Halliwax's weird V3 theory

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  1. Halliwax

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    Ok gang, so you all know me. I'm a huge V2 nut. and even though the V3 doesnt take up the same space in my heart as the V2, i feel like the V2 is never complete with out its twin sister....

    Before we start none of this i can confirm true, this is all my theory from information gathered here, so take all of it with a grain of salt. its just my personal belief

    so over the years ive studied the V2 the most, and dabbled into the V3 hoping to find more answers to the V2. I've found a few things, but nothing until we got that famously HUGE high rez photo of the resin stunt R2 popper saber. which we now can positively confirm is the V3 herself!
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    So before we go into detail lets cover what we already know

    The V2 and V3 were built as a stunt saber for Alex Guinness. They copied the design from his hero saber. Thanks to eBay, the wooden masters showed up, and gave us some more insight on the construction of this thing

    wooden masters used to make molds, then the V2 and V3 were cast in aluminum, and cleaned up on the lathe to install electric motor to spin a dueling blade.

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    as we all know professional prop makers dont have a lot of time. they are asked a task and need it done by a dead line. this task was to create 2 spinning blade stunt lightsabers for guinness.

    we can see the V2 was given much more attention when being machined. the V2 has a much smoother appearance, there are no seam lines visible (as of yet). and rings are cut much deeper, and the rings themselves are much thinner. the V2 was equipped with the motor, and actually worked.

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    the v3 on the other hand... no so much.. she has much fatter ring section, huge nasty seam line, the booster is wonky and way out of whack. the pommel was placed in the lathe chuck not centered and quickly lathed making the pommel recess uneven, pommel cubes are all over the place in spacing and size... she's a real mess...

    for years we have referred to this photo as the V2.
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    but this always bothered me... it didnt have the clamp... and before we start arguing about that, we have some more photos for back up. check out the way Prowse has his hands positioned. this man is huge, with huge hands. i shook them myself, but yet even with his monster size mitts, hes got a tight grip all the way around the saber..

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    i have stated this in the past, about there not being a clamp on this saber trying to prove my point. but i was always told the first photo (black and white) the graflex clamp had silver tape on it, and the box was facing the other way

    i still was not convinced because of the huge difference in dimension from the booster to clamp section..

    now with this famous ESB behind the scenes video emerging, we have some great video of this same exact saber... and she isn't wearing her clamp...


    why am I so obsessed with this clamp less V2?..... Because i believe, and have believe before this video came out, that this whole time what we are looking at is the red headed step child herself... the V3....

    now if you dont believe me, dont continue reading anymore and just call me a crackpot... because this is where it really gets far fetched...

    So the V2 was quickly finished, it had a blade attached, and a motor to spin it. Brandon has stated the motor was held in with set screws hidden under the clamp (clue 1: we dont see holes/screws in the black and white photo where the clamp is suppose to be..)

    with other lightsaber stunts needed to be made, since they already had 1 working stunt for guinness they rushed onto the next lightsaber wether its Lukes, or Vaders. The prop department ran out of time, and the V3 was never finished, it was painted, blade attached, but never got her clamp spinning motor ect.... why no motor i say? the pommel was drilled with a hole for the wires to come out, but the booster never got a hole drilled for a switch..., the clamp area doesnt have any visible holes/screws holding the motor in place..

    we know Vaders stunt was never finished either, the emitter was just a large huge square shape of metal, their main concern was getting the electric motors to turn the blades to pull off the practical effect. because at this time rotoscoping wasn't a thought and they needed these blades to spin to pull off the practical effect

    So at the time of ANH i believe the V3 was not finish, and sat somewhere in a box in storage.

    Once ESB turned around, they began faster and more intense fight scenes. the graflex was very uncomfortable to duel with. Hamill said this himself, so they wrapped the graflex in gaffers tape. this one can be seen on screen when fighting vader. even better shots of luke in the dark side cave on dagobah. hamill even injured his thumb pretty bad.. taking a hit from the opposing blade and getting it slammed up against the control box..

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    So while they were practicing with the cameras off, back stage and on set they broke out the V3 and V2 as dueling sabers. since they had a more comfortable feel.. (fun fact in the carbonite chamber watch the tip of vaders lightsaber, it bouncing back and forth between MPP and V2) and when it came time for film to roll, they grabbed the more uncomfortable.. but accurate sabers (unless you bob anderson who thinks he can use what ever he wants)

    (clue 2:) So lets go back and talk about the Clampless V2. i find it very hard to believe the prop department would, take the blade off, take the emitter off, remove the clamp. let them duel with it, then, put the clamp back on, lock the emitter back on, install the blade back on... why not just pick up this V2 looking saber with out a clamp and use that?(the v3)

    do you own Anakin starkillers first generation of V2's? scott himself said its built exactly like the original V2 in 3 pieces.. you know what kind of PITA it is to change the clamp on it.. 3mm set screws which can get lost easy on a work bench... let alone on a giant set... i dont believe it

    here is the V2 with its clamp on, in the hands of bob anderson on set..
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    waaaay too much of a pain in the "rear" to dissemble the saber and re assemble it...

    if we go by everything else in the star wars prop world... when the prop department takes something apart, most of the time.. if not all the time it never goes back together right... or they dont even bother fixing it... blasters, sabers, R2D2's.... hell they even put chest box's upside down...

    I find it very very hard to believe they would take the clamp off and back on... if they took it off it would have most likely gotten lost, and it wouldn't have showed back up here with Anderson using it..


    grab a drink, im not done babbling...

    Now comes time for ROTJ... the first scene we know that was filmed was the deleted sandstorm scene. they throw a Graflex on Lukes belt and thats when Hamill brings up " um George luke lost this lightsaber in the last film"
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    George tasked the prop department to go get a random lightsaber to use as a belt hanger that isn't a graflex. they opened up the drawer with the stunts, grabbed the v2, hacked the blade off of it, threw a circuit card in, and a cone knob.. slammed in a mystery chunk and threw it to george. DONE!

    there is actually a good possibility the cone knob and mystery chunk were not even installed at this time... check out the photo below. i believe i can see the hole where the mystery chunk even goes...
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    cone knob and mystery chunk not yet installed?
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    so now that they have a belt hanger, we need a dueling saber, lucky enough there is a stunt saber that looks exactly like this new belt hanger!(the v3) we will dress it up like the belt hanger (V2) and then take some casts of it, since Luke is going to be jumping and all over place. and we need R2 to launch one to him later on...

    they dressed up the V3 with a circuit card and graflex clamp scavenged from a box of graflex stunts they were never going to use again because luke lost it in the pervious film. some believe it to the off the graflex vader is using in rotj. i dont think so, but its a good possibility this clamp came off a ESB graflex stunt. it seems like they drilled holes into the flash and used decent size flat head hex screws to hold a cylinder object inside the graflex, that held the actual rod. (just like vaders DV6 saber)
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    the clamp was put on the V3, the blade was removed and they cast the V3 for all the stunts. maybe it is at this time the blade plug/nipple was damaged? lost? i dont know.. but it seems dueling in ROTJ the V3 does NOT have its V2 like nipple in it... it could be the light... but i dont know. sure does look like the casts have the nipple.. BUT that could also be pour spouts from the cast.. which they used to make look like the nipple was still there... we know the R2 launch saber doesnt have a nipple..

    V3 cast stunt, you can clearly see the circle where the hole in the clamp is, and its nipple/pour spout

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    Is the nipple in the emitter still or not?
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    we know the next scene was one of the last filmed, so maybe this explains why the blade is missing from the V3 in the photo, since no more dueling was on the agenda maybe they took it off for easy storage? or for it to be put on display? there was some plan...
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    so to make a extremely long story short...

    Halliwax V3 Theory:
    The V3 was never really finished in ANH, it was painted to match the V2, but the machining was really rushed and over looked. it never had a electric motor installed, and was just used in the back ground as a extra stunt dueling saber, until they quickly needed a new lightsaber for luke in rotj. the V2 was randomly picked as the belt hanger, and the v3 was then dressed up to match it with clamp, circuit board and used to make casts for resin stunts, and then used as the dueling saber.

    LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!!​
     
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  2. thd9791

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    actually, I don't want to debate you. The B&W prowse photo shows us the grip rings and clamp area are similar diameters. the V2 does clearly have a smaller grip ring section.

    If I remember, Brandon said you could see inside where the motor was mounted. Not sure if that means holes in the sidewall of the clamp area or not.

    I totally agree they wouldn't bother disassembling the V2. Hell, they HACKSAWED off the blade, sounds like they couldn't get it apart in the first place.

    I do think the mystery chunk is there in the sandstorm scenes. There is a surface for light to reflect off of on the right of that detail.
     
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  3. Joek3rr

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    Hey halliwax would you mind if I threw my little theory on here?
     
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  4. Halliwax

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    Do it buddy that’s what this thread is here for! ;)


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  5. thd9791

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    also, unrelated, I 90% am sure that gaffer taped graflex has no bunny ears. Theres a photo of bob anderson holding it too out there. In the wampa cave there is evidence of the front of the bunny ear ring snipped for access to the blade too. they did weird things
     
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    hey do you have any pictures of the pommel showing it cut wonky not centered from lathing? never knew that one
     
  7. Halliwax

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    You can see how mushroomed the booster is as well..

    They really rushed this thing


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  8. russellsch

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    Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

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    Lol that’s what all the girls say, as they run away from me


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  10. Joek3rr

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    Okay here goes my crazy theory :D

    I think the V3 might originally been intended to be the "hero" saber. Here's my three points for my theory.

    1- the appearance

    It's generally accepted that the V2 was suddenly promoted to "hero" status when someone realized Luke shouldn't be the using the Graflex. So they grab the V2 to make a kind of stop gap "hero". Applying tape to prevent the emitter from spinning and plugging some of the holes, and shoving a circuit card in the clamp. The V3 while rougher in appearance, hadn't been beat up and dented like the V2. So it goes off to get refinished. But unlike the job they did on the V2, the V3 gets done better. The neck gets some set screws to hold things, rather then tape. And whole thing gets a nice new paint job, which we can still see peeking though in places even today.

    Now to me it seems odd that they would refinish a prop that was going to be used for stunt work, yes?

    2- it's place in the family tree

    As I understand how props in the film industry work. Is that stunt sabers are generally made to imitate the "hero" to some degree. To this end, I find it interesting that all of the sabers in made for ROTJ were designed to imitate the V3 and not the V2. Some being resin castings of the V3, and others like the Yuma just meant to sorta look like it.

    With that said, an argument could be made for the resin saber on Mark's sash has he climbs the sail barge. That it was trying to imitate the V2 with its black neck.

    3- it's place on set

    The V3 is hardly ever seen in the films or BTS stuff. But the one place it does show, is in one black and white BTS photo of the Endor walkway scene. And it's hard to tell, but it's looks like it's new paint job is intact. An odd place for a stunt saber to show up, considering that there wasn't any stunt work being done. Could it be that this saber originally got some close up attention?

    Anyways there's my theory, it's got more holes then a block of Swiss cheese. Like why didn't the V3 gets used as the "hero", if that's why it was refinished for?
     
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  13. Halliwax

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    Loose clamp

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    There is also a wire coming out the bottom, we know the v3 did not have a working motor because it didn’t have a drilled hole in the booster or any other sign of ignition

    Judging by the d ring, the red toggle switch is on the other side of the v2


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  14. Joek3rr

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    Ah I see. I wonder if they could ever x ray the v2 someday so we could see what's going on under the tape.
     
  15. PoopaPapaPalps

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    Much of this aligns with the timeline in my head, based on what I've done, but a couple things I do want to add is that Mark injured his thumb not from dueling but his jump from the stomping AT-AT, he cites that story numerous times, from the DVD commentary and the various bonus features with the OT. I don't think Bob Anderson ever handled the V2, I think that from the sandstorm picture, it has way too much paint for something that had been used avidly throughout ESB as a fencing sword; it may just be lighting and distance that makes the clamp section look to have a clamp. To your point, why would they be handling something with a clamp on for fight sequences?

    The V3, I agree, was something that wasn't "finished" but I'm of the firm belief that it wasn't lathed at all, but merely sanded smooth. You can see just how the clamp sits on the V3 and how it roughly lays flush with the booster. The booster is mushroomed also because the wood master is not a perfect cylinder, it's slightly conical. The uneven machining of the booster could also be a result of the pommel being out of alignment like the rest of V3 cast originally, on top of being lathed off center. Its subsequent resin casts, as per the Archives video, show that they were hollow on at the bottom (with some later filled in), so the nipple couldn't have been the pour spout. They would've poured resin into the top of the mold (the hilt negative would be upside down, so it's pour into the pommel end), then slush cast to make the hollow.
     
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    Impressive lectures guys!
    My head is spinning like a lightsaber blade!
     
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  17. PropReplicator2

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    I like the V2 alot but the V3 has always been my favorite because of the many transitions this piece of history has been through over the years.. God I want one..
     
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    Great read guys, fantastic insight and wonderful theories.You saved me from a boring Friday afternoon at work! I've been gifted an original ANH lightsaber blank back in 1997 by a person who was involved in the making of the original spinning blade fighting lightsabers for ANH. It originally looked like the one posted by halliwax in his first post (Metal ROTJ "ebay" Lightsaber) before I decided to turn it into a V3 after holding and cherishing the original V3 in the LFL archives. I'll see and check if the booster section is conical on mine later this day.

    What wonders me is that Norank (Norman Harrisons workshop at Elstree Studios) must have produced (stunt) ROTJ sabers based on the V3 for use as stunt sabers for the Yuma shoot. Why didn't they carry these sabers (perhaps it was only one single piece) over to the Redwoods? Which saber did they use for the scene where Luke hacks off the Speederbikes front end? One of these Norank sabers was used at ILM for the Vader insert shot (we referred to it as the ROTJ "hero" saber in the past).
     
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    You mention that the prop department would want to save time so the cast the V3 in aluminum then put it in a lathe, but that doesn’t really jive to me to be a time saver, it would likely be as much or more work than just turning one from a piece of aluminum stock. Especially if there is any warping that would cause a ton of problems when trying to turn it in a lathe (oblong rather than a round shape being the main one).

    The pommel being crooked can’t be from being mounted in the lathe off centre, at less not if the whole saber was cast as one piece as implied by the wood master. That angle would have had the main body of he saber at and angle that it would be whipping around like Thor’s hammer! Dangerous to say the least! More likely the pommel is an individual piece that perhaps was hollowed out and is just jammed on crooked.

    That’s my take on it. ;)
     
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    I’ve always thought that since it was a wood master, if it was cast in aluminum the would have done a quick clean up job with only sandpaper and files, followed with a quick and dirty paint job and some gaffer tape. That would explain the nasty seam lines. But the ones with the wonky handles are probably the resin casts, because if resin gets too hot, is removed from a mold too early, the cast is in the direct sunlight for extended periods of time, or the mold isn’t tightly sealed, it will warp the resin cast like what is seen in the V3. Also, resin casts would be easier (And quicker) to rotocast to hold s motor or any electronics.
     
  21. vadermania

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    The V2 and the V3 are metal castings that were produced from a mold taken off a wooden master during the production of ANH. There were even a few more metal castings produced from that mold, referred to as "blanks" or "spares". I think those castings were just sanded more or less by spinning them in a lathe. The "pommel" on the wooden master seen in the first post on that thread looks notably different compared to the pommel "section" on the metal blank. I still have no explanation for this.
     
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    Isn't that just the crooked piece of aluminum tape giving the illusion of an uneven width to that detail in the green box? It doesn't seem to have any variation on the resin copy.
     
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    Thanks for sharing! Does your metal blank have a pommel section? Happy to see some of these spares have survived.
     
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    It had a pommel similar to the metal blank seen in the first post. I had to cut it off in order to attach a screen-accurate pommel.
     
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  25. PoopaPapaPalps

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    From my experience, I believe it was a means to mount the cast in the lathe chuck. If that were the case, the spares may have been donor parts to make a separate pommel.

    As a matter of fact, this makes a lot of sense judging by the eBay photos. The pommel is machined down so that the flange can sit further into the booster section so that the grub screw can secure under the flange. From the original master, there isn't enough space for machining the flange on the pommel if one were to directly cut under the booster to separate the pommel. They'd have to cut into the booster section in order to have enough material to machine.
     
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  26. PoopaPapaPalps

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    Yes, yes it is. When I was dealing with my casts, I quickly found out just how crooked it was as this was exactly the case in my experience. The cast is/was wonky and centering it makes for fairly uneven, albeit straight, cutting. One side will be cut down more than another and line depths will be uneven, even when doing plunge cuts. I have a similar detail on my prototype V2 as it came out of alignment when I was casting toward the booster. When I lathed down an uneven surface like that, when the two curved surfaces met over one another, when I tried chamfering that edge, one surface was always flatter than the other, leaving one side with a distinct bevel and the other a smaller, almost flatter edge.

    This could certainly be a possibility. It may not even have had a chamber lathed out for the motor. It could be that the inside is only hollowed out enough to allow for the pommel to be shoved in and to have enough space to lock the central rod in place.
     
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    since they put tape on the bottom of the emitter, and tucked it in the neck groove, I think it must be hollowed out in order for the emitter to come off and to be held together with a rod through the neck.
     
  28. ALLEY

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    Halliwax’s theory basically aligns with my own V3 origin theory as well.

    I have my theory all mapped out on the wall in my office with black and white still photos pasted up on the wall with yarn and tooth floss connecting each to the other in non-chronological, zig-zag fashion, with thumb-tacked notes scribbled out in undecipherable crayon and sharpie on chewing gum wrappers, napkins, and post-it-notes. I call it my “wall of genius theories”.

    Late at night, I stand in front of my “wall of genius theories” with James Horner’s soundtrack from “A Beautiful Mind” playing in the background. I waive my arms about as if conducting a symphony that only I can hear. Then, I sort of tilt my head slightly sideways and to the left with my mouth hanging in a slack-jawed fashion. I then go into a vacant, almost brain-dead trance, that resembles idiocy, and stare straight into the abyss of the “wall of genius theories”. A drip of drool then begins to collect at the corner of my mouth. It is at that magic moment that my theory makes total sense to me. I believe that Elon Musk has a similar routine.

    I’m considering adding sheets of glass to scribble out my theories upon with white sharpies in furious fashion next. Apparently, that’s where the deepest of all “genius theories” are mapped out.

     
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  29. Ridire Firean

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    You're welcome! It's always a pleasure to help drive you crazy. ;)

    Here's where it is if anyone needs it...

    https://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=274185&page=2&p=4203527&viewfull=1#post4203527

    And thanks again to D48thRonin for the initial find in Wired Magazine!


    Who has the wooden and aluminum eBay masters again? We need some new photos of them!

    I'm very curious about the aluminum one at the groove in the neck area below the emitter. I'm wondering if part of the wrinkling there may be due to mold flashing and that it's not solely wrinkled tape/wrap.

    It's also weird to me that the aluminum casting has that little section poking out of the booster section when the V2 and V3 both seem to have that section removed and then have the booster part hollowed out to accept the pommel within (hence the need for the grub screws in both).

    Though I'm not discounting the wobbly centered lathe work idea, I had the same thought that E Williams has in that the chrome tape there over the hole seems to wrap up onto the lip between the booster and the emitter on the V3.

    I'm up too late and too tired to fully finalize this thought, but the angles/positioning of the D-Ring holes on the Resin hilt and the V3 are different. If the resin was cast before the V3 had its pommel cut off, it would explain why both have the clamp holes, and the seam lines appear to line up on both in relation to the clamp hole, but why the grub screw hole/knob is absent from the booster in the resin cast, and also why there's no indent in the pommel in the resin where the V3 currently has chrome tape over a hole.
     
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  30. vadermania

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    Here is a pic of the "booster" and pommel section of my ROTJ V3:
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    I have measured the "booster" today, near the graflex band it's diameter is 40,7 - 41,2 mm (measured with a caliper, I slightly rotated the saber during the measuring process), and near the pommel the diameter is 41 - 42 mm.

    Some more pics:
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    Love all the debating guys!


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  32. thd9791

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    nice work on that thing - is that an original pommel cut off and milled or is it a new piece?

    I was also going to ask if you decorated the rest (grip rings,) with silver paint or that's the bare metal. looks beautiful
     
  33. vadermania

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    Thanks. It was all done in the last century, sometimes I think I should have left the blank in it‘s original state.

    The pommel is a separate „new“ piece. A friend of mine made it on a lathe based on my measurements back in the nineties. There is no silver paint on that saber, just bare metal, black and copper paint and aluminum tape.
     
  34. PoopaPapaPalps

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    Good god, this looks just like my new master.:D Thanks for sharing this!
     
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    THE EMITTER PLATE

    sorry everyone. the V2 and V3 do not have the same diameter emitter plate. the V2, logically, probably had it's emitter plate lathed down. good way to tell them apart?
     
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    I always thought it looked wider.

    On a side note. I noticed that the resin V3 has the Graflex clamp in line with pommel cube that has the D-ring. I'm guessing that's why the Yuma has the box/pommel/ring orientation that it does.
     
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  37. Halliwax

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    Yup, v3 is alittle it chunkier all the way around. I don’t mind some extra meat on my girls anyway


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  38. PoopaPapaPalps

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    Among many things, the V2 has a smaller diameter emitter plate, longer upper and lower neck, smaller windvane, an (I think) ever so slightly shorter booster, and dimensionally thinner than the V3. V3 is straight from the mold and smoothed, essentially. Vadermania's photo pretty much prove that.
     
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    thanks guys!

    ROTJDUEL.jpg
    here's a fun one of, most likely, the V3
     
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    beautiful tom!! thanks for sharing! ive never seen this one!
     
  41. ALLEY

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    Hehe...it looks like Vader is tucking tail and running while Luke is in his typical “choppin’ wood” fight mode.
     
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    Didn’t really pick up on that, ur right! Lol


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    It also looks like the stunt blades are all one physical dimension and not tapered like the ANH ESB blades? Anyone else see it?

    And to me this v3 defiantly doesn’t have a nipple in this pic


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  44. vadermania

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    I second that, fibreglass or carbon fibre rods covered in scotchlite. EDIT: after checking some BTS images it seems like they used at least one tapered blade on Lukes lightsaber during the final battle with Vader.

    Could it be possible that the V2 emitter is an entire separate piece made on a lathe as opposed to the V3 emitter which is obviously part of the casting? I really wish I could have examined the V3 a bit more when I had the chance to hold it in my hands more than 20 years ago.
     
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  45. PoopaPapaPalps

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    The one handled by Laela French in the Discoveries from Inside video is the one that Hamill handled in that one BTS rehearsal photo of Mark and Bob Anderson for the final duel (I'm pretty sure it is). In the video, that tapered sword plug slotted into it, so they probably used both for RotJ.
     
  46. SethS

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    Also another appearance of the MPP Vader stunt. I'll take anything I can to devalue the status of the MoM/DV6 :)
     
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    ROTJBTS2.jpg Screen Shot 2018-01-05 at 7.00.37 PM.png This stunt saber?
     
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    sorry my pictures were for this comment
     
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