Hero trooper helmets...Green vs smoke tinted

[FETTCLONE]

"you can see the inside of the helmet and it's all sickly green"

Am I the only one mistaking this to perhaps mean the inside of the helmet is green (as in HDPE)? He didn't really specify that all he could see was green.

'Course, if the hero helmets were pulled in ABS I'd just be talking nonsense...
just checked Jez' site and it seems the hero helmets were ABS. As you were, folks...

 

[superrune]

I was trying to show that GREEN lurks in every black.

So a little manipulation or a LOT of mainpulation has the same result - it brings green out in black.

I dont actually care whether the lenses are green or not. Im on the side of in BLACK lurks GREEN.

That's a completely wrong assumption. Every black does not turn into green when it is saturated. The Vader image has a strong green hue all over, it's perfectly evident without even enhancing anything. I'd guess it's due to poor white balance in the camera. Look closely at the trooper images, any other black part of the troopers turn magenta when enhanced - except the eyes.

Just take some time and look properly at all the images I attached earlier - don't get hung up on a single detail (like the end of the blaster). The majority of them show a strong green cast in the eyes that is not there in most other parts of the image. It's very obvious in the first HD image (disregard the warped colours along the top edge). Remember these are just a sample of the green I found, and it's much more obvious if you see it in motion. I can go look for more, but I encourage to do it yourself.

The links are here in case you don't bother going back into the thread:

http://www.superrune.com/offsite/2007/trooper_herolenses_gam3.jpg
http://www.superrune.com/offsite/2007/trooper_herolenses_gam3sat.jpg

Unfortunately this is sort of subjective stuff, which is also dependent on how your monitor is set up. And for those with Photoshop colour pickers it's dependent on how your colour profiles are set up, please using something like Shake or Fusion that doesn't mess up any colours. I think I will quietly leave this argument, before the thread becomes too annoying to the rest on the forum. If you don't see any green - it's of course fine. I just wish you could

Rune

 

[defstartrooper]

It's all very well saying ignore this bit and ignore that bit but the fact is the same green shades seen in the lenses in the ramped up image i can readily find in a number of areas on the same image including in a shadow,vocoder,blaster.
I'm willing to believe the lenses could be green i still dont see those images as conclusive though.
Perhaps you could post some larger higher resolution versions ?

 

[nicklambo]

There are four lights!!!!!!!!!!.....oh...sorry.....wrong argument!:unsure

 

[superrune]

It's all very well saying ignore this bit and ignore that bit but the fact is the same green shades seen in the lenses in the ramped up image i can readily find in a number of areas on the same image including in a shadow,vocoder,blaster.

To me that's just an exercise in frequency probability, or empirical frequency.

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

Agreed - the inept thing was only joke though.

This thread is getting sadder by the post so I shall take my leave.

P.S. The lenses were GREEN!

Anson - my comments were not levelled at your post which were in good humour. Yours was less than 2 mins in front of mine so by then I was in mid flow!.

There were some earlier posts by others which were in the line of....

If you cant see it the way I'm seeing it then your just plain stoopid and wrong and a basketcase and you should go away and learn how to use your computer

....which probably don't help

Cheers

Jez

 

[superrune]

If you cant see it the way I'm seeing it then your just plain stoopid and wrong and a basketcase and you should go away and learn how to use your computer

Sorry if I come off as arrogant. English is not my first language, and I think I might sound arrogant in the way I write. I really apologize if that is the case. Your site is my favourite Star Wars site, and one I check regularily to see what cool news there is on SW helmets. I just want to help contribute to this common knowledge, that's all.

I got two more images for you. First I want to show you my method applied to stunt troopers:

Although this isn't hard proof. It show that you can fish out the green hue on stunts, which makes it probable that the adjustments on the hero's could work.

I did one more pass on the DVD I have at home, and I found a shot where Harrison is holding his helmet upside down - letting light shine into it. The eye is clearly green here:

To be sure this green colour isn't the inside of the helmet, I got a couple of grabs of the inside of the helmets as well - both Hamills and Harrisons. This could mean that the quote from Hamill is not referring to the colour inside the helmet.

Hope this helps I don't have the HD version at home, but I will see if I can find the Harrison frame at work tomorrow.

Rune

 

[defstartrooper]

Well spotted Rune finally a shot that shows green in the lenses without ramping it up heres the same scene from the HD version unaltered :thumbsup

 

[superrune]

Thanks

 

[BactaReality]

Incredible screen grab there! There's like two frames in that part of the film that show light coming through, and because it's such a small area in relation to the rest of the shot, it's easily overlooked. Once again, awesome grab.

 

[StarWars Collector]

It's hard to swallow, but I have to admit it sure looks green. :wacko

Fantastic grab, superrune! :thumbsup

 

[superrune]

Thanks again, guys! It was pure luck that I found that!

I'm betting Lucas never intended the eyes to appear green - that would have been odd in relation to the skeleton black/white design intent of the troopers.

 

[TridCloudwalker]

There is one major thing that needs to be considered that I'm not sure if anyone realizes. There is no such thing as black. It doesn't exist. It is the abscence of everything. The black of space is true black, because it is nothingness.

Black fabric, black paint, black dye, black pigments, etc, are just highly concentrated mixtures of color. Usually green(blue and yellow), or red, but occasionally brown (r,b,y) and blue. Look at some black items under a UV light or under very bright white light, and you can often make out the true color the faux black is made out of.

Now take movie sets. What is one thing all movie sets have? VERY bright light. What you're seeing as green, could just be the natural color of the "black" pigment used to smoke the lenses....then again, they could just be green. I'm not saying one way or another, because frankly, I have no idea. I just thought it important to make this isssue aware.

One other thing to keep in mind is the film stock itself. Very rarely will the film have areas that completely block out the projector light. It's usally just very very dark combinations of the coloring chemicals. What could have been dark grey tinted lenses on set, may have been reproduced as dark green chemical coloring on the film stock.

So unless you have a physical ANH helmet in front of you, in person, there can never be any way find a 100% correct answer to this question using photos and screen captures.

 

[DARKSIDE72]

They are green. :thumbsup

 

[BactaReality]

There is one major thing that needs to be considered that I'm not sure if anyone realizes. There is no such thing as black. It doesn't exist. It is the abscence of everything. The black of space is true black, because it is nothingness.

Black fabric, black paint, black dye, black pigments, etc, are just highly concentrated mixtures of color. Usually green(blue and yellow), or red, but occasionally brown (r,b,y) and blue. Look at some black items under a UV light or under very bright white light, and you can often make out the true color the faux black is made out of.

Now take movie sets. What is one thing all movie sets have? VERY bright light. What you're seeing as green, could just be the natural color of the "black" pigment used to smoke the lenses....then again, they could just be green. I'm not saying one way or another, because frankly, I have no idea. I just thought it important to make this isssue aware.

One other thing to keep in mind is the film stock itself. Very rarely will the film have areas that completely block out the projector light. It's usally just very very dark combinations of the coloring chemicals. What could have been dark grey tinted lenses on set, may have been reproduced as dark green chemical coloring on the film stock.

So unless you have a physical ANH helmet in front of you, in person, there can never be any way find a 100% correct answer to this question using photos and screen captures.

lollollollollol:lol

Man, that's a stretch. I hear what you're saying, but c'mon, enough with the theories guys, just let it go, it's green, nuff said.

 

[Brinn 71]

lollollollollol:lol

Man, that's a stretch. I hear what you're saying, but c'mon, enough with the theories guys, just let it go, it's green, nuff said.

AWESOME! thumbsupthumbsup:thumbsup

 

[defstartrooper]

Not everything in life is black and white bacta or in this case black and green
:lol :lol :lol
As you point out yourself its 2 or 3 frames of footage in a whole movie that show green elements without manipulation hardly concrete evidence though it's certainly persauding.
I think the whole screencap thing has been exhausted though there must be some other evidence out there somewhere surely ?

 

[BactaReality]

Not everything in life is black and white bacta or in this case black and green
:lol :lol :lol
As you point out yourself its 2 or 3 frames of footage in a whole movie that show green elements without manipulation hardly concrete evidence though it's certainly persauding.
I think the whole screencap thing has been exhausted though there must be some other evidence out there somewhere surely ?

True, not everything is black and white, but you can't change the laws of physics captain.:unsure

You really have to understand lighting in order to understand why there are only a few points that the light is able to reveal the color of these suckers.

The only thing I find exhausting is the stubborness of some of you guys, I really feel like I'm on a hidden camera show, and everyone who is in denial is really just trying to get us to think we're crazy.:wacko

 

[defstartrooper]

True, not everything is black and white, but you can't change the laws of physics captain.:unsure

You really have to understand lighting in order to understand why there are only a few points that the light is able to reveal the color of these suckers.

The only thing I find exhausting is the stubborness of some of you guys, I really feel like I'm on a hidden camera show, and everyone who is in denial is really just trying to get us to think we're crazy.:wacko

Thats exactly my point the screencaps by virtue of the lighting angles etc aren't by themselves conclusive it's not denial it's reasonable doubt.
I'm not denying anything.

 

[AnsonJames]

Thats exactly my point the screencaps by virtue of the lighting angles etc aren't by themselves conclusive it's not denial it's reasonable doubt.
I'm not denying anything.

You're just trolling now surely?!

What's it going to take to convince you?

I'm beginning to think you're just contrary...