jettajeffro
Active Member
It really is just slapped on, no contests or anything, just relying on the film connection. As noted in the trailer you can see product placements for them.
GHOSTBUSTERS Pre-Release - film discussion only, no social commentary please!
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It really is just slapped on, no contests or anything, just relying on the film connection. As noted in the trailer you can see product placements for them.
I've watched all the trailers and never saw any product placements for them,they did however have the twinkie joke in the original film so another rip off and trying to get legit via the original :behave smooth movie there people,just classy.
*ETA*
This movie is so much a remake of the first two it ain't even funny,what's sad is it's failing so hard that I'm starting to feel sorry for them-it's like they decided to remake a film and push a PC agenda with it so they could...I dunno almost like they want to rewrite history or something.
Damn thing is making my head hurt.
*ETA*
This movie is so much a remake of the first two it ain't even funny,what's sad is it's failing so hard that I'm starting to feel sorry for them-it's like they decided to remake a film and push a PC agenda with it so they could...I dunno almost like they want to rewrite history or something.
Damn thing is making my head hurt.
KrangPrime
Master Member
I don't feel sorry for them.
I want feigs Suit collection repossessed and him living in a beat up old van down by the river within 8 months of this films release.
I also want amy pascal cleaning bathrooms in subway terminals by december.
And even then it'd be hard to be happy, because where two idiots fall, ten other hollywood idiots will be there to do something even worse
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you know, it's funny. they work so hard to get you to like these ridiculous ideas in the first place 20 years ago. and then later, they work so hard to destroy all that effort, without caring for a minute.
yeah, you're right. it IS making my head hurt ;o).
I want feigs Suit collection repossessed and him living in a beat up old van down by the river within 8 months of this films release.
I also want amy pascal cleaning bathrooms in subway terminals by december.
And even then it'd be hard to be happy, because where two idiots fall, ten other hollywood idiots will be there to do something even worse
.you know, it's funny. they work so hard to get you to like these ridiculous ideas in the first place 20 years ago. and then later, they work so hard to destroy all that effort, without caring for a minute.
yeah, you're right. it IS making my head hurt ;o).
Westies14
Master Member
I actually don't keep on saying it because strangers call detractors sexist. Couldn't affect my life less. I just recognize that Sony only cares about the bottom line - as we were condescendingly reminded above, movies are a business - and as long as this is the "creative process" which generates profits the studios will continue to use this ruinous model. I want to inject as much dislike (or at least apathy) for this project into the universe as I can. It's my little way of chipping away at its box office.
:lol You guys are killin' me!
I for one am hopeful that this movie does well!
Of course, all the people boycotting, naysayers, haters, whatever. All the people that are attacking this movie before seeing it have nothing to lose as far as justification. If it bombs they will say, "You see! I told ya so!". Then if it skyrockets, they will just say, "That's because the general public are nothing more than stupid, mindless sheep! They will watch crap and give it an Oscar! Of course, the only opinion that REALLY matters are from the ONLY people with any intelligence...the TRUE Ghostbusters fans! The people who hated this new version before it opened!"
So either way, the pre-haters "win".
That about sum it up?
I for one am hopeful that this movie does well!
Of course, all the people boycotting, naysayers, haters, whatever. All the people that are attacking this movie before seeing it have nothing to lose as far as justification. If it bombs they will say, "You see! I told ya so!". Then if it skyrockets, they will just say, "That's because the general public are nothing more than stupid, mindless sheep! They will watch crap and give it an Oscar! Of course, the only opinion that REALLY matters are from the ONLY people with any intelligence...the TRUE Ghostbusters fans! The people who hated this new version before it opened!"
So either way, the pre-haters "win".
That about sum it up?
That is true,anything RPF covers was pretty looked down upon when I was a kid in the 80's and most people had about the same opinion over sci-fi/fantasy as they might for snuff porn.
So they had the hell of a time getting it made and it was mostly aimed at kids and now they're running a few of the old ones into the ground.
So they had the hell of a time getting it made and it was mostly aimed at kids and now they're running a few of the old ones into the ground.
*Shrugs*
Personally I think it may not do as well as the studio hopes,but the public is a fickle,odd creature so if it does well it does well and it means very little to me in any way-I just know I'm going to do all I can to avoid the steaming pile that this looks to be.
At least the Twinkie connection goes back to the first film...
Here's my attempt at well-reasoned. I try not to "hate" anything. Hate is a fear-based survival reflex against something unknown, and therefore scary. E.g., people who don't understand homosexuality hating gays... rather than making the effort to educate themselves and lose the "unknown" aspect and, hopefully, at least some of the fear. Meanwhile, I understand far too much about this film, and the general Hollywood disease it's a symptom of. For what it's worth, I did not like Bridesmaids, and turned it off after about half. I watched it because people whose opinions I trusted said it was funny. I did not find it so. From the trailers and other advertising, I had zero interest in Spy, Trainwreck, or The Boss. Some of that is one-note comedians who I feel would be good if they pushed outside of their comfort zone*, but the one schtick they do is one that falls flat for me.
[*Good examples of this are the "serious" movies from folks like Will Farrell, Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler, or Ben Stiller. I enjoy "Blades of Glory", for instance, but I love "Stranger Than Fiction". I enjoy "Earth Girls Are Easy", but I love "The Truman Show" and "The Majestic".]
So far this century, I've had the soft reboot that was the Star Wars Prequels (new characters, new actors playing established characters, story that contradicts many details and timeline of the original films), GI Joe and Transformers films that almost but not quite completely fail to include anything that would actually make them GI Joe or Transformers (generic action movie, and generic giant robots from space movie, missing most of the lore and tech and characterization that made the originals unique offerings), TMNT that fails slightly worse (maybe start by having actual mutated turtle adolescents who study Japanese martial arts, and take some inspiration for the characters and/or plot of the comics/cartoon, as the original films did...), and the not-quite-hard-but-very-firm reboot that was Enterprise/JJ-Trek (apparently, Our Heroes meddling with First Contact spun off this new universe where everything advances faster and stuff happens differently but with strong parallels).
Trek is the one I can point to most clearly for "crapping on my childhood", and is what I use as a counter to the people saying all the old stuff is still there. Yes. It is. And CBS/Paramount have pretty much said we'll never be revisiting the Prime timeline, so this is what we're stuck with. Every new episode, every new film is a reminder that I will never get any further adventures of people who know or remember Picard or Sisko or Janeway, we'll never see how things get rebuilt and moved forward a decade or a century after the Dominion War, we'll never see What Comes Next. That disappointment and depression was enough that I couldn't even look at the old series or books or tech manuals for several years. Extreme distaste for what those in creative control have chosen to do going forward with an intellectual property I love.
Same here. I don't inherently dislike the actors involved. With good writing and good directing, I think I'd probably enjoy watching what they could do -- especially if they had to stretch a bit outside of the sorts of gags they were used to. I still really am not a fan of the production design. It happens. Their Ecto 1 should have been completely different, reboot or sequel. The original was what it was because it was the cheapest piece of garbage Ray could find that was big enough to haul them and all their gear. Different cicumstances this time out. An old SWAT truck or news van would probably be a new team's best bet. The orange stripes just look bad. The gear looks too intentionally "cobbled-together" -- a skilled tinkerer can design and cut and weld and finish some pretty good looking things in the garage. And this is the sort of gear that really needs that kind of attention to detail so it doesn't, y'know, explode and destroy a city block.
I don't hate this Ghostbusters. I have an extreme distaste reflex toward what I've seen so far, and I have a serious dislike for the corporate and creative decisions made and the people who made them. It "steps on my childhood" because the people making it have told all of us who are invested in that original sequence of events and the characters who lived them "they're gone, never coming back". That might change, as The Powers That Be in control of this, Trek, TMNT, GI Joe, or Transformers could see the error of their ways and reboot the reboot to get us back to the right setting. But I ain't holding my breath.
In the meantime, I've gotten pretty good over the years at parsing actual content out of the fabricated presentation that is a trailer. I notice out-of-context or -sequence shots, I notice how it is telling us to feel about this or that... and I try to see the reality of the film behind it. For close to twenty years, I've developed a sense where if I don't finish the trailer looking forward to seeing whatever, I know something's amiss, and I rewatch more closely. I was thrilled with the Phantom Menace teaser up until right after the podracer POV shot where we were shown kid Anakin, naked Threepio, and -- especially -- Jar-Jar getting his tongue shocked by the plasma stream. That was where my brain started going "Wait... what?" I was practically crying with joy when I saw the teaser for JJ-Trek, but right at the end, as more of the ship is semi-revealed, I noticed it didn't look right. The name and registry were in the wrong place, but if this was the saucer they were building on the ground (per the extant lore), why were the warp engines there, and in place...? Both of those left me with a vague "uh-oh" that the films bore out.
So, based on what I've seen and know, I will at some point see this film. But I will not directly and intentionally spend money on it. I will not contribute to its opening-weekend take. I will not contribute to DVD sales. I see this Ghostbusters as tremendously disrespectful to the fans that built the franchise, and I will not reward them for that. I do not have an inherent problem with the actors or their characters, but the way both are being presented is indicative of a certain creative ethos I find repellent. That's fine. There are a lot of people who do like Bridesmaids, Spy, and The Boss. I just don't think it's the right kind of comedy for Ghostbusters. It's still perfectly valid in its own right. Want to do something original? G'head. Only don't call it "Ghostbusters". "Ghost Hunters", "Paranormal Activity", "Supernatural", "Ghost Adventures", "Ghost", "Thirteen Ghosts", "Scream", and a whole lot of other names are already taken, but someone somewhere could come up with something appropriate. Redoing a standalone film is okay-ish (Rear Window, Psycho, Ocean's Eleven, etc.). It can be better or worse than the previous incarnation(s). But when it's an ongoing story? Interrupting it and starting over is a lot more jarring. The moreso if it looks to be done disrespectfully, as -- IMO -- this does. It implies there was something wrong with how it was done the first time around (and, by extension, something wrong with us for liking it), more than redoing a standalone movie does.
So no, I'm not "excited for any new Ghostbusters". I have higher standards. My expectations are raised by films one and two (which I liked), the cartoon, the comics, and the most recent video game. I would rather it fade into the slow, gentle oblvion of ancillary materials (like the new comics, maybe another video game) than get transmogrified like this. Over in Trek-land, "Endgame" would have been a seriously weak ending, as it was, but I would have preferred that to Nemesis, Enterprise, and JJ-Trek. A more engaging story has been kept alive over in the novels and comics, by far (Star Trek Online started off promising, but I don't like where they've gone with it). It's not just Ghostbusters, and it's not hate. At least, not on my part. The studios, on the other hand... Well, if hate comes form lack of understanding something, and these studios so obviously don't understand what they have...
--Jonah
Here's my attempt at well-reasoned. I try not to "hate" anything. Hate is a fear-based survival reflex against something unknown, and therefore scary. E.g., people who don't understand homosexuality hating gays... rather than making the effort to educate themselves and lose the "unknown" aspect and, hopefully, at least some of the fear. Meanwhile, I understand far too much about this film, and the general Hollywood disease it's a symptom of. For what it's worth, I did not like Bridesmaids, and turned it off after about half. I watched it because people whose opinions I trusted said it was funny. I did not find it so. From the trailers and other advertising, I had zero interest in Spy, Trainwreck, or The Boss. Some of that is one-note comedians who I feel would be good if they pushed outside of their comfort zone*, but the one schtick they do is one that falls flat for me.
[*Good examples of this are the "serious" movies from folks like Will Farrell, Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler, or Ben Stiller. I enjoy "Blades of Glory", for instance, but I love "Stranger Than Fiction". I enjoy "Earth Girls Are Easy", but I love "The Truman Show" and "The Majestic".]
So far this century, I've had the soft reboot that was the Star Wars Prequels (new characters, new actors playing established characters, story that contradicts many details and timeline of the original films), GI Joe and Transformers films that almost but not quite completely fail to include anything that would actually make them GI Joe or Transformers (generic action movie, and generic giant robots from space movie, missing most of the lore and tech and characterization that made the originals unique offerings), TMNT that fails slightly worse (maybe start by having actual mutated turtle adolescents who study Japanese martial arts, and take some inspiration for the characters and/or plot of the comics/cartoon, as the original films did...), and the not-quite-hard-but-very-firm reboot that was Enterprise/JJ-Trek (apparently, Our Heroes meddling with First Contact spun off this new universe where everything advances faster and stuff happens differently but with strong parallels).
Trek is the one I can point to most clearly for "crapping on my childhood", and is what I use as a counter to the people saying all the old stuff is still there. Yes. It is. And CBS/Paramount have pretty much said we'll never be revisiting the Prime timeline, so this is what we're stuck with. Every new episode, every new film is a reminder that I will never get any further adventures of people who know or remember Picard or Sisko or Janeway, we'll never see how things get rebuilt and moved forward a decade or a century after the Dominion War, we'll never see What Comes Next. That disappointment and depression was enough that I couldn't even look at the old series or books or tech manuals for several years. Extreme distaste for what those in creative control have chosen to do going forward with an intellectual property I love.
Same here. I don't inherently dislike the actors involved. With good writing and good directing, I think I'd probably enjoy watching what they could do -- especially if they had to stretch a bit outside of the sorts of gags they were used to. I still really am not a fan of the production design. It happens. Their Ecto 1 should have been completely different, reboot or sequel. The original was what it was because it was the cheapest piece of garbage Ray could find that was big enough to haul them and all their gear. Different cicumstances this time out. An old SWAT truck or news van would probably be a new team's best bet. The orange stripes just look bad. The gear looks too intentionally "cobbled-together" -- a skilled tinkerer can design and cut and weld and finish some pretty good looking things in the garage. And this is the sort of gear that really needs that kind of attention to detail so it doesn't, y'know, explode and destroy a city block.
I don't hate this Ghostbusters. I have an extreme distaste reflex toward what I've seen so far, and I have a serious dislike for the corporate and creative decisions made and the people who made them. It "steps on my childhood" because the people making it have told all of us who are invested in that original sequence of events and the characters who lived them "they're gone, never coming back". That might change, as The Powers That Be in control of this, Trek, TMNT, GI Joe, or Transformers could see the error of their ways and reboot the reboot to get us back to the right setting. But I ain't holding my breath.
In the meantime, I've gotten pretty good over the years at parsing actual content out of the fabricated presentation that is a trailer. I notice out-of-context or -sequence shots, I notice how it is telling us to feel about this or that... and I try to see the reality of the film behind it. For close to twenty years, I've developed a sense where if I don't finish the trailer looking forward to seeing whatever, I know something's amiss, and I rewatch more closely. I was thrilled with the Phantom Menace teaser up until right after the podracer POV shot where we were shown kid Anakin, naked Threepio, and -- especially -- Jar-Jar getting his tongue shocked by the plasma stream. That was where my brain started going "Wait... what?" I was practically crying with joy when I saw the teaser for JJ-Trek, but right at the end, as more of the ship is semi-revealed, I noticed it didn't look right. The name and registry were in the wrong place, but if this was the saucer they were building on the ground (per the extant lore), why were the warp engines there, and in place...? Both of those left me with a vague "uh-oh" that the films bore out.
So, based on what I've seen and know, I will at some point see this film. But I will not directly and intentionally spend money on it. I will not contribute to its opening-weekend take. I will not contribute to DVD sales. I see this Ghostbusters as tremendously disrespectful to the fans that built the franchise, and I will not reward them for that. I do not have an inherent problem with the actors or their characters, but the way both are being presented is indicative of a certain creative ethos I find repellent. That's fine. There are a lot of people who do like Bridesmaids, Spy, and The Boss. I just don't think it's the right kind of comedy for Ghostbusters. It's still perfectly valid in its own right. Want to do something original? G'head. Only don't call it "Ghostbusters". "Ghost Hunters", "Paranormal Activity", "Supernatural", "Ghost Adventures", "Ghost", "Thirteen Ghosts", "Scream", and a whole lot of other names are already taken, but someone somewhere could come up with something appropriate. Redoing a standalone film is okay-ish (Rear Window, Psycho, Ocean's Eleven, etc.). It can be better or worse than the previous incarnation(s). But when it's an ongoing story? Interrupting it and starting over is a lot more jarring. The moreso if it looks to be done disrespectfully, as -- IMO -- this does. It implies there was something wrong with how it was done the first time around (and, by extension, something wrong with us for liking it), more than redoing a standalone movie does.
So no, I'm not "excited for any new Ghostbusters". I have higher standards. My expectations are raised by films one and two (which I liked), the cartoon, the comics, and the most recent video game. I would rather it fade into the slow, gentle oblvion of ancillary materials (like the new comics, maybe another video game) than get transmogrified like this. Over in Trek-land, "Endgame" would have been a seriously weak ending, as it was, but I would have preferred that to Nemesis, Enterprise, and JJ-Trek. A more engaging story has been kept alive over in the novels and comics, by far (Star Trek Online started off promising, but I don't like where they've gone with it). It's not just Ghostbusters, and it's not hate. At least, not on my part. The studios, on the other hand... Well, if hate comes form lack of understanding something, and these studios so obviously don't understand what they have...
--Jonah
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Are they going to make a twinkie reference in the new movie? If not then the GB logo is a perfect tie in to the 1984 movie
KrangPrime
Master Member
more marketing for a crummy movie.
yay!
As if pappa johns wasn't bad enough with it's sports placement, but we have to put up with them in the movies.
http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/papa-johns-teams-up-with-sony-pictures-for-ghostbusters/
yay!
As if pappa johns wasn't bad enough with it's sports placement, but we have to put up with them in the movies.
http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/papa-johns-teams-up-with-sony-pictures-for-ghostbusters/
OldKen
Master Member
FunkyJedi, I too want this movie to be good. I want a 3rd GB!!!
All I'm saying is this: it's this simple... Bad movies have great trailers almost ALL OF THE TIME.
When you can't capture a few moments of magic edited into a short trailer... That is a really bad sign.
Fantastic4 is a good example.
BvS trailers had a few head scratching moments.
But NEVER have I ever seen a movies promotion that can't scrape together a bit of real humor or nostalgia... Even just cheap quirky tie ins etc. nothing I have seen out of this does anything for me other than make me cringe.
All I'm saying is this: it's this simple... Bad movies have great trailers almost ALL OF THE TIME.
When you can't capture a few moments of magic edited into a short trailer... That is a really bad sign.
Fantastic4 is a good example.
BvS trailers had a few head scratching moments.
But NEVER have I ever seen a movies promotion that can't scrape together a bit of real humor or nostalgia... Even just cheap quirky tie ins etc. nothing I have seen out of this does anything for me other than make me cringe.
KrangPrime
Master Member
the advice i give to people now is, if you really want to see how bad it is opening night, pay to see another movie, and then go in to see feigbusters. no one cares what theater you go in anyway. most staff at the movie theaters i visit barely remember what you want about a minute after you order it
don't contribute to the hollywood problem by giving it money ;o)
don't contribute to the hollywood problem by giving it money ;o)
the advice i give to people now is, if you really want to see how bad it is opening night, pay to see another movie, and then go in to see feigbusters. no one cares what theater you go in anyway. most staff at the movie theaters i visit barely remember what you want about a minute after you order it
don't contribute to the hollywood problem by giving it money ;o)
I honestly don't feel that strongly about it, and I've given my money to WAY crappier movies than this.
I still don't have high hopes for this, but ultimately my ire is more directed at the "You're a horrible loser for not being excited about a REMAKE (of all things)" crowd, and not so much at the movie itself. The movie will probably do well. At least opening weekend. Reporters often forget that opening weekend numbers are not related to how good the movie is...those are all people who havent seen it yet...it's just a reflection of how widespread the marketing is, and this one is not exactly sneaking under the radar.
d_osborn
Sr Member
I think the crowd you mentioned is referring more to the overly vocal/hateful people that are bitching about it constantly... not so much the fans generally not excited for the reboot.
ghostryder
Legendary Member
KrangPrime
Master Member
the poor saps in singapore are lining up right now to worship feig and mcarthy and the ground they walk on as ghostbuster gods....(pardon me while I wretch)
one or two instances of slight language, but I LIKE this guy, and i hate saying that about youtubers.
one or two instances of slight language, but I LIKE this guy, and i hate saying that about youtubers.
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Could not agree with him more. Fantastic. And laughed at the fantastic 4 v deadpool part.
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