How does Anakin bring Balance to the Force?

... So there you go. People are over thinking it.

Isn't overthinking it a compliment here? :lol

How could the Jedi know the Force needed Balanced, and that Anakin could Balance it when the Jedi had no freaking clue who the Emperor was even though they saw him almost every day? Did they know who it was but Palpatine was too strong to beat?




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If it ain't on the screen it don't count.

...which means that "The Clone Wars" CGI series is now canon.

It's even stamped with the GL Saber of Approval.

...and it also means that the live action TV show will ALSO be canon.
 
No. Decades of deception, murder and genocide cannot and should not be forgiven just because he tosses an old guy off a catwalk. Sure, you can say he sacrificed himself to save his son, but dying gets him off the hook for any potential 'good deeds' he could have brought. I spit at his smiling ghost.

It's the Hitler argument all over again. If one of Hitler's top military leaders had finally come to his senses, and seen Hitler for the murdering animal he was, and then KILLED Hitler and stopped future bloodshed.... what would we say?
 
Does one right undo a thousand wrongs?

No. Decades of deception, murder and genocide cannot and should not be forgiven just because he tosses an old guy off a catwalk. Sure, you can say he sacrificed himself to save his son, but dying gets him off the hook for any potential 'good deeds' he could have brought. I spit at his smiling ghost.

And would decades of good deeds be nullified by an end-turn to evil prior to death?
 
It's the Hitler argument all over again. If one of Hitler's top military leaders had finally come to his senses, and seen Hitler for the murdering animal he was, and then KILLED Hitler and stopped future bloodshed.... what would we say?
Doesn't matter what we say... the powers that be work in mysterious ways.

Also... we'd probably carve him with a swastika on his forehead. At least one guy would. Or they'd be shipped to the US before the USSR got to him and employed him. Oh wait... was that snarky?
 
And would decades of good deeds be nullified by an end-turn to evil prior to death?

For his status, yes. It's easier for people to remember someone as a traitor who used to do good things and be condemning about it. And why shouldn't they? Turning evil just prior death pretty much means that this person nullified every good deed he or she has done anyways.

I think of good deeds as a glass cup and evil deeds as stone. Whether the stone hits the glass or the glass hits the stone, it won't hurt the stone. What I mean by this is that doing good deeds is a lot harder than doing bad deeds and it certainly is a lot more fragile to maintain. When someone does good deeds, that's great, but when they do bad deeds, that tends to take priority in what people think of that person and for good reason.
 
I tend to disregard what George says because, to me, it doesn't make sense. But then that gets into philosophical discussions about the nature of the Force and what "balance" actually means.

Personally, I think the "balanced" aspect is one that George DOES allude to in the films, but one which he doesn't quite explain. Basically, the Jedi in the prequels are the emotionless, stuffy eggheady monks. They don't feel, really. They are "mindful" of the force, but they don't FEEL the force. And they're afraid to because indulgence of certain emotions and passions leads people to the Dark Side. Greed, anger, hate, etc.

So, the Jedi tend to forbid themselves from feeling anything that might lead them down that path. Not only that, but they forbid anything that would be a precursor to THAT. So, no love or marriage, for example.

Then along comes Anakin. Anakin is this walking ball of emotions -- turbulent ones too. He's pissed that he's a slave (or was). He's pissed that his mom died. He's frustrated that the Council won't make him a master. He's deathly afraid of losing Padme and will do ANYTHING to save her. He's got no filter on his emotions at all. He doesn't control them. To the contrary, he pretty much just vents them whenever the hell he pleases.

As he grows in power in the force, he uses his emotion to further his abilities, which makes him even more powerful. And ultimately he's more powerful than pretty much all the Jedi because they're all stuck being so repressed that they can't tap into that side of things without going bad (or so they tell themselves).

Anakin, however, sires Luke. And Luke, as I see it, is the real balanced one. Luke feels his passions, he loves his friends (and eventually Mara -- but that's not in the movies). He can be impulsive, but he also is deeply passionate and -- most importantly -- he doesn't deny himself that passion. He contains it, he doesn't just vent it everywhere, and he doesn't let it rule his life, but he does allow it to exist. Something the Jedi were never really able to do in the Old Republic.

So, ultimately, Luke is the one who achieves the balance with the force, in other words, living in harmony within himself and with the universe at large, and without denying essential parts of who he is.


To me, that's the only thing that makes the experience of the force "balanced." Otherwise, I'd have to go with Burton's analysis that it's all about bringing "peace" to the force and Lucas just picked the wrong word.

Although, honestly, in the end it probably isn't even worth all this work. Lucas told us the answer. We just may not agree with it. Balance to the force, according to Lucas, meant killing the Emperor and destroying the Sith. I don't get how that = balance, but whatever. There's a lot I don't get about the Prequels. There's a lot I think George himself probably doesn't quite get about the Prequels.
 
This is kind of a hot spot for me. I, like some others, say that he "brings balance to the force." when he turns to the Dark side, and helps to kill off most of the jedi, leaving just him, and Palpy, on the dark side of things, and just Yoda, and obi, on the light side of things. This is the point in all of star wars that we are closest to balance.

However, a lot of people (including Lucas himself. :( ) say that he "brings balance" when he throws the Emperor down the shaft. There is no baddies left, and the good guys roll. :( I truly don't see how folks call that balance. I guess some folks just don't like the idea, that he was born to kill men, women, and childran. (but he was.)

I hate the dark side. I think the sith suck, but I have no doubt in my mind that he brought balance, when he killed the jedi.
 
It all goes back to Yoda saying ""And well you should not! For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow." Life NOT death. That's the answer. The Dark Side kills, it doesn't create or help life.
 
For his status, yes. It's easier for people to remember someone as a traitor who used to do good things and be condemning about it. And why shouldn't they? Turning evil just prior death pretty much means that this person nullified every good deed he or she has done anyways.

I agree. :)

Then should not a person who forsakes his path of evil for good be forgiven of his transgressions? For if a man's good works are made to nothing when he falls to evil, then would not man's repentence from evil render his sins to naught as well? Indeed, a changing of heart to walk contrary to the forepath neutralizes the work which has been wrought, just as one who gradually climbs a mountain gains in height the further he climbs, but would suddenly lose all his elevation if he should cast himself off a cliff to fall to the ground whence he began his climb.
 
He did - and he didn't.

They all did bring balance to the force - and they all didn't

The balance is no light and dark. There is no right or wrong.
The balance is when you let the force flow through you without deciding yourself whether the external or internal is right or wrong. It just is.

It's not about ultimate balance - it's about balance in the present moment. (only a sith deals in absolutes ;)

The Jedis are not just light. When they fight they show anger and a will to defeat their opponent. They have been blinded through years of dividing the force into right and wrong. Light and dark.

Point being: If you accept things as they are and don't put a "dark" label on something you will not fight against it and you will not escalate it. You will accept everything as it is => Balance.

When Yoda says he failed when he didn't defeat the sith he would then mean (if he truly is about the balance) that he didn't succeed in eliminating the sith AND himself. Because he is just as much a part of the inbalance as the sith is. Because there is no light and dark. That's an illussion build on for many years that is impossible for Yoda to make obsolete without killing himself and the sith. If he just killed the sith the light would have won because that is what Yoda represents.

The true kicker here I think is that we should look at Luke as a human. Not a Jedi. He isn't raised and trained by Jedis so he is basically just a human being who isn't part of the light/dark show.

The same is Anakin. And its the human part of Anakin, Luke reaches into that undramatically, and not very Jedi like, makes him kill the sith and die as a human.

My pennies :)
 
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He killed most of the jedi at mobius so the sith were not so outnumbered and he killed the emperor.
 
could it be that the balance he brought was Luke?

Luke was neither truely light or dark because he didn't have the same training as the Jedi (a few lessons from Yoda aren't the same as going to live at the academy from the age of 4 ) therefore he wasn't as indoctrinated into the dogma of the Jedi.

He faced his anger and grew past it to save Vader. Something even his father couldn't do.

Luke is the one who is the most "Balanced" practitionaer of the Force, and Anakin was the one who "brought" him into existance
 
Necro post! (Lots of these lately!)

I always saw it as simple as when Anakin's betrayal is complete there are 2 Jedi and 2 Sith left. Balanced.

What happens after is Luke's doing, he removes said balance.
 
as long as this has been revived........

I agree with Orange Blend, there are two of each left when all is said and done. Can't get much more balanced than that.
 
It's not a mystery people. With what Lucas said that the absence of the Dark Side means balance, if you think about it Yoda says "Life creates the Force." The Dark Side DESTROYS LIFE. So there you go. People are over thinking it.

THIS! I never thought of Yoda's words in that way before....The Sith subjugate and destroy life on a whim.......less life...less Force.....imbalance......The Empire DID destroy Alderaan...........

...BUT....Luke destroyed a whole Death Star.......hmmmmm........i'm confused again.....

Rich
 
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