Hero trooper helmets...Green vs smoke tinted

[BactaReality]

Agreed there appears to be a green tint there but i wouldn't go as far as saying that is proof the lenses are green.
More a point towards the possibility that they were green.
It could be down to a number of things though including a reflection.

That was your response to an unaltered screen cap. :rolleyes


I posted a couple more unaltered images on FISD as well. (recent images on last page). http://www.whitearmor.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=941

You really can't pick and choose theories on this one, it's quite apparent to us imaging experts that these suckers were green.

 

[Sporak]

I accept that stormtroopers have green lenses...I remember as a kid watching SW on the screen (90 times in the theatre) and during the "Move along" scene...getting excited cause we recognized that they were green in one shot....you could see through them...also they were curved.

I don't know about the others though.

 

[AnsonJames]

The screencaps show the lenses as green therefore they MUST be smoke tinted.
It makes so much sense.

Good God.

 

[defstartrooper]

That was your response to an unaltered screen cap. :rolleyes


I posted a couple more unaltered images on FISD as well. (recent images on last page). http://www.whitearmor.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=941

You really can't pick and choose theories on this one, it's quite apparent to us imaging experts that these suckers were green.

Yep that was my response and it still stands that slight hint at green could be for a number of reasons.

I accept that stormtroopers have green lenses...I remember as a kid watching SW on the screen (90 times in the theatre) and during the "Move along" scene...getting excited cause we recognized that they were green in one shot....you could see through them...also they were curved.

I don't know about the others though.

That scenes with sandtroopers all of which wore stunt helmets with flat green lenses.

The screencaps show the lenses as green therefore they MUST be smoke tinted.
It makes so much sense.

Good God.

Check them in photoshop with the colour picker tool none of the hero lids that i have checked of unaltered caps show green elements including the one that bacta is talking about above.
Whereas there are several unaltered shots of stunt helmets that if checked in the same manner show as green.

 

[BactaReality]

I don't need no stinkin photoshop.:lol

For real though, that color picker is like Luke's targeting computer on the death star run, you don't need it. Use the force,.. reach out with your feelings, you know it to be true.

 

[defstartrooper]

I don't need no stinkin photoshop.:lol

For real though, that color picker is like Luke's targeting computer on the death star run, you don't need it. Use the force,.. reach out with your feelings, you know it to be true.

Hokey religions are no match for good software kid :lol

 

[butcherbird]

Jez asked for a gamma adjusted version of a tie-pilot, this is from the FF version of the recent dvd release:

See how you quite clearly can see the eyes through the smoked lenses? And they have no green tint at all?

Here's a theory: what if the Hero lenses were the same as the TIE's above, but due to the problems of transparency with the smoke lenses they just slapped strips of the green acetate used on the Stunt helmets across the backs of the smoke lenses inside the helmet? Seems like an easier solution than forming new green bubble lenses.

Just another idea.

 

[Raffles]

And it does explain Hamill's comments.

 

[lambotour]

Black can look like green depending on how the light hits it.

 

[Emeldahay]

Apply saturattion boost and you have green.

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[superrune]

Here's a theory: what if the Hero lenses were the same as the TIE's above, but due to the problems of transparency with the smoke lenses they just slapped strips of the green acetate used on the Stunt helmets across the backs of the smoke lenses inside the helmet? Seems like an easier solution than forming new green bubble lenses.

Just another idea.

That makes a lot of sense - it can also explain the lack of green tint in the reflections.

Rune

 

[GINO]

I suppose that's possible but I think the most simple answer is usually the right one. Even holding them in front of you, you can't tell they are green unless you let the light shine on them in a specific way.
I believe the same kind of green material for the hero lenses is the same stuff they used for Fett's ESB visor.

 

[BactaReality]

Apply saturattion boost and you have green.

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Sorry guy, but pushing your saturation level to +80 doesn't prove anything. I merely went as far as +8, only to help the visually impaired folks. You won't find this level of color distortion unless you start pushing +70 saturation. You're using the right tool, and the right program, however, you're not really using it correctly. Sorry to ruin it for you guys hell bent on holding onto the dream. I just love the level of denial here, so far we've heard far fetched theories and darker than normal screen caps as well as grossly exaggerated image manipulation, and all in an attempt to change the opinions of others. Nice try.

 

[lonepigeon]

I suppose that's possible but I think the most simple answer is usually the right one. Even holding them in front of you, you can't tell they are green unless you let the light shine on them in a specific way.
I believe the same kind of green material for the hero lenses is the same stuff they used for Fett's ESB visor.

I agree and the smoked lenses seemed the simpler answer without concrete proof of green. As I kept insisting for several days the known lenses had to be tested as well for that to be seriously considered as proof.

I wasn't decided one way or the other, but I'm starting to lean towards green.
If the TIEs were made a month after the Heroes it could explain a lens material change. The apparent "eye" in the TIE shot also leads me to believe the smoked might not be dark enough for closeups.
Maybe they just tinted them with some green rather than replaced the lenses. They don't look as green as the background helmets.

The Hamill comment is not a slam dunk. I know where the doubt comes from, but considering the timing of the comment (Jan '77) I think we have more reason to trust it than not.
Do we know for sure that AA did not provide the stunt lenses? What's the story there? Did he only provide shells? Did he do the deco? (tube stripes, grey paint etc.)
If the Hero lenses were not vacformed than what was the process? I would assume it still involved heating thin sheets of plastic.

BactaReality - I'd suggest you lose the attitude. It's not going to win you any friends around here.

I'm a professional that uses Photoshop every day as well. As I noted in the same scene that was analyzed over and over - the black edges of the bodysuit and the shadow side of the MG-34 also turn green when the saturation is enhanced. Other black areas move towards magenta like the brow trim. We're also looking at reflected color from the set, warm toned set lights, and an already color enhanced Hi Def print. There's a lot of color manipulation going on there. Depending on all of these factors and the slight hue to grey lenses they would also take on some other color.

For everyone who says the color is obvious I ask... What color is Han's jacket on Hoth?
After 27 years Lucasfilm can't even decide between blue or brown.

 

[defstartrooper]

Think you have a little case of denial yourself bacta im not trying to be rude but there has been no definitive evidence posted photographic or otherwise to prove that the hero lenses in ANH are green,
plausable theories yes but not proof.
I'm not saying myself that they arent green or that they arent grey im just looking for some definitive proof either way.
So far though i would have to say the weight of evidence leans toward grey given that the only bubble lenses that are still known to be in existance(in TIES) are grey, the guy that made the lenses says they were grey and his paperwork supports that.
Whilst none of that is proof it seems to me stronger evidence than screen grabs that have been enhanced and whilst some appear to have a slight green hue when actually checked properly dont have any green in them.
Others that have been so far ramped up other elements in the same photo known to be black also show green elements.
Couple that with the fact that stunt helmet flat lenses known to be green filmed in the same lighting conditions with the same equipment and not enhanced at all appear green and indeed when checked show that they are definitely green the evidence doesn't look as strong as you suggest does it ?

 

[GINO]

Chris,
AA did not handle any of the detailing of any of the helmets/armor he provided. What you see stacked outside of his shop is how they were picked up from LFL.
Detailing was handled by a different group. He did say to me that on several occasions that he visited the group who did some of the work as they were near by.
I don't believe that AA had anything to do with the green lenses bubbled or flat and I don't think the green bubbled lenses were vac formed either.

In all honesty, over the years I've flip flopped on smoke vs green. It's not just the screen caps etc... that have brought me to my conclusion. I have made both smoke tinted and green bubbled lenses and examining them up close in helmets, the green ones match much more closely what I see in the films/documentaries when you hold the helmets in your hands and turn them into the light.

 

[bigbaddaddyvader]

I have no idea either way but just wanted to ask one question so forgive my ignorance.Why does everyone throw Mark Hamill's comments out straight away?

 

[Emeldahay]

I was trying to show that GREEN lurks in every black.

So a little manipulation or a LOT of mainpulation has the same result - it brings green out in black.

I dont actually care whether the lenses are green or not. Im on the side of in BLACK lurks GREEN.

You may notice how the browns in the wood turned bright orange - not dis similar to Chewbaccas fur in one of the manipulated grabs.


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[Seeker]

Straigth from the horses mouth.

 

[BactaReality]

I have no idea either way but just wanted to ask one question so forgive my ignorance.Why does everyone throw Mark Hamill's comments out straight away?

I have a feeling that if there was a legit reason, we'd heard it by now.

BactaReality - I'd suggest you lose the attitude. It's not going to win you any friends around here.

If you're referring to my Pulp Fiction quote about pride, I assure you it was all in jest. Sometimes my sense of humor can come off as a bit abrasive to some of you softies out there, I apologize. Just trying to get a rise outta some of you hard heads.:cry

I'm a professional that uses Photoshop every day as well.

Professional photoshop user or not, unaltered screen caps still show green.

For everyone who says the color is obvious I ask... What color is Han's jacket on Hoth?
After 27 years Lucasfilm can't even decide between blue or brown.

Not even the same film, let alone same prop item. You're really reaching on this one, as it seems you're really just trying to cloud the issue with a whole other debate.

I'm also one of the guys who'd seen the original theatrical release several times back in 77' . I also remember later, trying on a stormtrooper helmet a couple times in a couple different toy stores and I distinctively remember seeing green, which surprised me to such an extent that I closely watched the films soon after, only to discover,... guess what, they were green. So apparently the actual actor wearing the helmet as well as tons of other eye witnesses are wrong because a lack of "evidence". I really don't think any of you guys are bothering to actually watch any footage. Sad, really.