Indiana Jones 5 officially announced

IMO the Bond franchise is the movies now. The Ian Fleming books are source material, but it's been decades since they were the big defining form of the thing.

Harrison = Indy, like what might have happened if Connery had been the only actor to play James Bond from 1962 all the way up to 2008. The problem of replacing Harrison now . . . I think it's just a more potent version of what happens when a single actor plays him for several movies. It's not impossible to replace him, but it's a big challenge and it may not be worth the effort.

IMO the bigger challenge at this point is the setting. We all know Indy just works better before WW2. He needs a world that still has vast uncharted places to explore.
 
The question that nobody seems to be asking is: What would a truly new Indy franchise earn, in today's market, without any of the big titans that made the old ones?

The old Indy movies were all-star collaborations. Not only Harrison Ford, but also Steven. George. John Williams. Frank Marshall. Etc.

Even aside from that, many of the iconic hits in the 1970s/80s would struggle now. The original Star Wars ANH would be out of theaters in a few weeks in the 2020s (if it got made at all).


In 1981 'Raiders' was a low-budget genre movie that was carried out bigger & better than it had any right to be. You cannot just repeat that today and have another monster hit machine. Not like it was.

IMO trying to re-launch 'Indy' today is harder than people realize. It's less like recasting James Bond, and more like trying to make "Solo: A Star Wars Story" work. IMO the latter would have been a fondly-remembered hit if it had been made in the 1970s (with either Harrison or Alden in the lead). But today it's a mediocre movie that disappoints people. They had to recast an icon with a noob + expectations were too high for the movie overall.
 
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Indy was an era. Create a new property for action, adventure, fun. The issue these days is creative depth is cement shoed by agendas and identity politics. That's not Indiana Jones. For the fictional character universe of Indiana Jones those types wouldn't survive an opening scene. Just the facts ma'am.
 
IMO the Bond franchise is the movies now. The Ian Fleming books are source material, but it's been decades since they were the big defining form of the thing.

Harrison = Indy, like what might have happened if Connery had been the only actor to play James Bond from 1962 all the way up to 2008. The problem of replacing Harrison now . . . I think it's just a more potent version of what happens when a single actor plays him for several movies. It's not impossible to replace him, but it's a big challenge and it may not be worth the effort.

IMO the bigger challenge at this point is the setting. We all know Indy just works better before WW2. He needs a world that still has vast uncharted places to explore.
Maybe there'll be an Indiana Jones multiverse or even better a "What IF" series. That way we can see the same stories played out with slightly different elements, scenarios and endings over and over forever. That'll make the fans that just want repetition ad nauseam ecstatic and answer pressing questions like what if Elsa was a redhead?
 
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The question that nobody seems to be asking is: What would a truly new Indy franchise earn, in today's market, without any of the big titans that made the old ones?

The old Indy movies were all-star collaborations. Not only Harrison Ford, but also Steven. George. John Williams. Frank Marshall. Etc.

Even aside from that, many of the iconic hits in the 1970s/80s would struggle now. The original Star Wars ANH would be out of theaters in a few weeks in the 2020s (if it got made at all).


In 1981 'Raiders' was a low-budget genre movie that was carried out bigger & better than it had any right to be. You cannot just repeat that today and have another monster hit machine. Not like it was.

IMO trying to re-launch 'Indy' today is harder than people realize. It's less like recasting James Bond, and more like trying to make "Solo: A Star Wars Story" work. IMO the latter would have been a fondly-remembered hit if it had been made in the 1970s (with either Harrison or Alden in the lead). But today it's a mediocre movie that disappoints people. They had to recast an icon with a noob + expectations were too high for the movie overall.

This is the crux of the problem with trying to "reinvent" or trying to make endless sequels. We all know about the lack of creativity and that any shred of artistic integrity of a property is not a concern for Hollywood, so setting that argument aside for a moment I think you raise a fair point. I mean if we're talking about the business aspect of all this and the current culture of demand, it's clear this type of movie has long past expired demand from the public. Not as a genre, but as a specific property. Who is honestly clamoring for more Indiana Jones adventures from a marketing perspective? Some die hard fans might, but they aren't the target audience for this. Hollywood is interested in getting young people's money so why try and milk an outdated property to do it? Indy just doesn't sell anymore with kids because it's not the 1980's. They couldn't do it in 2008 with Crystal Skull and those toys languished in bargain bins for years. To a kid alive now, Harrison is ancient. What kid wants to see their grand father running around beating up Nazis? A group of evildoers they have no clue about. We are just too far removed from that era in history and only adults would understand it.

Their hope is to draw in the old audience with the name recognition and the slight hope that they'll drag their children to the theater and garner new interest with their kids. The fickle interest of children and young adults is simply not a smart move to bet on. I find it staggering that this is the gamble that Hollywood wants to make rather than finding new talent in the form of wholly new content. Make new genre films, absolutely. Just don't resurrect old properties and instead invent new ones. This is why I'm always harping on that their system itself is out of date. They're relying on a business model that doesn't even meet their own needs and it's why the streaming services have decimated their box office returns for years now because Hollywood is far behind the curve. I think they've forgotten what a genre is and hold to this idea that a franchise IS a genre rather than finding new story tellers who actually understand the difference.

Sure people will love an adventure movie but as you said, the draw of Indy back in the day was the powerhouse of talent and creative influence in their production. The cast, the director, the music. Those names hold a place of distinction in the minds of my generation but to the new generation they don't and the reason is because back in their heyday they had a wealth of content that delivered entertainment but from a totally different perspective. Young people today don't care whatsoever who George Lucas or Harrison Ford, Steven Spielberg, or John Williams are. Plus think about the movies that surrounded Raiders back in the day. It came only a few years after Star Wars when Harrison was at the peak of his career and was released in the middle of those original films, years before Return of the Jedi was even released.

Star Wars literally wasn't even over yet and riding high on that success only further cemented him as a blockbuster icon when Raiders came out. You had Blade Runner, and Alien, and all of these incredibly well loved films by directors and actors which became iconic because they were taking chances and telling stories no one had seen or heard before. Now Indiana Jones and Star Wars don't stand among the same peers. They stand with Marvel movies and DC movies, and the millions of new types of shows that streaming services offer and by comparison are outdated because their sensibilities are slow paced and quaint from the perspective of the information age. Those offerings from back in my childhood weren't filled with cynicism. They were optimistic and now everyone is jaded and contrarian. They're looking to subvert and send a political message rather than offer an escape from reality. Indiana Jones was created as a respite from all that and seemingly all Hollywood wants to do is mire us in it. Which is exhausting at best and tarnishes the legacy of the property at worst.

Indiana Jones as a film franchise is literally from a different era. Not just narratively but as a movie in the film industry. In the perception of a film producer and a teenager it's a dinosaur. I keep bringing up the analogy of the high school football star who can't do anything but recount their glory days. Sometimes you just have to let it go. That goes for fans as much as it does for Hollywood. That shouldn't diminish your love for it. Letting go just lends it some dignity. Something Hollywood is happy to exploit if you let it.
 
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I have a theory that Aliens take our best and brightest when they feel they have peeked and replace them with a copy, hence the copy is not as "sharp."

James Cameron- Obviously taken after Titanic. Then the copy made Dances with Blue Aliens that Sexually Assaults Animals.

George Lucas- Obviously taken after Last Crusade. Prequals, KOTCS. Need I say more.

Spielberg- Taken after Minority Report, escaped with rage after seeing his copy make KOTCS and then the original made Lincoln and then was taken again. Maybe the original made Bridge of Spies and The BFG, but he be gone after that.

J.J. Abrams-To my surprise his Star Trek was great. Then he was obviously taken and I think they made a really bad copy. Star Trek Into Darkness, new Star Wars, etc.

Okay just having some fun after being sick for nearly two months and finally better so no one get all offended, or do.
 
I hope you're feeling better now!


I am. Seven week battle with Covid and it has sucked but I am nearly 100%.

I am 50 years old, Type 2 Diabetic, but I have lost 60 pounds over the last few years. 30 to go and hopefully I will no longer be Diabetic. Having Diabetes put me in a tough group for Covid. Regardless of opinions about how it has been handled having it for me was horrible. My wife and kids all had it and were not even as sick as when they get a regular cold and only felt a little bad for a few days.

I live three minutes from my parents and have not seen them for nearly two months as I wanted to be sure not to pass it to them.

Get healthy everyone.

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