General Doctor Whoniverse Discussion

Adric was certainly not among my most favorite companions but when the end credits rolled silently after his demise I was stunned cold. That moment still has an effect on me every time I see it.


When I saw that I thought a similar thing - he's really dead. I was surprised, but the more I thought about it, the more it bugged me. He didn't seem to be a major companion, kind of whiny, doctor didn't seem overly attached to him, and it was his choice and he knew he wouldn't make it. Even at that, in the proceding episodes, there was a total of maybe 15 seconds of mouring over his passing and then nothing til the 20th anniversary episode when he appears as just an image...and even then, no sorrowful response or anything.

I think it's way past time someone dies and it has a very lasting effect.
 
When I saw that I thought a similar thing - he's really dead. I was surprised, but the more I thought about it, the more it bugged me. He didn't seem to be a major companion, kind of whiny, doctor didn't seem overly attached to him, and it was his choice and he knew he wouldn't make it. Even at that, in the proceding episodes, there was a total of maybe 15 seconds of mouring over his passing and then nothing til the 20th anniversary episode when he appears as just an image...and even then, no sorrowful response or anything.

I think it's way past time someone dies and it has a very lasting effect.

Yet when Davison's Doctor died his last word was Adric.

They did move on pretty quickly though, it was odd. But the last episode we was in was great and the end really made it hit home with the broken star.
 
Yet when Davison's Doctor died his last word was Adric.

They did move on pretty quickly though, it was odd. But the last episode we was in was great and the end really made it hit home with the broken star.

yeah, the doc dug Adric if for nothing else he was one of a few companions he could talk high level stuff w/o having to dumb it down.
 
Writing back then was a lot less tightly controlled and the arcs were a lot less clearly defined. You had the Black Guardian thing during Davison's period, and the Key to Time during Tom Baker's but otherwise...yeah, it was just a 6-episode or 4-episode or sometimes 2-episode bit of stories (episodes being 22 min back then).


As such, I think it was a lot less likely that a companion's death or absence would be felt long-term. In addition, with Adric specifically, the production team (in DVD extras -- which are almost always good), discussed how Adric was never clearly defined. They had a character bio, but the charcter himself was never really effectively developed. The scripts for him were very erratic, so, like, in one episode he'd die rather than help the villain because he's loyal to the Doctor, and then in the next, he's all "Oh, you have a lovely idea here for ruling the universe. I'll help you out because it's logical."

It just didn't make a ton of sense.

The flipside of this is how they DIDN'T develop the Sixth Doctor who was initially supposed to just be erratic and cranky -- but because he was suffering from a wonky regeneration. Eventually, he was supposed to get darker and more calculating....but it never happened. They just kept writing him as cantankerous and snappy until the very last season with the Trial of a Time Lord. So nobody ever liked him because he never developed. He was just obnoxious (and obnoxiously dressed, instead of the black velvet he was supposed to wear or something).

JNT strikes again, I guess.
 
I think both he and his companions had potential. Even the stories themselves were decent during that run. The real problem was the scripts and the fact that they had somehow just decided that this Doctor would be the "garishly dressed cranky Doctor."
 
It wasn't until I came back to Who years later (and a little before the new series started) that I discovered my childhood memory had somehow run from Davison to McCoy, missing out Colin Baker.
Granted I was very young, and my vague memories really only consisted of being scared by Davison era Cybermen, and him shouting run. But how it ended up that my next memories would be of McCoy versus Daleks, cat people and the Bertie Basset man (and a crush on Ace) with nothing in between, I don't know.
 
Sadly for me by the time it got to McCoy it was clear that certain people didn't care anymore. Which again, is a shame considering he was a good Doctor. Never cared for Ace though, or Mel for that matter.
 
Tuned in for McCoy once Colin was clear. He was a better doc, but I wasn't into Ace and bailed again. Have never seen a Mel ep.

It's ridiculous how much Tom Baker I watch with my 3yr old daughter. She cannot get enough Robots of Death.
 
No I have not! I'll have to check it out. :D

I would really love if they redid those stories. Give Sam Troughton 10 years and some make up and he might look the part.
 
Writing back then was a lot less tightly controlled and the arcs were a lot less clearly defined. You had the Black Guardian thing during Davison's period, and the Key to Time during Tom Baker's but otherwise...yeah, it was just a 6-episode or 4-episode or sometimes 2-episode bit of stories (episodes being 22 min back then).


As such, I think it was a lot less likely that a companion's death or absence would be felt long-term. In addition, with Adric specifically, the production team (in DVD extras -- which are almost always good), discussed how Adric was never clearly defined. They had a character bio, but the charcter himself was never really effectively developed. The scripts for him were very erratic, so, like, in one episode he'd die rather than help the villain because he's loyal to the Doctor, and then in the next, he's all "Oh, you have a lovely idea here for ruling the universe. I'll help you out because it's logical."

It just didn't make a ton of sense.

The flipside of this is how they DIDN'T develop the Sixth Doctor who was initially supposed to just be erratic and cranky -- but because he was suffering from a wonky regeneration. Eventually, he was supposed to get darker and more calculating....but it never happened. They just kept writing him as cantankerous and snappy until the very last season with the Trial of a Time Lord. So nobody ever liked him because he never developed. He was just obnoxious (and obnoxiously dressed, instead of the black velvet he was supposed to wear or something).

JNT strikes again, I guess.

I think that may be it. His death only hit me at the end of that episode. They moved on pretty much immediately in the next episode. Couple that with the fact that his character was all over the place during his run and there you go. Sure, he regretted losing him, but you never saw any hesitancy (at least none I can recall) about companions running out of eyeshot or being near danger or anything.
 
My all time favourite Colin Baker moment is in 'attack of the cybermen' surrounded by cybermen the doctor tries to push peri to safety, only to end up shoving her right into the cyberleader whilst yelling 'rrrrun peri!'. That story and 'revelation of the daleks' were imo not too bad, the rest was pretty dire but hey ho!
 
It's all watchable to me. Are there some moments where you have to wince? Sure, but I can't say I hated Baker's stories.
 
What surprised me most in his cybermen episode was the gory head shot killing one of the cybermen. Contrast that with the super cheesy death scene in (i think) Tomb of the Cybermen during Troughtman's run where there was apparently worry that the soap suds coming out of killed cyberman's body was just way too gruesome. They did end up airing it, but that head shot was a surprise - you even saw robot brains shoot out the back of his head :)
 
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