joberg
Legendary Member
There's not a "Best Before Date" on a re-shoot in Hollywood
Indiana Jones 5 officially announced
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I had read that they were testing a few endings already, that on one liked.
Was it just two different versions, or more?
But now this rumor of filming another. Doesn't sound too good.
Maybe they just need him riding a horse in the sun set, but then a nuke goes off, but this time theres no refrigerator around....
Was it just two different versions, or more?
But now this rumor of filming another. Doesn't sound too good.
Maybe they just need him riding a horse in the sun set, but then a nuke goes off, but this time theres no refrigerator around....
VonMagnum
Sr Member
Or they could have him open the Ark and look inside....
I know I left my hat somewhere.... Oops. Marion...I think I just looked at the ark.... Got a candlestick holder for my face?
Opening the ark, while riding the horse with a nuke going off, and somehow the Holy Grail appears and he doesn't actually die, so some random aliens come and aduct him instead....
Ok, I better stop before someone at Disney finds this thread and we end up with Indy 6 after all....oh boy....
cboath
Master Member
I'd counter that by saying a lot of blue screens and miniatures take people out of it just as much, and sometimes more than CG. Even in some of the original IJ flicks, there's some bad backdrops used with blue screens. I can't think of many miniature scenes with IJ off the top of my head, but i've seen plenty that really pull me out of stuff as well.
The point of FX, whether it's practical or CG is to allow you to do things you wouldn't be able to do otherwise. The challenge to the director is to not do things that could not ever be physically done just because you can fake it - like flinging a 20ft whip in a 10 ft room...
cboath
Master Member
IJ 6, the Return of the Clone
cboath
Master Member
For whatever reason, my head never goes to ToD
VonMagnum
Sr Member
The Temple of Doom sounds so generic.
Indiana Jones and the Cave of Seriously Serious Sorrow
Indiana Jones and the Bountiful Barrels of Pork.
Indiana Jones and the Pitiful Pit of Pith
Indiana Jones and the Dangerous Dungeon of Disaster
Indiana Jones and the Green Guillotine of Gangrene.
Indiana Jones and the Mystery of the Magic Mountain of Mirrors
Indiana Jones and the Duke of Dork (Duane Dibley)
Indiana Jones and the Pontificating Pancake Eating Bishop of Bile.
Indiana Jones and the Cave of Seriously Serious Sorrow
Indiana Jones and the Bountiful Barrels of Pork.
Indiana Jones and the Pitiful Pit of Pith
Indiana Jones and the Dangerous Dungeon of Disaster
Indiana Jones and the Green Guillotine of Gangrene.
Indiana Jones and the Mystery of the Magic Mountain of Mirrors
Indiana Jones and the Duke of Dork (Duane Dibley)
Indiana Jones and the Pontificating Pancake Eating Bishop of Bile.
somerset fox
Sr Member
You’d be surprised how late reshoots can be before release. I was an extra working on Rogue One in the October when they were filming the Vader force kill scenes, and the movie opened two months later.
That last minute add-on really saved the film.
For whatever reason, my head never goes to ToD
At 00:35 secs, is that the original ANH escape pod, sitting behind his head?!?
Zuiun
Sr Member
Not true at all (the late in the game part). The era of Hollywood filmmaking we are currently in budgets and schedules for reshoots up until pretty late in the game. And considering the film doesn't come out until next Summer, this isn't really all that "late" at all.
It's really frustrating that we are now in a time where a subset of fan culture has turned feral and toxic and serves no purpose but to **** on their fandom. There is clearly a group of "fans" out there who are determined to hate this film no matter what, and what's more is they are determined to make everyone else hate it, too.
Sadly, their tactics tend to work and the general fandom gets spooked at the slightest rumor.
The fact is, almost every single big budget Hollywood movie these days goes through reshoots. There are tons of reasons why this may be. Maybe a plot point needs more clarity. Maybe a side plot isn't working and removing it requires additional filler scenes for the main plot to fill the gap. Maybe the tone is off and something needs to be redone.
I'm absolutely certain that had it been common practice to rely more on reshoots back in the days of the first three films, that tweaks would have been made.
Basically, I'd be honestly shocked if this film WASN'T getting any reshoots regardless. Judging them to be any kind of indicator, good or bad, is nothing but pure speculation.
When would people say this shift occurred?
I suppose my first introduction to the concept of reshoots, and fiddling with the film up until the last possible second, was probably Lord of the Rings.
Did that kickstart the trend, or was it already going by then?
Zuiun
Sr Member
I don't know that there is a hard line for when this happened. It's likely that technology has made it easier for studios to schedule reshoots, and the shift has been gradual. Editing films has gotten faster with a digital workflow (even if shooting on film, editing has gotten easier with digital editing systems/software) and the special effects pipelines have been diversified, so the workload isn't falling on one effects house anymore, which makes late stage changes more viable.
But really, changing films at the last minute is not in any way a new thing. Famously, George Lucas didn't like a few things in the initial 70mm print release of Star Wars, and so he made a few changes before the 35mm prints were sent out for a wide release. Granted, it wasn't on the scale of reshoots, but the precedent of still making changes to a film even right up to the wide release has been around for awhile. It doesn't always signify a disaster (but sometimes a poor test screening will cause a major change).
Reshoots and last-minute changes have always been a thing.
But shooting a whole new ending 9-10 months after the end of production? That's still not very normal AFAIK. This movie has been delayed for literally a couple of years now, between star injuries & studio decisions & Covid issues. There isn't much excuse for the movie to be needing major changes at this point. And I doubt they would be calling John Williams back for a new scoring session if the changes were minor tweaks.
As for fans bashing this movie -
If Disney doesn't want people drawing conclusions about the movie from a snarky Youtuber in a cheap mask, then they could always release something tangible (in the trailers/photos/etc) that disproves a few of his rumors. Unless maybe they can't do it, because all of his tangible info has been correct . . .
The fans have plenty of valid reasons to doubt this movie. That's not bashing, it's thinking rationally. From Harrison's age, to the casting of PWB, the long delays, the bad net rumors, to the lack of counter-evidence against the rumors, etc. And the executive producer of this Indy flick has been making Star Wars movies that lose money.
But shooting a whole new ending 9-10 months after the end of production? That's still not very normal AFAIK. This movie has been delayed for literally a couple of years now, between star injuries & studio decisions & Covid issues. There isn't much excuse for the movie to be needing major changes at this point. And I doubt they would be calling John Williams back for a new scoring session if the changes were minor tweaks.
As for fans bashing this movie -
If Disney doesn't want people drawing conclusions about the movie from a snarky Youtuber in a cheap mask, then they could always release something tangible (in the trailers/photos/etc) that disproves a few of his rumors. Unless maybe they can't do it, because all of his tangible info has been correct . . .
The fans have plenty of valid reasons to doubt this movie. That's not bashing, it's thinking rationally. From Harrison's age, to the casting of PWB, the long delays, the bad net rumors, to the lack of counter-evidence against the rumors, etc. And the executive producer of this Indy flick has been making Star Wars movies that lose money.
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CB2001
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I think the ending of A Nightmare on Elm Street was a reshoot.
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Bigdaddy
Master Member
The burden of proof lies with the party making the claim, even when they're snarky YouTubers in cheap masks with a bloated sense of self importance.
I'm certainly a fan of the IJ trilogy and there's nothing wrong with offering critiques but man...this movie has been delayed for years, never sounded like a good idea in the first place. I gave that opinion years ago and moved on. How long can grown men cry over their lost youth behind a crappy mask to get attention? It's time to put on the big boy britches, there's got to be some bigger problem to focus on in life rather than whining about a stupid entertainment company constantly.
I'm certainly a fan of the IJ trilogy and there's nothing wrong with offering critiques but man...this movie has been delayed for years, never sounded like a good idea in the first place. I gave that opinion years ago and moved on. How long can grown men cry over their lost youth behind a crappy mask to get attention? It's time to put on the big boy britches, there's got to be some bigger problem to focus on in life rather than whining about a stupid entertainment company constantly.
. . . says the guy on a movie prop replica forum.
At least Doomcock is making a bit of money while he rants about movies on Youtube. Heck, I'm on this forum ranting about movies for nothing.
If the movie is any good then Doomcock won't make it fail. If the movie is bad then it won't be Doomcock's fault. Whatever. He's not my hero, but neither is Kathleen Kennedy or Bob Iger.
This is a beloved franchise. The new movie has been long-delayed and it's a very quiet production. Doomcock is basically fulfilling the role of an investigative reporter on this, once you look past the snarky delivery and op-eds. His info leaks have been consistently accurate (at least for this movie). He always clarifies whether he is speculating himself or repeating something from another source, and gives an estimate of how much he trusts a source, etc. Credit where it's due. He hasn't gotten so much traction for nothing.
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