GHOSTBUSTERS Pre-Release - film discussion only, no social commentary please!
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Snikt
Sr Member
Ha! Good one! Not ready to believe you! :lol
Dont really care! Matter of fact I'm on a crusade to encourage people to see it!
You all sound like me AFTER I saw Alien 3, :lol
Me before the movie:opcorn
Me after movie:
http://alienscollection.com/emoticons/suicide.gif
So glad I never saw a trailer for that atrocity. Saw it and disliked it more and more by each passing minute. "Where's Hicks? Where is Newt? Whyyyyyy??"
Drugs are bad m'kay? :lol
:facepalm
i know, right? You should seek out an intervention!
Yes, of course nobody could have predicted the impact that GB made. And in the beginning it was of course not meant to be anything but a money and work generator for those directly involved. Movies are mostly made to put food on people´s tables.
But sometimes they take on a life of their own. They do what really good movies are meant to do. They generate emotions and touch people. And when people are touched they sometimes emotionally connect to stuff and attach themselves to things, people or stories. Then a following develops. But I think that aspect is clear to everyone involved, pros and cons.
I think that "respectful" isn´t the right term to describe what is happening. "Respectful" would have been to not reboot but to continue the story. Look at TFA, same old, same old. It would have worked so well if the girls had continued the work of the original Ghostbusters who vanished and have been defunct for three decades. Every one of them could have been the daughter of one of the GBs. And we still could have had the movie that we are getting now, with a few simple additions.
The bad thing is that they actually TRY to be respectful. Where? In the trailers. There´s the one single connection. "Four friends saving the world". Or "Every decade ..." or some such, I do not remember what it was in one of the trailers.
But that kind of "respect" feels more like "sucking up" to the fans than actually being respectful.
It´s just as you already wrote, it would have been much much better and less painful for everyone involved or attached to that franchise to start with a fresh idea. A fun popcorn movie about a group of women fighting ghosts. And monsters. Because that is what this movie is going to be. It´s just the name "Ghostbusters" that makes it so tough to enjoy.
EDIT: OKAYYYY. Stay Puft. Huh. Shot to the groin. Reminds me of ...
Who of the main characters is going to have a love interest in the movie? Will Melissa McCarthy´s character have a backstory wound that justifies her reaction? Questions, questions, questions ...
By the way, one of the story arcs in the original GB was that Peter wants to rescue Dana, wasn´t it? And Pete was actually a fraud, wasn´t he? And they did use a bit of raunchy humour, didn´t they? And Peter was actually much, much lower in status than Dana, right? Out of her league? And in GB 2, wasn´t he kind of a respectful charmer, and as good a "dad" as he could be?
I do wonder if we are going to get updated music videos, too. Hm.
In the meantime ...
[video]http://dai.ly/x4puc[/video]
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I would honestly much rather pay to watch two hours of Kate McKinnon's different accents than the actual film.
Didn't even realize she is in the new film :lol
Didn't even realize she is in the new film :lol
Solo4114
Master Member
See, the thing that people don't get in these articles is that it's not really "preemptive criticism."
It's "Criticism based on what information is already known, which is a fair amount."
You can watch a trailer for a film and say "Wow. That looks like crap." There's nothing unjustified about it, nothing unreasonable, nothing remotely wrong with that response. Why? Simple. Because saying "This looks like crap" is basically saying "Based on this trailer, I have no desire to see this movie."
This whole notion of "You have to see it before you can criticize it"?
Total bull****.
Unless you're gonna pay for my ticket, if I'm not interested based on what little I know about the film, then I'm well within my rights to say "No thanks. That sounds/looks really dumb."
Now, I'll admit -- as I have throughout all of this -- that I could be wrong. When we had a bunch of pre-release info about the first X-Men film, my response was "Wow. that looks really stupid." And boy was I wrong about that one! But the internet is a different place now, more information is made available way sooner, and the film is part of a long-running trend in Hollywood that I personally loathe. I read the Amy Pascal emails and saw the complete lack of vision in them and total disinterest in storytelling; all she cared about was branding. I saw the goofy ideas Feig initially floated, which didn't sound that good. I saw the trailers, which weren't remotely funny and didn't look entertaining at all. Based on that information, I think I'm gonna skip this. And I feel completely justified in that stance.
KrangPrime
Master Member
respectful is the last term i'd ever use to put in front of these idiots.
All you have to do is look at the sony emails to see how 'respectful' they are.
god bless whoever did that job ;o). we wouldn't have nearly as much fuel for the fire as we do now!
Speaking of shills...
SUPPOSEDLY, the reason why the imdb folks know which people are shills, and which people are not...is because one of them got mentioned by user name in the sony emails. all they have to do is follow the style of post and they know which ones work for sony.
I wish I could remember which one it was..an interesting style guide for elsewhere ;o)
So, people who work for sony, intentionally trying to disrupt things ARE out there...I just wonder if we're a big enough cog in the wheel to get noticed. other places also have official people watching too...like turtle forums.
Solo4114
Master Member
I mean, don't get me wrong. She does decent accents. It's just that it's not all that impressive to me. Go to any Level 1 Improv class and you'll find at least a couple of people who can do the same thing. And youtube is rife with people doing actual regionalized accents, which is far more impressive to me than someone who does a sort of generic-for-country-XYZ accent. Like, the difference between someone who can do a proper Baltimore accent and someone who just does a generic American accent.
Like, doing a generic London accent or a RP accent doesn't really impress me all that much. Doing a Geordie accent? With proper slang? THAT'S impressive.
KrangPrime
Master Member
it's this new age of 'discredit the hater, make them go insane'
Someone i know who actually helps out with sony, if not directly works for them, but is one of the few people i know who can still argue FOR this film with attempts at logic, actually said I can't judge it based on what i know. I can't judge it on paul feigs past work either. but, then he suggested, since i havn't actually SEEN a paul feig film, I check out one of his earlier works. I'll be sure to love feigbusters then, if only in idea, until i actually see the movie.
5 aborted attempts to actually finish spy, I did. I don't love paul feig movies. in fact, I think it's a sad look into the mans psyche, since he actually wrote spy.
where one character says 'I just killed a man. it's so...me!' if that's not a look into his world, i don't know what is!
this kid didn't respond to me so much after i wrote that, but he's still posting else where with his undying support for this movie. although, unlike most, i'll give him credit in that he tries to do it logically. and doesn't go after the people who hate it.
I wish more people where still like that, honestly.
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and those articles are just copying each other now. i think i posted the same one a few pages back.
only i think that one was from the LA times or washington post.
You should try and find one about 'ghostbusters hq'. about a lady writer who intentionally goes to a ghostbusters event looking for '********' and start trouble. only to find out she was the only one there.
I mean, seriously.. are we not all adults?
Completely agree. Impressive? not so much.
Even I can do a half-assed generic accent of this and that's.
"Sod off ye bloody wankah" :lol
Very happy I have had a native Londoner for an English teacher.
So it's not so much being impressed rather than the disdain I feel for "Feigbusters"
Was it entertaining? Absolutely.
A trillion times better than any and all trailers for Feigbusters? Hells yeah :facepalm
d_osborn
Sr Member
The new movie not being a sequel wasn't for lack of trying. Sony and the GB primaries tried to get a GB sequel in front of cameras since the late-90s. They got close a few years ago with ALIVE AGAIN, but Murray never gave his required approval.
IMHO, a mediocre sequel would be way worse than a mediocre reboot. I see the reboot being MORE respectful to the cinematic legacy of the original GB. An even more respectful option would be to leave it alone, but that's simply not the business climate in Hollywood these days.
Oh, I agree! I would love to see similar sci-fi comedies in the same vein as GB. That's not what this is, though. This movie was developed for the sole intention of cashing in on the IP.
...and for PR spin from Sony discrediting the haters and complainers-- they aren't laughing at you for not wanting to see the movie for completely valid reasons. They're laughing at the complaining and negativity. The overly hateful bad apples only reinforced a stereotype that people love laughing at. It's like shooting fish in a barrel, but in their defense, it was an excellent PR spin against all of the bad press from the first trailer.
Both sides are nuts, each side has valid points, truth lies somewhere in the middle, yadda yadda.
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Westies14
Master Member
I can't even blame Sony for cashing in. They have shareholders they gotta provide for. I blame people who demonstrate to them again and again that this approach is worth their hard-earned money. Consumers get what they demand with their wallets. Anyone who goes to see this is telling the studios that this all they need. There are so many great ideas out there, so many untapped talents. There are geniuses begging for a shot to make fresh, creative, original projects; there are concepts on paper to take classic franchises in very interesting, brave, exciting directions. By buying a ticket to Ghostbusters, to Terminator: Genisys, to Ninja Turtles, you are telling Hollywood to continue passing these possibilities by in favor of complete garbage. Honestly. Sony isn't ruining our childhoods. People who support these movies are ruining our adult lives. (From an entertainment perspective, of course.)
d_osborn
Sr Member
Oh, I totally agree! I think we're about to see a similar crash/burn of big-budget Hollywood similar to the 60's. Filmmaking technology is cheap and accessible. High quality streaming, resolution, and quality is cheap and accessible. I just don't think the modern equivalent of Lucas and Coppola will be running within the Hollywood/theater industries. I keep waiting for a huge rash of well-made, well thought out sci-fi shorts to start popping up on Youtube or Vimeo. Your short film thread is REALLY cool.
As for GB, this stuff is an escape for me. It's fun. It's not about supporting the franchise or boycotting Sony. I'll probably drop $20 or so for tickets for my girlfriend and I. We'll go get some pizza, have a few beers, laugh at (or with) the new movie, and enjoy ourselves. Entertainment, curiosity, whatever... I'll be there opening night.
With the comparisons to Terminator and Ninja Turtles, both of those franchises have basically crashed and burned without by boycott. If GB is bad, it will, too.
KrangPrime
Master Member
I'd like to think with the 'failure' of this new turtles movie, people are finally starting to wise up. it dropped of 60% compared to the first movies second week. and apparently theaters are practically empty.
I'd like to think that it's because people are realizing this latest round of turtle reboot for what it is. souless and made by committee, but I doubt it. even that stupid new nick show has had ratings dropped since the second season. and those breaks they go on every four weeks for two months don't help it either.
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