HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey
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Mikie-Wan
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Sure I don't mind helping out.
I think it's the "Hal kenko" I could be wrong though, I just bought it for my R3
The width of the top lense is roughly 49 - 50 mm.
the width of the inner lense is about 30 mm.
I could get more specific if I could find my digital calipers (there somewhere around here)
the number that is printed on the lense cap is "No. 82082"
I actually don't recomend buying one from me though because my fish eye lenses hase some imperfections in them and the lense really is the whole centerpiece of Hal. I would volenteer it though if someone could copy the specs, and duplicate the lense.
-Mikie
Paging Prop Runner. Prop Runner please report to the "HAL" thread.
- k
Prop Runner
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HERE I COME... TO-SAVE-THE-DAAAAAAAAY...Originally posted by phase pistol+Feb 14 2006, 08:14 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phase pistol @ Feb 14 2006, 08:14 PM)</div>
Paging Prop Runner. Prop Runner please report to the "HAL" thread.
- k
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Mike, if you're not comfortable loaning it to me, you could shoot me close-up pics of the lens (front & side) and I'd redline on them the dimensions I'll need to reverse-engineer it. Of course, to get the exact optical shape of the lens internal surface (in order to accurately duplicate the lens refractive characteristics), I'd need you to disassemble it - is that something you'd be willing to do or allow me to, should you be ok with loaning it out? I'd only attempt it I felt certain I wouldn't damage any of the parts. If I have any doubt, I'd take it to a camera repair shop and have them do it for me.
Also, guys: keep in mind that the refraction we see is a result of the red light passing through ALL the optical elements, not just the outer fish-eye lens. So even if I got it right, the light source would have to be experimented with in order to duplicate the screen-used look. I'd explore both different sized incandescent bulbs, LEDs, and the distance between the light source and the outer lens.
- Gabe
synasp
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Question: How expensive would it be to replicate the lens? Sounds like it would be more expensive than the actual lens itself. :confused
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edit: hehe... and let me do a "soft" rollout by plugging a domain here. Please register, check it out, and keep it low key: www.PropCircle.com
Mikie-Wan
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I don't mind loaning it to you Gabe I see you around here enough :lol
take it apart? dude that's why my lense has imperfections on it. I've taken it apart and put it back together so many times. when you do this, the matt black finish on the backside chips a little or seperates from the rim of where the inner lense mates to the outter lense.
I don't mind loaning it out, take it apart, learn whatever you can, get messy. No need to stand on formality with me, if good can come from taking my lense apart then go for it.
anything I have that I'm curious about I take apart and try to learn from so, no worries here B)
here's some pics I just took:
BTW I had once debated to make a HAL myself, I put a 5mm red LED behind the lense ( I took the back iris off first) and the lighting effect is not dead on, but pretty close in my opinion. took a pic of that too but it didn't come out very well, bad lighting conditions and I was trying to hold the LED in place on the lense while I was taking the picture with the other hand. (I think it would be better with a Jumbo 15 mm LED but I don't have any)
And just 1 other thought, I make eyeglasses all day for a living. It never occured to me but, Hal's outter lense is just a high front base curve, and the back is a really high sphere. that's it. the inner lense is another story though, that's complicated as heck :unsure
just a thought
-Mikie
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I see you around here enough :lol take it apart? dude that's why my lense has imperfections on it. I've taken it apart and put it back together so many times. when you do this, the matt black finish on the backside chips a little or seperates from the rim of where the inner lense mates to the outter lense.
I don't mind loaning it out, take it apart, learn whatever you can, get messy. No need to stand on formality with me, if good can come from taking my lense apart then go for it.
anything I have that I'm curious about I take apart and try to learn from so, no worries here B)
here's some pics I just took:
BTW I had once debated to make a HAL myself, I put a 5mm red LED behind the lense ( I took the back iris off first) and the lighting effect is not dead on, but pretty close in my opinion. took a pic of that too but it didn't come out very well, bad lighting conditions and I was trying to hold the LED in place on the lense while I was taking the picture with the other hand. (I think it would be better with a Jumbo 15 mm LED but I don't have any)
And just 1 other thought, I make eyeglasses all day for a living. It never occured to me but, Hal's outter lense is just a high front base curve, and the back is a really high sphere. that's it. the inner lense is another story though, that's complicated as heck :unsure
just a thought
-Mikie
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Prop Runner
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Mike, thanks for the offer and for posting those pics.
However (and Karl please confirm this for me) your Kenko looks GROSSLY undersized for the correct HAL lens diameter. Where your lens is 5 cm across, the HAL lens should be between 7-8 cm in diameter, based on a panel width of approximately 11.5 cm.
I'd hate to have you go through the trouble of sending it and me to replicate it if it's not the correct type.
As for creating a replica lens, a rather inexpensive injection-plastic mold (under $1000) could be made and the lens shot in clear polycarbonate (Lexan). Keep in mind we'd only need the outer fish-eye lens, not all the guts behind it (to answer David's concern).
Once I model everything and nail the most likely lens diameter, I can get it quoted out, and spread the pain over the price of the kit or finished replicas, depending on the number of orders.
- Gabe
However (and Karl please confirm this for me) your Kenko looks GROSSLY undersized for the correct HAL lens diameter. Where your lens is 5 cm across, the HAL lens should be between 7-8 cm in diameter, based on a panel width of approximately 11.5 cm.
I'd hate to have you go through the trouble of sending it and me to replicate it if it's not the correct type.
As for creating a replica lens, a rather inexpensive injection-plastic mold (under $1000) could be made and the lens shot in clear polycarbonate (Lexan). Keep in mind we'd only need the outer fish-eye lens, not all the guts behind it (to answer David's concern).
Once I model everything and nail the most likely lens diameter, I can get it quoted out, and spread the pain over the price of the kit or finished replicas, depending on the number of orders.
- Gabe
Mikie-Wan
Active Member
eeh, no problem.
but it does look like the HAL lense
if it's ever needed just to blow up the dimensions, let me know.
it was always my thought that the actual HAL lense was a fish eye for the video-cameras. Thus way larger but way, way more expensive.
This one's for a simple 32mm camera.
but I got it for $17
-Mikie
but it does look like the HAL lense
if it's ever needed just to blow up the dimensions, let me know.
it was always my thought that the actual HAL lense was a fish eye for the video-cameras. Thus way larger but way, way more expensive.
This one's for a simple 32mm camera.
but I got it for $17
-Mikie
The diameter of Mike's lens definately appears much too small. Mike, you may have the correct focal lenth but not the diameter of appature. You could make a mini-Hal...
Mikie-Wan
Active Member
Originally posted by SurferGeek@Feb 15 2006, 01:40 PM
The diameter of Mike's lens definately appears much too small. Mike, you may have the correct focal lenth but not the diameter of appature. You could make a mini-Hal...
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Hummm... it's actually not a bad Idea. They have scaled lightsabers why not scale a HAL? It would probably be the size of a lightswitch plate (longer in height of course)
and his voice would have a higher pitch
-Mikie
Now THAT looks promising.
- k
Prop Runner
Sr Member
I'm convinced. :thumbsup
Now ship that puppy to me so I can replicate it.
- Gabe
Now ship that puppy to me so I can replicate it.
- Gabe
synasp
Sr Member
I didn't take those pictures, but that's basically the correct one. The only difference between that one and the one used for HAL is the text written around the edge (not supposed to be "180º"). It's strange since all this info is new to me.
Anyway, the lens is taken care of now. From that, we should be able to at least get a ballpark of what the rest of the dimensions are. :thumbsup
What a cool thread...I love that metal HAL prop replica...great job.
I always thought the 2010 HAL was half-a** compared to the 2001. I especially don't like the metal ring around the lense in the 2010...it's just flat on it's exposed surface instead of that nice triangular shape that the 2001 ring has (when lookingat a cross-section of the ring).
Now all you need is the computer and about 20 more of those "eyes".
:cheers,
Thomas
I always thought the 2010 HAL was half-a** compared to the 2001. I especially don't like the metal ring around the lense in the 2010...it's just flat on it's exposed surface instead of that nice triangular shape that the 2001 ring has (when lookingat a cross-section of the ring).
Now all you need is the computer and about 20 more of those "eyes"
.:cheers,
Thomas
