HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey
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Jedirick
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If the unit used is a Kenko 180 degree fisheye then it doesn't make sense for it to be bigger.
Unless an older model? and they went smaller more cost effective?
I can't imagine after looking through mine that a increase in diameter would do anything remarkable in improving the fisheye effect.
Maybe an adapter ring for a filter or something is increasing the diameter?
Unless an older model? and they went smaller more cost effective?
I can't imagine after looking through mine that a increase in diameter would do anything remarkable in improving the fisheye effect.
Maybe an adapter ring for a filter or something is increasing the diameter?
Would differences in "focal length" translate to different diameters?
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I just won a copy of the Kubrick Archives book on Ebay thanks in large part to the amazing screencaps in this thread. It should arrive sometime this week. I managed to get one of the 1st editions that includes the filmstrip for a little over $150 shipped. Kubrick is my favorite director, so I'm really excited about this book.
Anyway, if you guys do a run of HAL replicas, I'll probably be in depending on price.
Anyway, if you guys do a run of HAL replicas, I'll probably be in depending on price.
synasp
Sr Member
The "adapter ring" is on the back end... I have a 62mm adapter for this 52mm Kenko.
No idea. But I've searched and searched and if they used a "larger Kenko" it just doesn't seem to exist. I can try to contact Kenko, however. But statistically speaking, the odds of them using this "bigger lens" that is so rare there isn't even a mention of it on any websites and no camera collectors know about it is virtually impossible. Maybe I'm looking/asking with wrong variables.
Prop Runner
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So do we have to accept a paradigm shift and rescale the entire panel?
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I very much want this to the be the right lens because, if it is, we're that much closer to having an accurate HAL replica. But allow me to play Devil's Advocate here and point out that neither of the references above say anything about the Kenko being the lens used in the HAL panel. Though the references on Underman's site do name the lens clearly ("Kenko 0.16x No48221"), they don't tell us how the lens was used. We are merely told that this is the "actual fish-eye lens used for some of the HAL shots." That's a fairly vague statement.
In fact, if we examine the wording of Underman's text closely, we find no indication at all that this is the lens used in the HAL panel (physical resemblances between the lenses notwithstanding), but instead a strong suggestion that the Kenko 0.16x No48221 was a lens (perhaps not the only one) used to shoot HAL's POV shots:
(1) According to Underman, information about the Kenko came via Gavin Alcott, son of the late John Alcott, who was responsible for "additional photography" (as opposed to set design or visual design). In other words, this lens was used by a cinematographer for shooting. It wasn't necessarily also used by a visual designer as part of HAL's physical construction.
(2) The particular wording of the reference to the Kenko ("actual fish-eye lens used for some of the HAL shots," italics mine) suggests that other lenses were also used. Again, this supports the interpretation that the Kenko was used as a practical shooting lens (and may or may not also have been the lens used in the HAL panel).
(3) The heading above the text ("How does the world look to HAL?") once again indicates that the author is writing about the way in which HAL's POV shots were accomplished, not about the lens used in the construction of the screen-used HAL panels.
Again, I'd very much like to believe that the Kenko is the lens we see when we're looking at HAL. And I'm not saying that it's not. It sure looks like the right one. But I think the reference in the site above does not specifically support that interpretation. It suggests only that the Kenko was used as a shooting lens, without addressing the question of whether the Kenko was part of the HAL panel.
2 cents
{EDIT} For spelling and clarity.
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synasp
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Blaaargo blargo. You make head hurt. Hard think. ahem...
well, you have good points, but I think Achems razor applies aptly here. Could all that be true? Yes. But more than likely, the answer is staring us right in the eye.
Seeing Gabe's signature from the corner of my eye has made me realize that having HAL mounted on my wall is going to freak me out.... "stop looking at my HAL.... HAL?..."
in other news, I experimented with other lights. Dim ones diffuse better, but aren't bright enough. Bright lights are clear, but when the light is pointed staight forward, it cana be too intense. Maybe I should try diffusion screens with a really bright light...
That would be "Occam's" Razor.
"Aachem" was a sound "The Critic" used to make.
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Kevin
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Not wanting to hijack this thread or go off topic in any way ...
there was an image posted a few pages back of HAL's memory access panel. The text on it was very small. This might become academic when the movie is released on Blu-ray/ HD-DVD (delete where applicable) but I have been trying to decode what it says so that I can create artwork for that panel.
I know this doesn't imediately make much sense, but as you can hopefully see, a lot of the words do seem to be correct.
Anybody here have much to do with computers back in the days of memory cores and UV flash ROMs? Anybody got any clues to help me out?
I'm pretty sure that "APERTURE" is wrong and "CORE" could easily be "CODE".
there was an image posted a few pages back of HAL's memory access panel. The text on it was very small. This might become academic when the movie is released on Blu-ray/ HD-DVD (delete where applicable) but I have been trying to decode what it says so that I can create artwork for that panel.
I know this doesn't imediately make much sense, but as you can hopefully see, a lot of the words do seem to be correct.
Anybody here have much to do with computers back in the days of memory cores and UV flash ROMs? Anybody got any clues to help me out?
I'm pretty sure that "APERTURE" is wrong and "CORE" could easily be "CODE".
The transfer and the quality of the source will be the sole deciding factors.
Blu-ray is nothing more than a technology allowing more to be stored on a single disc. Regular DVD having the lowest capacity, HD-DVD is in between and of course Blu-Ray, which theoretically can hold 8 layers and up to 200Gig of data. :eek HiDef recordings will require much more storage than DVDs are capable of, thus the newer formats. BUT... you could put HD video on a DVD, it's just that one DVD wouldn't hold a complete movie.
I hope that the source is processed well enough to allow for some great screencaps.
tgreco
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Originally posted by Kevin@Mar 14 2006, 05:49 AM
Not wanting to hijack this thread or go off topic in any way ...
there was an image posted a few pages back of HAL's memory access panel. The text on it was very small. This might become academic when the movie is released on Blu-ray/ HD-DVD (delete where applicable) but I have been trying to decode what it says so that I can create artwork for that panel.
I know this doesn't imediately make much sense, but as you can hopefully see, a lot of the words do seem to be correct.
Anybody here have much to do with computers back in the days of memory cores and UV flash ROMs? Anybody got any clues to help me out?
I'm pretty sure that "APERTURE" is wrong and "CORE" could easily be "CODE".
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managed to decode a couple words in this
It reads:
Access to the ?? center
only UNDER emergency
conditions IN ACCORDANCE
WITH regulations ?? ??
EXACT(?) aperature code(??)
STORAGE --for MAGNETIC
LOGIC applications ony
rocketeer25
Sr Member
"Access to the..."
"Access to the LM" LM = "Logic Module or Memory"
Just a guess...
"Access to the LM" LM = "Logic Module or Memory"
Just a guess...
Yeah, LM = LOGIC MEMORY... so
ACCESS TO THE LM CENTER
ONLY UNDER EMERGENCY
CONDITIONS IN ACCORDANCE
WITH REGULATIONS LM 034 (just guessing there...)
MULTI APERTURE CORE
STORAGE --FOR MNEMONIC (or MIMETIC or MAGNETIC)
LOGIC APPLICATIONS ONLY
