with a de-aged Ford.
The tech isn't there quite yet, but it's getting there really fast.

Within the next decade, sooner than later, a studio will get it just right. That'll open the floodgates to start producing new 007 content with Connery, new '66 Batman episodes with West and Ward, new original ST episodes with Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, Nichols, Doohan, etc, Superman with Reeves, Gilligan's Island with the entire cast, and on and on and on.

Certain estates will be appalled at first and refuse to be part of that new revolution, but residual checks will eventually have them reconsider.

Massive repercussions are on the horizon for the entertainment industry. And not just for on-screen talent. I had lunch with someone a few days ago who had knowledge about AI writing. The conversation spilled into screenwriting. It was interesting, to say the least. I wouldn't say screenwriters are on the verge of extinction, but I have a feeling there will be a lot less of them.
 
I had lunch with someone a few days ago who had knowledge about AI writing. The conversation spilled into screenwriting. It was interesting, to say the least. I wouldn't say screenwriters are on the verge of extinction, but I have a feeling there will be a lot less of them.

I always wondered what with how movies are essentially assembly-lined now, just how close were the big-wigs to making an algorithm where they just punch in the kind of movie they need made and computers just generated the whole thing top to bottom. That would be the dream for the corpos. *cough*Disney*cough*

It is a genuine hellscape out there what with everything else you mentioned.
 
Like I stated in the other thread, doing another "young indy chronicles" with Harrison as old Indy could work. COULD work.
However judging how they seem to be going with the Indy 5 film:
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I always wondered what with how movies are essentially assembly-lined now
Now? They were like that from the 1930s to the 1960s (before the Counter-Culture Movement in Hollywood that created the New Hollywood period). Unfortunately, now, we’re right back at what is essentially the 1960s, where they’re catering to groups by releasing sequels (back then, it was the surfing teen genre and sequels to Gidget being released), and the studios having to deal with TV vs. the movie theater issue that’s been going on since television was first introduced to the general population. We certainly need a second Counter-Culture Movement and a second New Hollywood period. Because things aren’t working the way they are.

But we’re off-topic. Sorry about this reply.
 
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The Kathleen Kennedy thing has come up, my guess is her tenure is up once the new Indy film is released. Hence why it's been delayed even before 2020 and the unspecified virus of unknown origins was a thing. Her contract was renewed even with the infighting and behind the scenes shenanigans. Could be a contractual thing with the film and her grasp on the reigns attached to it. The rewrites and such for the new Indy film, it could go either way. We're to ge a de-aged Indy and Indy nearing the age to see Star Wars in the theater, both in the same film.

All that could play into a new Indy series if, ... If by some odd chance eyes and minds were unveiled to what does and doesn't work, what fans do and do not want, and the profits it brings. Hence new leadership that's learned from past mistakes. Will allow content to be created not puppeteered...

And this is what we get...
 

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6 different endings were apparently met with a pathetic 35% approval rating from test audiences.
The one consistency in every ending variation is that Indy dies and Phoebe Waller-Bridge inherits the whip and fedora becoming the new face of the franchise.
 
A Genndy Tartakovsky animated series.

Or...

What this artist produced a few years back
If it had good writing, and decent voice talent, I could get behind this. Maybe. As long as it wasn't made 'for children'.


6 different endings were apparently met with a pathetic 35% approval rating from test audiences.
The one consistency in every ending variation is that Indy dies and Phoebe Waller-Bridge inherits the whip and fedora becoming the new face of the franchise.

I think based on the rumors we can guess who the lead actor will be.
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If that happens... if they dare kill off Indy as has been rumored... there will be no forgiveness. Not for KK, not for The Mouse or LFL. (And Ford's legacy will be tarnished too, for allowing it to happen. He's not "just an actor" in this. At least when they trashed Luke Skywalker, Mark Hamill made it as publicly known as possible what his feelings were, especially when Favreau brought him back in the Mandalorian.)

I saw Raiders when it came out at a matinée showing with my mother. I remember scrounging pennies from everywhere to buy the Temple of Doom graphic novel when it came out, running around in a straw hat with a Weeping Willow-branch as a whip. Just thinking about the Raiders theme gets to me.

With the total trashing of Tolkien's work by Amazon, and what has been done to Star Wars and Star Trek, I'm starting to feel that red line being crossed with Indy. Like the classic Captain Picard meme "This far, no further!"

"But they're just movies."

No. They. Damn. Well. Are. Not.

They are cultural treasures that helped us dream and imagine grand adventures as kids. They are inspiration incarnate. They help us through tough times. And for some of us, they even inspired our careers. (I wouldn't be a writer/designer today in video games if it weren't for Lucas, Spielberg, Reitman, Roddenberry, Tolkien and countless others.)

Sorry gang... but this one has me as worked up as "Answer the Call" did, haha.
 
I mean...since this is a character supposedly born in 1899, he would have died SOMEHOW by the year 2023, right? We know this character wouldn't still be alive in our time. That being the case, it actually doesn't bother me if they depict this on screen, especially if Indy as we see him on screen has made it into old age.

It would be completely different if this movie were taking place in the 80s, and they killed off a middle-aged Indy with many more adventures left in him.
 
Not fond of spoiler tags are we? This is why I hate the internet.
Is it really a spoiler if they are only rumors? (Not trying to antagonize, just asking.) I mean, until the film comes out... all this stuff... even the "I have confirmed this with several sources inside X Movie Studio" is just "fan talk". Knowing what happened to Luke, Han and Leia at the hands of KK, Abrams and Johnson... it doesn't take much imagination to wonder if Indy will meet meet a similar fate.

This situation has gotten so bad that I actually want spoilers before I spend one second watching Indy 5. I need to know that they won't kill off or otherwise denigrate Indy in the movie. I've seen enough childhood heroes die unceremoniously, discarded without respect or honor.

So in this case, those rumors might do some good, if they are spread enough. If, by some slim chance, word reaches Bob Chapek that killing off Indy will result in a financial disaster, then all the better. (Some have suggested that the long delay of Indy 5 is due to exactly that... they're careful of messing up the franchise completely.)
 
Is it really a spoiler if they are only rumors? (Not trying to antagonize, just asking.) I mean, until the film comes out... all this stuff... even the "I have confirmed this with several sources inside X Movie Studio" is just "fan talk".
Absolutely it is, as it was stated as a fact, not as a rumor. And it's not a minor plot point either, like...I hear the plot may involve A/B/C, or the mcguffin may be X/Y/Z.

I get that some folks actually WANT spoilers so that they can decide if some story element exists that would cause them to avoid the movie. I'm not saying not to post them. Just do the decent thing and spend the 5 extra seconds it takes to spoiler-tag major spoilers.

I'd planned to exit this thread as the movie approached, but we're still 7 months out from release date...way to early for folks to just be throwing out the ending of the movie with no tags, like..."Whatever...this is how it ends:xxxxx."
 
Absolutely it is, as it was stated as a fact, not as a rumor. And it's not a minor plot point either, like...I hear the plot may involve A/B/C, or the mcguffin may be X/Y/Z.
Well, it's actually not a fact until the movie is out and contains said event, no matter how much someone says it is. Until that time, it's just speculation. (The exception being perhaps if KK or someone came out and said it...)
 
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