Game of Thrones

[DuneMuadDib]

I also like the hypocrisy of the fan base of this show. Rape a woman, the Internet loses its freaking head and even U.S. Senators speak out about it. Burn a little girl to death and *cricket chirps*.

Society clearly views sex crimes as some order(s) of magnitude worse than child murder.

Some of it may also be that for the audience there's a difference between the explicit rape of a character we're invested in (Sansa, Cersei) and the implied rape of that brothel girl. There's been less time to grow attached to Shireen and she hasn't been put through the ringer nearly as much as some other characters so it's perhaps less of a "leave her alone already" feeling for the audience. It's all terrible stuff but people are going to have stronger reactions to things that happen to people they care about than to random individuals.

 

[firesprite]

As has been said before, close air support rocks!

Once Stannis makes a plan, he sticks with it. That can be a strength and a weakness. In this situation he found himself with no reasonable option, so to keep his crown and the remainder of his men, he chose to make a horrible sacrifice.

Of course, he could've boinked Mellisandre so their demon baby could clear Winterfell of all its defenders, but that'd have been too much trouble...

He's asked Melisandre on more than one occasion to use that option again and she's refused him at every turn. In essence, she claims his blood doesn't have enough power left which is why she was trying to boink Jon at the wall.

 

[Goodwolf]

In essence, she claims his blood doesn't have enough power left which is why she was trying to boink Jon at the wall.

This makes me wonder exactly how she defines King's Blood. Stannis is, by law at least, not king. He's the brother of (according to the Targaryens) of a usurper to the true Crown. Jon is the ******* of a line that hasn't been properly called kings in many generations. Seems to be a pretty loose definition and makes me think something else is afoot.

 

[Riceball]

I just have to say WTH Jon? You would think he would immediately call the senior Night's Watch and say "Hey you will not believe the **** we just saw!", but he just stands there. I think they would have been a lot more at peace with the Wildlings if they knew the White Walkers were on the move.

I also like the hypocrisy of the fan base of this show. Rape a woman, the Internet loses its freaking head and even U.S. Senators speak out about it. Burn a little girl to death and *cricket chirps*.

I think the reason why Jon didn't say anything was because he was too tired, physically and mentally, from what he saw and did to really form his thoughts. After fighting the fight of your life, seeing everybody who died in the fight just rise up and come back to "life" as zombie, then march from however far the ports were to the Wall while herding far fewer refugees than you hoped to have, I don't think I'd be in much of a mood to talk to anyone, much less someone you don't really like or really likes you.

I agree on the whole hypocrisy of fandom, everybody is up in arms over a martial rape scene but are all quiet when a young child is burned to death. What's worse is, we really don't see much of the rape, we know it happened but we don't see Sansa screaming and protesting but everybody is all upset over it. Then we Stannis' daughter being led to the stake, kicking and screaming once she realizes what's about to happen, then we hear her scream (quite horrendously) once she's starting to feel the flames; I'd say that was far worse than Sansa quietly accepting her fate.

 

[The Mad Professor]

Personally, I don't take stock in assigning degrees of badness to such actions. Raping someone and killing a child are equally heinous crimes, in my opinion, and both are deserving of the slowest possible form of death that can be meted out.

Same thing goes got Ser Meryn Trant. However, I've this unique sensation that he's about to bite it by Arya's hand, and she will deliver unto him a similar line that she did to the guy who stole Needle. Something to make him remember who she is.

 

[The Mad Professor]

 

[DuneMuadDib]

This makes me wonder exactly how she defines King's Blood. Stannis is, by law at least, not king. He's the brother of (according to the Targaryens) of a usurper to the true Crown. Jon is the ******* of a line that hasn't been properly called kings in many generations. Seems to be a pretty loose definition and makes me think something else is afoot.

Jon's still descended from the Kings in the North, and the Baratheon line has Targeryen blood in it a few times over so ignoring Stannis' claim to the throne he still has King's Blood in him (however diluted it may be).

 

[The Mad Professor]

I still want to see Dany drop down into Stannis' camp on Drogon's back and say to Melisandre: "So, you worship fire? Worship this. Dracarys."

I would literally have to change my pants if that happened on screen for any number of reasons.

 

[PotionMistress]

One thing is for sure, even though I was beginning to lean toward Stannis' camp, I am now completely unsympathetic toward his cause and could never root for him or his team. He has shown his true colors and he is not fit to be King.

In his last talk with Shereen, he said something to the effect of , if a man knows who he truly is, he has to be true to himself and fulfil his destiny, no matter how much he hates it. Well, that's it. He thinks of himself as noble and doing the right thing, but in fact, he is the ambitious, humorless and loathsome person he turned out to be.

 

[The Mad Professor]

Please... Only The Mountain That Rides may sit upon the Iron Throne.

 

[firesprite]

This makes me wonder exactly how she defines King's Blood. Stannis is, by law at least, not king. He's the brother of (according to the Targaryens) of a usurper to the true Crown. Jon is the ******* of a line that hasn't been properly called kings in many generations. Seems to be a pretty loose definition and makes me think something else is afoot.

Jon's still descended from the Kings in the North, and the Baratheon line has Targeryen blood in it a few times over so ignoring Stannis' claim to the throne he still has King's Blood in him (however diluted it may be).

Most of the noble houses have some degree of Targaryen blood in them. As for Jon, I suppose it depends on if you're a proponent of the L+R=J theory, which I happen to be.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

He's asked Melisandre on more than one occasion to use that option again and she's refused him at every turn. In essence, she claims his blood doesn't have enough power left which is why she was trying to boink Jon at the wall.

From the show she whips of her clothes and screws everyone. Maybe she doesn't have much of whatever magic she has left in her?! :lol

 

[Hammer3246]

From the show she whips of her clothes and screws everyone. Maybe she doesn't have much of whatever magic she has left in her?! [emoji38]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that either.

 

[The Mad Professor]

 

[kibosh]

Spoiler

Essentially yes. They collect them from the dead that are offered up to the faceless god by coming to the House like you saw in the episode and other ways. The bodies are cleaned by the lower initiates and then taken to have the face removed by next level ones(as we saw in the episode). They then wear them to pass themselves off as other people when on their missions. The wearer when they don the "mask" also gets a glimpse into the life of the of the face they wear.

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So you think they wear physical masks? That was not the impression I got fr4om the books nor the show. Doesn't Jaqen (sp?) change faces multiple times? That would mean he has multiple faces with him. And doesn't he kind of wave his hand in front of his face, and his faces changes in front of Arya?

So I wonder what the dragons can do against the White Walkers? It would make sense that fire would work on them.

I disagree. When the white walker walks into the inferno in the hut, the flames retreated away from him. It was only because of his entrance that Jon could look for the dragonglass.

I really thought Yoda was gonna swoop in there with the clone gunships for a second.

For a few frames, that looked like a shot-for-shot recreation!

I also didn't think Shireen was going to be sacrificed. I figured it would be Selyse that would be steadfast in burning her with her stronger devotion to the faith and that Stannis would waiver from his love for his daughter..who is probably the only person he loves in the books and the show..

That was truly awful. And I thought Stannis would waver as well, not Selyse.

Of course, he could've boinked Mellisandre so their demon baby could clear Winterfell of all its defenders, but that'd have been too much trouble...

He tried to a couple episodes ago. She bent over the table to move the troop markers around, and he reached out for her hip, and she immediatley drew away from him.

So...is Dany safe from stone man curse? Since Ser Friendzone was touching her skin with out gloves on.

They really did make a big point to show that. Was it because of the gray scale, or showing that she can forgive?

Gendry/Edric he did not kill, but just used leaches.

Couln't they have just used leeches on Shireen, too?

If anything, I would think her small council was glad she got the hell out of there safely. it is there job to protect her and seeing her riding off on the back of a dragon was surely a pretty good escape.

Don't forget, while it is a dragon, it is still a young dragon and taking all those spears at some point is going to take its toll. I believe Drogon had run out of steam for his fire as well, otherwise Danny would have got the full blast when he turned and opened his mouth as if to breath fire before he realized who it was.

Her and Drogon getting out of there was and should have been the main objective. There was not much more they could have done without risking themselves. Had Drogon been fully grown and Danny been more intune with riding him and controlling him it might be a different story.

At this point I don't believe she has much control over him to even make him go back once he tool off. I believe she was along for a ride more than an actual driver at that point.

At least that's how it seemed to play out in the books

Agreed. It showed Drogon was formidable, but not yet an all powerful weapon. I hope he recovers and makes another incredible return. And her escape WAS the main objective of them all.

None the less, I found that scene almost more heart wrenching than the red wedding. Her screams... Stannis' heart is probably colder than a White Walker's heart.

I don't know. He was visibly hurting from what he was doing, but he did it none the less. It was at least painful for him, so he does have feelings.

I also like the hypocrisy of the fan base of this show. Rape a woman, the Internet loses its freaking head and even U.S. Senators speak out about it. Burn a little girl to death and *cricket chirps*.

This. Seriously people.

 

[DuneMuadDib]

Spoiler

So you think they wear physical masks? That was not the impression I got fr4om the books nor the show. Doesn't Jaqen (sp?) change faces multiple times? That would mean he has multiple faces with him. And doesn't he kind of wave his hand in front of his face, and his faces changes in front of Arya?

Spoiler

Arya wears a face as a physical mask in the books. My take is that Jaqen is advanced enough that he can change his appearance without using a mask through some sort of glamour, but mask-faces are available for use by those still learning or those who outright don't have that skill.

Given that no one who's touched Jorah since he got infected with Greyscale has touched the infected bit I think they're okay. If he goes around rubbing the inside of his left arm against people then they may be in trouble.

 

[pitchforknumb]

I'm really hoping Brianne kills Stannis 10 times over in the next episode. It's pretty bad when you can't decide if it would be better or worse if Stannis defeats the Boltons at Winterfell.

 

[firesprite]

I disagree. When the white walker walks into the inferno in the hut, the flames retreated away from him. It was only because of his entrance that Jon could look for the dragonglass.

Dragonfire is not normal fire.

Per the Citadel Condordance:
Balerion the Black Dread was Aegon's dragon. It could have swallowed an aurochs or a mammoth whole, its fire was black as its scales, and when it flew whole towns were darkened by its shadow (I: 102. II: 141)

Vhaghar was Visenya's dragon. Vhagar's breath could melt a knight's armor and cook the man inside, and it could swallow a man on horseback whole (I: 102. II: 141)




There's a reason "Dragonglass" works against the White Walkers/Others, and it's not because obsidian is sharp. MY belief is that true dragonglass was created by dragonfire which means it contains residual magic.

The armor of the Others are said to be proof against ordinary weapons and that their own blades are so cold as to shatter ordinary steel. They are said to be vulnerable to dragonglass, however, and fire is said to dismay them (IV: 80)

 

[SmilingOtter]

I'm really hoping Brianne kills Stannis 10 times over in the next episode. It's pretty bad when you can't decide if it would be better or worse if Stannis defeats the Boltons at Winterfell.

Brienne is going to have to get in line behind Davos. Stannis and Melissandre's best hope is that he just walks away from them when he finds out what happened.

 

[Riceball]

Coudln't they have just used leeches on Shireen, too?

Iirc, leeches are only a half measure and does not yield the same results/grant the same amount of power as sacrificing a whole human being.