Halliwax's weird V3 theory

[CopperRevan]

1) the pommel can rotate. It's fixed by a set screw in a flange, so anywhere it turns it won't come out. I forget where that came up (which page of the V2 thread) So the mystery chunk being opposite the D ring looks accurate. The clamp can also rotate, being a band clamp just wrapped around the body, so it's possible it got shifted and ended up on the cone knob side of the body.

2) HOWEVER I agree that the emitter doesn't look right. I noticed this too on film.
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The V2's emitter does not have such a wide first flange
(center is the V2)
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Maybe it chipped/broke and they milled down the rim of the V2? Maybe this is a different emitter?

yep, i understand the rotation and clamp etc that can change configuration, but this scene is the only scene where the configuration is different? Also, the booster is very black..how does this coincide with the scene filming times? in other words, it would make sense over time for the black to wear off. if yuma was toward's the end of filming when we see the v2 in Lukes hand after r2 propelled the v3 up in the air, it would make sense for the black to wear off but again that cone knob and mystery chunk config is different and aligns with the throne room scenes as well

 

[vadermania]

so i should have been in bed hours ago, but Trent helped me gain access to the video chris told me about today and ive been obsessing over ever since.

this footage is right before the scenes we see on the boot leg tv documentary. can't see the 5mm screw in the emitter, but i swear that is gaffers tape on the neck...

Clampless V3 baby!!

Hamill is actually using the V3 as a microphone, talking into it then pointing it to the camera. i have ripped the actual file, but need to edit it. and some how share it exclusively here... someone reported my youtube channel for the bootleg video of the fake dl-44... i think you are allowed 3 strikes then out.. dont want to jeopardize it... also going to try and edit the video a few times in different speedsthis last photo really shows how wonky this sucker is! more to come tomorrow

What do you think, is the paint we see on that saber the original paint which is left from ANH?

 

[Halliwax]

Halliwax...great thread!! i've read through this but its been a while. I came across this pic in my 1983 ROTJ book. I'm sure the consensus will be that its the v2, if it is then why is the emitter so wide and the cone knob and mystery chunk aren't on the ride side, nor is the D ring in the proper location according to every v2 i've seen. This, to me is a head scratcher but i'd appreciate your insight. thanks View attachment 1295726View attachment 1295725

The emitter looks fine to me. That’s the lighting making you think it’s bigger

If you look to the left you can see the first step under the emitter plate just fine

The pommel I think is locked with the set screw but the clamp swiveled all over the place

You can see it’s even different here then on the throne room arm

Basically I think the clamp moves from time to time

 

[Halliwax]

What do you think, is the paint we see on that saber the original paint which is left from ANH?

100% no doubt.. the v3 in rotj throne room duel has the same paint from ANH

The booster still has remnants of black paint on it at this time (throne room)

 

[vadermania]

For a very long time, I was convinced both the V2 and the V3 originate from aluminum castings, which are based on the wooden master. Taking all available information into account, I now think the V2 is an entirely machined piece and the only fully mechanized and working Obi Wan special effects saber which was available during the shooting of the ANH lightsaber duel.

 

[vadermania]

100% no doubt.. the v3 in rotj throne room duel has the same paint from ANH

The booster still has remnants of black paint on it at this time (throne room)

And the copper/bronze paint we see on the V3 today is a repaint which happened before the saber went on tour in Japan in 1993? I‘m asking because I have some trouble finding color images of the „ANH V3“ with a matching bronze/copper paint on the neck. I‘ve done some bronze/copper color tests recently and was able to match that special tone on one ANH special effects saber (what I think was/is the V3) but it looks different when compared to later V3 incarnations from ESB and ROTJ.

 

[CopperRevan]

The emitter looks fine to me. That’s the lighting making you think it’s bigger

If you look to the left you can see the first step under the emitter plate just fine

The pommel I think is locked with the set screw but the clamp swiveled all over the place

You can see it’s even different here then on the throne room arm

Basically I think the clamp moves from time to time

yes, seems like a very logical conclusion..there was just a lot there, including the very black booster that threw me off, excited me

 

[Halliwax]

And the copper/bronze paint we see on the V3 today is a repaint which happened before the saber went on tour in Japan in 1993? I‘m asking because I have some trouble finding color images of the „ANH V3“ with a matching bronze/copper paint on the neck. I‘ve done some bronze/copper color tests recently and was able to match that special tone on one ANH special effects saber (what I think was/is the V3) but it looks different when compared to later V3 incarnations from ESB and ROTJ.

yup! ANH V2 had a mix of browns, ANH V3 has a mix of browns and oranges

V3 was "modified" by Don Bies in 93 for the tour, where's The 48th Ronin ? 1993 right?

 

[CopperRevan]

here is another one..i can swear i see a hole on the neck of the V3 in the bottom 2 pics that resembles the hole under the windvane of the Obi neck, in fact every legit picture of the V3 shows a windvane that is wider and narrower than the V2, which makes me wonder a great many things. The emitter in these pics looks more like the derwent balance pipe like obi's as well...of course, maybe its just me

 

[Halliwax]

here is another one..i can swear i see a hole on the neck of the V3 in the bottom 2 pics that resembles the hole under the windvane of the Obi neck, in fact every legit picture of the V3 shows a windvane that is wider and narrower than the V2, which makes me wonder a great many things. The emitter in these pics looks more like the derwent balance pipe like obi's as well...of course, maybe its just me View attachment 1295801View attachment 1295800View attachment 1295799

pretty sure thats paint chips and lighting

 

[thd9791]

Yep, we've got so many pics of the V3 as it is that we can't find any other holes in the neck other than the one set screw in the windvane. I would hope the emitter looks like the balance pipe, thats why they were made!

vadermania I have the same color problems. Looks brown/bronze in ANH, some stunts look yellow in ESB and Jedi.

 

[The 48th Ronin]

V3 was "modified" by Don Bies in 93 for the tour, where's The 48th Ronin ? 1993 right?

Well done, sir!

 

[Halliwax]

Well done, sir!

 

[Halliwax]

Yep, we've got so many pics of the V3 as it is that we can't find any other holes in the neck other than the one set screw in the windvane. I would hope the emitter looks like the balance pipe, thats why they were made!

vadermania I have the same color problems. Looks brown/bronze in ANH, some stunts look yellow in ESB and Jedi.

pretty sure the best color we have now is the new footage where they are dueling near daylight

 

[CopperRevan]

pretty sure thats paint chips and lighting

ya know, looking at some of these pics is like looking at the clouds in the sky..."i swear that cloud looks like a lion" ,someone else says " nope, it's just your imagination..lol.

 

[Halliwax]

ya know, looking at some of these pics is like looking at the clouds in the sky..."i swear that cloud looks like a lion" ,someone else says " nope, it's just your imagination..lol.

I see it too!!

 

[SethS]

The thing everyone forgets-- and I lose my mind with people talking LED colors for FX sabers... NONE of us are seeing the same thing ever. Keep in mind that a final film has gone through a color grading process that could make things look different from how they did in real life. Also, still film stocks work at different color temperatures. So to compare the final film to BTS stills from a variety of sources is not going to make for color matching if the color is one that is easily changed by light. Black is black, but warm colors, the yellow, red, brown space especially, can shift VERY easily. ESPECIALLY when you using a metallic paint which is going to have a degree of reflection.

Finally, each of us is looking at a monitor of some sort. I'm sure very few, if any, of us are using True Color systems to surf the web-- all of our monitors have color profiles. Some of us like brightness cranked, I'm sure others don't. Some people have a better color range detection ability in their brain than others. We're never going to all see the same thing.

 

[Halliwax]

The thing everyone forgets-- and I lose my mind with people talking LED colors for FX sabers... NONE of us are seeing the same thing ever. Keep in mind that a final film has gone through a color grading process that could make things look different from how they did in real life. Also, still film stocks work at different color temperatures. So to compare the final film to BTS stills from a variety of sources is not going to make for color matching if the color is one that is easily changed by light. Black is black, but warm colors, the yellow, red, brown space especially, can shift VERY easily. ESPECIALLY when you using a metallic paint which is going to have a degree of reflection.

Finally, each of us is looking at a monitor of some sort. I'm sure very few, if any, of us are using True Color systems to surf the web-- all of our monitors have color profiles. Some of us like brightness cranked, I'm sure others don't. Some people have a better color range detection ability in their brain than others. We're never going to all see the same thing.

remember blue vs brown with solos parker?

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Halliwax...great thread!! i've read through this but its been a while. I came across this pic in my 1983 ROTJ book. I'm sure the consensus will be that its the v2, if it is then why is the emitter so wide and the cone knob and mystery chunk aren't on the ride side, nor is the D ring in the proper location according to every v2 i've seen. This, to me is a head scratcher but i'd appreciate your insight. thanks View attachment 1295726View attachment 1295725

Oh yeah, that’s not the V2, or the V3; that’s the V4.

We discussed the discovery of the V4 a few pages back. It has the emitter of a V3 but the body of a V2 and the soul of a saint.

 

[CopperRevan]

Oh yeah, that’s not the V2, or the V3; that’s the V4.

We discussed the discovery of the V4 a few pages back. It has the emitter of a V3 but the body of a V2 and the soul of a saint.

I must of missed that.. i was convinced that i had discovered Atlantis..lol, btw, your production V3 that is pictured on Anakin Starkillers website is like the most beautiful version of that saber i have ever seen.. great job!!