Han ANH GK Scope Identified !!! Theory & Lots of Pics

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  1. Parmandilion

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    I MAY HAVE FOUND THE MANUFACTURER!

    I found a golden fly rod made by Compac, which has the word Compac in identical yellow lettering (as far as I can see) as does this scope. It was made in Japan in the 1950's or 1960's. I figure that the odds of there being two manufacturers in Japan with the same name, during an appropriate time period, using the same lettering, and manufacturing sporting/hunting goods is nearly astronomical. So it leads me to believe that the Compac that made this rod (as well as all of those Compac fishing reels on eBay) also made this scope. Here is a pic of the label on the rod...

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    In my research into Compac, I have found that they manufactured primarily fishing goods and may have made cheaper alternative versions of other manufacturer's goods.

    I hope this helps, someone, somewhere. I hate to stick my neck out just to be proven wrong, shamed, and riticuled for trying to help.
     
  2. Lordsandy

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    Very Interesting.......good work!
     
  3. Gytheran

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    Useless post no. 1

    nothing to see here... move along... move along
     
  4. Lordsandy

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    Hey Joe,

    I dont see the change from the VD and movie shots regarding the focus ring and eye piece bell.

    Can you post some pics to illustrate what you mean?

    Thanks,

    Jim S.
     
  5. Gytheran

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    Useless post no. 2

    nothing to see here... move along... move along
     
  6. Lordsandy

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    Joe,

    Guess I will have to watch the film.....

    In the picture above it was my opinion that you dont even see the eye piece....that the portion of scope you see is the section before the focus ring.......

    Maybe I am wrong.
     
  7. Lordsandy

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    Well I was not wrong.

    The distance is the same on both scopes.

    It is the same scope with the different rings.

    If you freeze frame each shot you can see the eye piece come in focus towards the end.

    Without seeing that the slopped section gives you the illusion it is the eye piece but it is not.

    You may have to lighten up the TV screen a touch also.

    Jim S.
     
  8. Stormy320

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    Gytheran,

    There is no doubt that Lordsandy has found the right scope, or at least a version of the one used in the film. The eyepiece on the end is the most prominate feature of the scope and Lordsandy's is dead on. I would check all the references.
     
  9. Gytheran

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    *... I don't know where the hell I got that one from. Lordsandy... you're right. I guess my eyes were playing tricks on me or something, however the end of the scope does have a ring on it.

    [​IMG] Sorry about the useless posts. [​IMG]
     
  10. Lordsandy

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    Joe,

    No problem!

    Thats what makes finding the actual props so interesting!

    I cant tell you how many times I starred at a picture without noticing a detail until someone said "hey did you notice this" then wham it was so obvious!

    anyways, take care,

    Jim S.
     
  11. Lordsandy

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    Can this post be archived for people in the future?

    Jim S.
     
  12. camiziodeltoro

    camiziodeltoro New Member

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    It has been archived for over ten years already
     
  13. defstartrooper

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    ........
     
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  14. kalarcana

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    Wow. Is this a new record for necro-posting?


    Rick
     
  15. Clutch

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    Time for another drink.
     
  16. kurtyboy

    kurtyboy Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Neato! I never saw this thread before as it was before my time here!
     
  17. Stormy320

    Stormy320 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Funny to read something I wrote 10 years ago. I'm getting old.

    After all this time, I still haven't found one of these scopes and haven't seen a good replica.
     
  18. Clutch

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    Thread is useless without pics.

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  19. rkpetersen

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    I decided a couple of months ago that I'd have to commission a Greedo Killer build if I wanted to have a nice one, as most people just don't seem to want to let theirs go. (No surprise there.) So I started talking to people and looking for authentic parts. Within a week, I found a Compac Super 4x31 in beautiful condition attached to hunting rifle on gunbroker.com, and then convinced the owner of the rifle to sell me just the scope for $50. (He probably thought I was nuts to offer that much.)

    Don't hate me. :lol

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  20. Stormy320

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    I hate you.
     
  21. Clutch

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    What are you gonna do about the front of it?
     
  22. DL 44 Blaster

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    I thought they came with the front bell and it was removed to build the prop...:confused

    If my memory serves correct, you'll just have to unscrew the front.
     
  23. bobasfett

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    Sure could use one of these.....
     
  24. rkpetersen

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    Yup; practically falls off. :)

    There's a narrow ring on the other end that also screws off. More accurate to remove it or leave it?
     
  25. Lichtbringer

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    Probably something this way will be made to fit directly on it:

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  26. Lichtbringer

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    Please let it as it is, for now.
     
  27. rkpetersen

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    :lol Can anyone guess who has graciously agreed to do this build for me?

    Michael, an MGC Mauser is on its way to me as of today! That's all the major original parts. :love

    And you know, if you want to replicate this scope while you have it to work with, we can definitely talk more about it.
     
  28. kurtyboy

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    I've owned three 100% accurate ones and one 90% accurate over the years :p

     
  29. Lichtbringer

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    Hmmm, no idea. :lol

    Great, the parts are coming together one by one. :)

    No, that´s not the reason, i have already all needed measurements - i just want to avoid that some parts are missing. It´s easier when all stuff is available. :)
     
  30. Lichtbringer

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    Oh, i hate you too, now. :confused
     
  31. scottjua

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    I hate to necro bump this but I just got one with the front bell on too. But when you remove it it's just empty tube?

    What are you guys capping it off with? Another lens? From where/what?
     
  32. Clutch

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    No idea.
     
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  33. dcarty

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    Uuuugh, how are you guys finding these darned scopes?? I've missed out on at least three over the past ten years . I've got multiple saved searches at gunbroker and eBay and come up with squat.
     
  34. scottjua

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    I got lucky... I asked someone here if they'd sell one and they did.

    I saw one for sale local but missed it by a week. Nuts!
     
  35. scottjua

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    I just picked up a second Compac Super 4x31 on ebay, and it appears there are at least THREE variations to it.

    So the one I have and will use seems to be more common. It has the larger front lens bell that can be taken off.

    Then there's the one Adamata does his resin cast from, which is prop accurate with a SMALL front lens element. This one is almost identical to mine where the windage adjustments are, except the screws/screw holes are slightly different.

    Then there's this new one I just got and have never seen before.

    Its 4x31 with large front bell, but different windage knob mount design and setup. This one is missing the caps, but the caps from the other do not even fit. They thread on differently.

    Otherwise dimensions are identical.

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    anyone else with real ones care to share pics?
     
  36. Clutch

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    I have a 29487 with repro knobs.
     
  37. Lichtbringer

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    Not sure if Randys was other than normal, but his frontbell was useable to be machined into this:

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    His scope is the one in the middle, after machining it down the frontbell revealed the typical little steps. :cool


    My own compac is another different version, look at the knurled ring at the rear bell:

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    As i used the frontbell for my ROTJ-scope, i needed to replicate the frontpiece:

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    And while i was at it .....

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    :)
     
  38. OdiWan72

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    seems like my cast knobs will find good use, huh ;) ?!

    Markus
     
  39. Lichtbringer

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    I hope so - but only if i´m satisfied when the scopes are ready. Otherwise they will probably be scrapped. :confused
     
  40. scottjua

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    What the heck?!?!? You lathed down the front bell into a usable front element? I was just looking at mine, and while it MIGHT be able to be lathed down... WHERE did you get the glass lens???
     
  41. Lichtbringer

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    Aye.


    Just take light and carefully cuts. But first try to fell if those steps are inside, if not it´s pointless to use the bell. Then it´s easier to make one from round stock, directly matching for a existing lens (easier than finding a lens that fits the modified frontbell)


    Part boxes. :D

    And formerly traded from Markus.
     
  42. AParrette

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    Re: Re: Han ANH GK Scope Identified !!! Theory & Lots of Pics

    Sweet deal
     
  43. Hirohawa

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    Would it be possible to buy one of those machined front pieces?
     
  44. scottjua

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    Ok I lathed down my front bell to a perfect match! Whoo hoo! Painted, and it looks perfect...

    except... no front glass.

    Michael, can you help point me in the right direction to find a front lens or piece of glass to use?
     
  45. OdiWan72

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    Hey Scott

    IIRC Michael used a lense from another scope he butchered.
    What is the exact O.D. of the lense you´d need...I have a huge lot glass lenses and might find something suitable

    Markus
     
  46. scottjua

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    20.62mm... but I could bore out slightly to make a lip for a slightly larger OD to fit. Which I would probably have to do by a 2-3 thousandths of an inch.
     
  47. Clutch

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    I was expecting you to say you found another one. :lol
     
  48. scottjua

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    Lol... no I keep looking though... JUST in case.
     
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