I'm OUT of the 501st!

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<div class='quotetop'>(Sandtrooper @ Aug 13 2006, 09:16 AM) [snapback]1299447[/snapback]</div>
Im with Badd Blood...Ive been out for a long time now, yet, my pics and profile are still on our Garrison board....why??

Derek
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Derek, please e-mail or PM me your request for removal from the online database and I'll see to it immediately. Thank you. :)
 
<div class='quotetop'>(Sandtrooper @ Aug 13 2006, 03:41 PM) [snapback]1299608[/snapback]</div>
True they do alot for the community, but the 501st needs some restructuring on the inside for it to look good on the outside.


Derek
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Like others have said, there's plenty of blame to go around. Some FORMER leaders who deserved blame are no longer in charge and there has been a complete turn around for the LCO, LXO, CoTG, LMO, etc... what more would you suggest for restructuring?

Should the newer staff be blamed for previous leader's shortcomings? I wouldn't think so.
 
The only thing i will say about this is.. Much like are government and the RPF it's itself theres alot of stuff you dont know about. Just because it hasnt happend to you or you have not seen it with your own eyes dosent mean it didnt happend or it hasn't. Like everything theres alot of good and bad and more offten then not alot of bad.

I see no problem with custom costumes i think they are wonderful and breath a little extra life in to the costumes them selfs. How long befor you have to fit the bill to be Vader? or a trooper for that matter
I stand 5'11 and wear enough lifts in my boots to bering me to 6'4 or 6'5 But i also wear a body suit under my vader costume to Fill it out the way it should be. I go the extra mile.. Unlike a lot of vader's.
I am retering my vader for the fact of all the extra work that go's in to it...
But i dont see how it's fare to shut out Customs?

I guess no one will care till there comes a day when they say well we have to many fat vaders
and ewok sized troopers :lol
 
<div class='quotetop'>(GundamZeppelin @ Aug 14 2006, 09:04 AM) [snapback]1300136[/snapback]</div>
The only thing i will say about this is.. Much like are government and the RPF it's itself theres alot of stuff you dont know about. Just because it hasnt happend to you or you have not seen it with your own eyes dosent mean it didnt happend or it hasn't. Like everything theres alot of good and bad and more offten then not alot of bad.

I see no problem with custom costumes i think they are wonderful and breath a little extra life in to the costumes them selfs. How long befor you have to fit the bill to be Vader? or a trooper for that matter
I stand 5'11 and wear enough lifts in my boots to bering me to 6'4 or 6'5 But i also wear a body suit under my vader costume to Fill it out the way it should be. I go the extra mile.. Unlike a lot of vader's.
I am retering my vader for the fact of all the extra work that go's in to it...
But i dont see how it's fare to shut out Customs?

I guess no one will care till there comes a day when they say well we have to many fat vaders
and ewok sized troopers :lol
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I also don't think that Customs should be 100% shut out, as long as they look like something from the STar Wars universe. Custom mondos look great, in my book.

As for My own costume, I do Vader because I am 6'6", and with the padded bodysuit, Well, I look damn good.
As a stormtrooper, well, Erm. I'd look really really foolish. I do, and will, try to fit my body type into an appropriate costume. That said, I don't think someone should be told 'You can't be a biker scout until you lose 50lbs.' THAT would be a sad day indeed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>(SHalamar @ Aug 14 2006, 01:56 PM) [snapback]1300231[/snapback]</div>
As for My own costume, I do Vader because I am 6'6", and with the padded bodysuit, Well, I look damn good.
As a stormtrooper, well, Erm. I'd look really really foolish. I do, and will, try to fit my body type into an appropriate costume. That said, I don't think someone should be told 'You can't be a biker scout until you lose 50lbs.' THAT would be a sad day indeed.
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Im with you there Mark, the bottom line is that no matter what trooping and costuming is all about having fun. Once the fun is gone, the desire to continue doing it goes as well.
 
ok, I'll risk asking.

and so, with all the references to height,

How tall should Vader be....in armor?

Prowse was 6-feet 7-inches.....right?

I always got a sense that Vader was 7-feet tall,
based on his first appearance in 1977.
and lifting the Rebel Officer into the air.

I am 6-ft 4-in, and about 6-5 in TK-armor,
and thought, that would go good with 7-foot Vader.

(yes, it is awkward to be taller than Vader when it happens)

but then presenting a visiual look for a film
is different than in person?
 
Don't forget Bob Anderson wore the Vader "stunt suit" and was much shorter than Prowse. So according to the movie, Vader's height varied by what he was doing :lol And Hayden Christiansen required prosthetics and camera tricks to realize that greater height.

I think the consensus is that Vader is 6'7"-6'8" in armor.

As for the custom costumes, I agree that well-made customs should be recognized, however I think it becomes a slippery slope when there is little to no reference material to base a decision off of. What if someone decided their Mando wore Nike tennis shoes into battle? Or wore a combination of TIE buckets and clone chestplates? I could see a major pissing contest developing between camps whether a costume can be considered "quality" or not.
 
<div class='quotetop'>(IanL @ Aug 16 2006, 07:50 AM) [snapback]1301446[/snapback]</div>
As for the custom costumes, I agree that well-made customs should be recognized, however I think it becomes a slippery slope when there is little to no reference material to base a decision off of. What if someone decided their Mando wore Nike tennis shoes into battle? Or wore a combination of TIE buckets and clone chestplates? I could see a major pissing contest developing between camps whether a costume can be considered "quality" or not.
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It should be about Star Wars fandom and not about which snooty prick can spend the most on their costume. Is it true that you guys don't allow Rubies $1k Vader costume?
 
Actually, with most of us it isn't about who can spend the most on their costume. I know several people (myself included) who are more than happy to help fans build costumes that are resonably priced (though you must remember this is an expensive hobby) and still meet the quality requirements the 501st is based on.

Unfortunately due to descisions Rubies made in the materials they used in the Supreme Vader Costume (particularly in the soft parts) it does not meet those requirements. It has nothing to do with trying to snub someone, it has to do with having a set of requirements that all members must meet, and without work the Rubies costume not meet those requirements.
 
<div class='quotetop'>(IanL @ Aug 16 2006, 08:50 AM) [snapback]1301446[/snapback]</div>
As for the custom costumes, I agree that well-made customs should be recognized, however I think it becomes a slippery slope when there is little to no reference material to base a decision off of. What if someone decided their Mando wore Nike tennis shoes into battle? Or wore a combination of TIE buckets and clone chestplates? I could see a major pissing contest developing between camps whether a costume can be considered "quality" or not.
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I've got a custom mando and I don't think they should be allowed in the 501st. As much fun as it is to wear, the slippery slope factor definitely comes into play. I don't see the need for Legion "recognition" of the Mando costume anyway. Most garrisons have no problem trooping with them unless it's an official LFL event.
 
I'm for stricter standards AND including goofy EU costumes. Before you start scratching you head in confusion, let me explain:

I've been thinking about all these issues off and on for some time now- here are my ideas of how to make the 501st as all-inclusive as it can be while at the same time maintaining strict standards. I'd like to get Dean and Skaught's thoughts on this too- they may know reasons that these ideas wouldn't work.

Open membership to everyone who has a Star Wars costume- EU, comics, video games, custom Mandos, etc. HOWEVER, everyone should be made aware up front that only cannon costumes will be allowed at formal events: Parades, hospital visits, theater appearances, LFL events, etc. Granted, there would be very few events left that wouldn't be formal (right now only cons come to mind), but that's how it has to be. Those with the non-cannon costumes could attend the events with just a 501st shirt, etc., perhaps in another capacity- helping others with their costumes, etc. Which brings me to my next thought...

Open membership to anyone who can contribute to Star Wars costuming- not just folks who can WEAR a costume. There are plenty of people out there with costuming skills, but can't (or SHOULDN'T- you know what I mean) be wearing a given SW costume. These folks could be included under some other designation- 'costumers', or 'costume assistants', etc. Haven't we all needed an 'assistant' at some event putting ourselves together? The membership criteria could be to show proof of something you have made that fits the genre. Some of these folks would probably even be interested in putting together a 'kit' for the garrison or squad that would be brought to events- the kit would include parts and supplies needed for emergency repairs, etc. I have acted in this capacity for movie and tv productions as well as Disney costume events, and it can be just as fun as being in costume.

Opening the membership like this would also allow the 501st to include those who are still working on their costumes- a great many people want to get in specifically to access the resource of experienced members so they can complete their own costumes. For those working toward a completed costume, there could be a different designation such as 'trainee', 'recruit', etc. Again, there would have to be some criteria for membership that demonstrates a relevant skill in costuming.

It seems to me this could aleviate the charade of people throwing together a shoddy costume just to gain entry- I think this is where a lot of the Nike-wearing custom Mandolorians and the like come from.

I began thinking about this concept over the past few years while building costumes for Disney's Star Wars Weekends (as well as fans)- during this time I have had scant time to actually put on a costume myself and participate, even though I have maintained my 501st membership. I building Star Wars costumes year-round and was essentially contributing to 501st events without actually 'trooping'. Although I missed wearing the costumes myself, there is also something to be said for having somebody else wear what you make- being able to actually see your work in action when its finished. I started to think there were others who could vaulable assets to the 501st in the same way.

This kind of thing also relfects how other organizations work- take the Boy Scouts for instance- there are plenty of 'members' of the organization who are not 'boy scouts' themselves; parents, volunteers, paid employees of the national organization, etc. They are all heavily involved in the organization in some sort of supporting role without being a 'scout' themselves.

Maybe I'm way off base here; maybe some of these things are being done alread; maybe there are reasons it wouldn't work. I'd like to hear some feedback.

Mark
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<div class='quotetop'>(Gytheran @ Aug 16 2006, 10:04 AM) [snapback]1301480[/snapback]</div>
It should be about Star Wars fandom and not about which snooty prick can spend the most on their costume. Is it true that you guys don't allow Rubies $1k Vader costume?
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Donald beat me to it, but yeah the Rubies Vader isn't that great of a costume. At least not out of the box. With a few upgrades and a new paint job it's workable but when I did my Vader I found it cheaper to go the GT route with just the Rubies bucket(which I'll be upgrading soon anyway). Luckily I haven't met any snooty pricks in the SL area so far. They're just trying to maintain a certain level of quality IMO.




Love the car by the way. I've got an '02 GT with those same wheels.
 
<div class='quotetop'>(Bradleyfett @ Aug 16 2006, 09:52 AM) [snapback]1301520[/snapback]</div>
Open membership to anyone who can contribute to Star Wars costuming- not just folks who can WEAR a costume. There are plenty of people out there with costuming skills, but can't (or SHOULDN'T- you know what I mean) be wearing a given SW costume. These folks could be included under some other designation- 'costumers', or 'costume assistants', etc. Haven't we all needed an 'assistant' at some event putting ourselves together? The membership criteria could be to show proof of something you have made that fits the genre. Some of these folks would probably even be interested in putting together a 'kit' for the garrison or squad that would be brought to events- the kit would include parts and supplies needed for emergency repairs, etc. I have acted in this capacity for movie and tv productions as well as Disney costume events, and it can be just as fun as being in costume.

Mark
TK 0001
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Not sure if this is the proper venue to discuss 501st policies, but I agree with Mark on this point. I've only been a member for several months (9 I think), but I was very frustrated by some of their policies in the beginning. I think a tiered system could work well for the group and perhaps encourage more people who feel intimidated by the whole process finally join up. I realize that the 501st is a costuming group, but as the costumes get more and more elaborate, the need for handlers/photo takers/crowd controllers becomes apparent. There should be a place in the 501st for those who regularly perform these duties but do not have an approved costume. Second, I think those that have a costume should be required to go through a probationary period in which time they spend going to events and learning how the 501st operates. This could separate the wheat from the chaff as far as those people in the group for the right reasons, and those that just have a set of armor and filled out an online application.
 
<div class='quotetop'>(SHalamar @ Aug 14 2006, 11:13 AM) [snapback]1300089[/snapback]</div>
To some people, the 501'st will always be full of nothing but evil baby-eating stormtroopers.
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i've been in this stupid club for almost 3 years and i have yet to get to eat a single baby. this group stinks...
 
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<div class='quotetop'>(SHalamar @ Aug 14 2006, 11:13 AM) [snapback]1300089[/snapback]
To some people, the 501'st will always be full of nothing but evil baby-eating stormtroopers.
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i've been in this stupid club for almost 3 years and i have yet to get to eat a single baby. this group stinks...
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That's because the Command Staff is keeping all the babies for themselves...especially the ones that haven't been baptized yet. :p
 
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<div class='quotetop'>(SHalamar @ Aug 14 2006, 11:13 AM) [snapback]1300089[/snapback]
To some people, the 501'st will always be full of nothing but evil baby-eating stormtroopers.
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i've been in this stupid club for almost 3 years and i have yet to get to eat a single baby. this group stinks...
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That's because the Command Staff is keeping all the babies for themselves...especially the ones that haven't been baptized yet. :p
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:confused Okay, I did laugh, but that's twisted. :lol

@BradleyFett- Well said. I think you have some great ideas there, have you taken them to you CO?
 
<div class='quotetop'>(Bradleyfett @ Aug 16 2006, 02:52 PM) [snapback]1301520[/snapback]</div>
Open membership to everyone who has a Star Wars costume- EU, comics, video games, custom Mandos, etc. HOWEVER, everyone should be made aware up front that only cannon costumes will be allowed at formal events: Parades, hospital visits, theater appearances, LFL events, etc.[/b]

Nice... :rolleyes

It's just this kind of thinking offends every member of the 501st TX Detachment - the EU-only Det in the 501st. The only events we have been asked not to troop are LFL "costume-dictated" events. Practically every other venue has openly welcomed us.

BTW, the TX's were the first Det to openly welcome customs. But I guess that means the end of the world, huh? B)

For those who celebrate the fact that they quit the 501st - Don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out. I stayed in to make a difference - not whine about what I didn't get out of it.
 
ref excerpts from my previous 8-9-06 post.
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Open to information/opinions/hopes on the organization in general.

am hopeful to discover more.

Whether I join or not, my goal is to look for ways to support
The charitable aspects of the 501-st. and make some friends along the way
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ref excerpts from Bradleyfett post
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.......how to make the 501st as all-inclusive as it can be........

.......Open membership to anyone who can contribute to Star Wars costuming

.......allow the 501st to include those who are still working on their costumes.....

.......I began thinking about this concept over the past few years.....

.......This kind of thing also reflects how other organizations work.....
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Thanks Mark,
nice ideas, well crafted.

Your thoughts have inspired me to hope that the 501st can find ways to be more open.
(like many other charitable organizations)

One day,
wouldn't it be great to see the 501st logo among others along the roadside as you enter a town.

up til now, my unclear thought was kinda,
anything that restricts growth.......uh.....restricts growth.

Ed

//edited for spelling//
 
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