Female representation in hollywood

[Mr Mold Maker]

I've been a Ghostbuster's fan ever since I was in my single digits and I don't need you to speak for me. This Ghostbuters fan is looking forward to the new movie and I hope it winds up being both fun and exciting.

It's crazy how wrong it feels when one person tries to speak for a whole group of people, right Jeyl?

Right?

 

[EmmaInCandyland]

opcorn :eek opcorn :confused opcorn

 

[Jeyl]

It's crazy how wrong it feels when one person tries to speak for a whole group of people, right Jeyl?

Right?

I'm not speaking for a whole group of people nor throwing around comments about how they should be feeling about my opinions. I'm simply speaking about how "I" myself feel that the female representation in Hollywood is lacking. You want to see what it looks like when someone really speaks for a whole group of people regarding the gender representation of one movie?

So do yourself and all men across the world a favor. Not only REFUSE to see the movie, but spread the word to as many men as possible. Not all of them have the keen eye we do here at ROK. And most will be taken in by fire tornadoes and explosions. Because if they sheepishly attend and Fury Road is a blockbuster, then you, me, and all the other men (and real women) in the world will never be able to see a real action movie ever again that doesn’t contain some damn political lecture or moray about feminism, SJW-ing, and socialism.

Screw that noise.

 

[dascoyne]

I have a wife.
If she doesn't care then neither do I.



She doesn't care.

 

[Riceball]

Actually, I find his knowledge of martial arts to be very much in character for him specifically. Remember that Four's history is that he was the heir to an empire. In many governments with an imperial or monarch as ruler throughout history, the nobility is expected to know how to fight. Nobility, especially the upper echelons, were expected to be able to effectively wage war if needed. This still holds true today around the world, even if we in the U.S. pay it little more than lip service with the President also being the Commander-in-Chief.

Now, if Four had been some random guy of Asian descent that was a master martial artist, then I could get behind your point, However, Four had been trained as a warrior by the best warrior in his father's service in expectation of rising to the throne of Emperor (before Step-Mommy-Not-So-Dearest intervened) and had participated in military campaigns before his frame-up. Given this, I don't see him knowing martial arts as any kind of stereotype. He knows martial arts because he was heavily trained in it, and that training was part and parcel to his backstory as a character.

4's martial arts ability does make sense in light of his back story but before they got into that and explained why he knew martial arts I practically groaned out loud when I first saw him going through his moves. I thought to myself, of course the Asian guy knows martial arts and I still feel that way, to a degree. Sure, it's part of his back story but they didn't have to include martial arts training as part of his back story and actually have an Asian guy who doesn't know martial arts. Either that or make his character and/or get an actor that's more interesting and charismatic. I find 4 to be the most boring character on that show by far and I'm Asian and I like seeing fellow Asians on screen but 4 puts me to sleep.

 

[Jeyl]

That's nice and all, but what does it have to do with female representation in Hollywood?

 

[Riceball]

That's nice and all, but what does it have to do with female representation in Hollywood?

Everything and nothing.

 

[CutThumb]

I expect they are leading into that old infamous argument about the lack of Asian women in film and television. Oh, ummmmmm, except in China of course, and Japan, and Korea (South not to sure about the North but probably) and then there is India and Malaysia and Thailand. Hold on!!!!!!!!!! I've got it!!!! My new mission.
Why aren't there more WESTERN women in Asian films and television. Its discrimination at its worst I tell you .Now all I have to do is find a website and keep telling everybody. Hold on dammit my Mandarin is a little rusty!

 

[Jeyl]

Unless anyone has anything else to contribute to this thread's, I think it should be closed. While I continue to believe the subject is important and warrants discussion, this thread has devolved into nothing more than a spot for users to demean others. I have never seen so many users go out of their way to try and make me feel more disrespected and uncomfortable in a thread that they themselves want me to stay in.

 

[The Mad Professor]

4's martial arts ability does make sense in light of his back story but before they got into that and explained why he knew martial arts I practically groaned out loud when I first saw him going through his moves. I thought to myself, of course the Asian guy knows martial arts and I still feel that way, to a degree. Sure, it's part of his back story but they didn't have to include martial arts training as part of his back story and actually have an Asian guy who doesn't know martial arts. Either that or make his character and/or get an actor that's more interesting and charismatic. I find 4 to be the most boring character on that show by far and I'm Asian and I like seeing fellow Asians on screen but 4 puts me to sleep.

Why wouldn't they have to include martial arts? He was the heir to an empire that was heavily inspired by Asian culture, particularly the samurai. Given his backstory, I would find it more disappointing if he WASN'T trained in martial arts, as it would be a serious gap in his training that would make him ill-suited to becoming emperor, as one cannot expect others to fight for him if he is incapable of doing so himself.

As to whether or not he is boring, that's just a matter of opinion. I find his brooding intensity to be great when taken into consideration with the rest of the crew. The character that I find to be the most two-dimensional is Three. Sure, he's had a moment or two of development, but he's mainly self-serving, like Jayne, but without the charisma.

 

[jlee562]

Unless anyone has anything else to contribute to this thread's, I think it should be closed. While I continue to believe the subject is important and warrants discussion, this thread has devolved into nothing more than a spot for users to demean others. I have never seen so many users go out of their way to try and make me feel more disrespected and uncomfortable in a thread that they themselves want me to stay in.

Indeed.

We're told not to discuss such issues in other discussion threads, as they are somehow "not relevant" to the film (which is itself, a beguiling claim). And then, when this separate thread goes up....well, not so much discussion of the actual issue.

 

[dascoyne]

I expect they are leading into that old infamous argument about the lack of Asian women in film and television. Oh, ummmmmm, except in China of course, and Japan, and Korea (South not to sure about the North but probably) and then there is India and Malaysia and Thailand. Hold on!!!!!!!!!! I've got it!!!! My new mission.
Why aren't there more WESTERN women in Asian films and television. Its discrimination at its worst I tell you .Now all I have to do is find a website and keep telling everybody. Hold on dammit my Mandarin is a little rusty!

If Asia were full of westerners I would say you have a case.
As it stands their films are still a more accurate representation of the cultural cross section in which the film's are set.

 

[Bryancd]

Indeed.

We're told not to discuss such issues in other discussion threads, as they are somehow "not relevant" to the film (which is itself, a beguiling claim). And then, when this separate thread goes up....well, not so much discussion of the actual issue.

Not so, but the reality is the poor/under representation of women in popular entertainment has been changing over the past few years, even Jeyl acknowledges that, so it's an issue being addressed. The only complaint therefore is that its either not happening fast enough or is not being implemented correctly. In regards to the former, that may be the case. In regards to the later, that's up for individual opinion. The reason there is the negativity in this thread is a bit of karma. This topic has been interjected in so many threads, often completely without merit like in The Force Awakens discussion, and in a very negative way and people are sick of it. Not the idea of discussing representation of women in films, just having the accusation thrown at every film and TV show being made today. It's tiresome and does nothing to advance the cause.

 

[CutThumb]

Actually what I think people are trying to say is "this is what it feels like when an intrusive and unrelated topic is posted in a thread that has no relevance or need there,based simply on their point of view".
Jeyl ,you can certainly dish it out. But??????

Out of interest there are a few members of this forum who are actually working on this film and the other related material. Unfortunately clauses in their contract and other agreements prevent them from replying to your posts. However, upon the films release they will be able to. You are currently storing up a lot of ill will with your rather self biased observations, and I've advised you as politely as I can that your perceptions are most likely "misplaced".
Actually Disney and the films producers are paying a lot of attention to whats being said on forums. I'll give you two examples:
The most obvious one has been the strong hints that a key character dies. This is a huge gamble for the makers of a new trilogy to take, so they have actually been testing the water with the real fans without making any outright announcement, to test reactions so to speak.
And?? Mostly it appears to have been the right dramatic decision to make. People are upset by it, but they are accepting of it. Its not going to
critically hurting the reception of the film. I would note given your posts God help us all if it was Leia they decided to kill.
But again that could also be misleading information or redirection (Ahem).
The most obvious debate ,other than the above ,has been the opening of the film ie the lightsaber falling from space. It seems to be that this has certainly been "Played " upon and I doubt very much if its what we will get. How the hell does Maz get a prestine ESB sabre to hand to Leia then?
Secondly they do take warranted negative feedback into account. I cannot verify this but the apparently "reshoots" scheduled to happen at a certain location are specifically because there has been a lot of poor feedback about the screen time given to a key person gets at the end of the film. So the role has been expanded a bit. Again it makes total sense to me and I applaud the sensitivity shown towards fans that's actually being taken by the makers of the movie. They want to deliver a film the fans are totally thrilled by.
Interestingly I note the second Empire cover has Rey standing proud as the lead figure, though once again she is "sandwiched" between her two co actors. No, oh wait a minute, its a bigger cover and they are actually able to give her a bit more room in a desert rather than having to squash her up on a small poster with everybody else.
At least that's my perception of it.

 

[Bryancd]

Actually what I think people are trying to say is "this is what it feels like when an intrusive and unrelated topic is posted in a thread that has no relevance or need there,based simply on their point of view".
Jeyl ,you can certainly dish it out. But??????

Out of interest there are a few members of this forum who are actually working on this film and the other related material. Unfortunately clauses in their contract and other agreements prevent them from replying to your posts. However, upon the films release they will be able to. You are currently storing up a lot of ill with your observations, and I've advised you as politely as I can that your perceptions are most likely "misplaced".
Actually Disney and the films producers are paying a lot of attention to whats being said on forums. I'll give you two examples:
The most obvious one has been the strong hints that a key character dies. This is a huge gamble for the makers of a new trilogy to take, so they have actually been testing the water with the real fans without making any outright announcement, to test reactions so to speak.
And?? Mostly it appears to have been the right dramatic decision to make. People are upset by it, but they are accepting of it. Its not going to hurt the film and perhaps actually will add to it. I would note given your posts God help us all if it was Leia they decided to kill.
Secondly they do take note of what is being said. I cannot verify this but the apparently "reshoots" scheduled to happen at a certain location are specifically because there has been a lot of negative feedback about the screen time a key person gets at the end of the film. So the role has been expanded a bit. Again it makes total sense to me and I applaud the sensitivity towards fans that's actually being shown by the makers of the film. They want to deliver a film the fans are totally thrilled by.
Interestingly I note the second Empire cover has Rey standing proud as the lead figure, though once again she is "sandwiched" between her two co actors. No, oh wait a minute its a bigger cover and they are actually able to give her a bit of room rather than having to squash her up on a small poster. At least that's my perception of it.

Hey, would you mind posting this in the TFA Spoiler thread as well, that's really interesting.

 

[Solo4114]

I haven't followed the Force Awakens thread at all mostly to avoid spoilers....but they better not kill Han. That's all I'm sayin'.

Or at least, if they do, do it because it works within the story and is necessary in the moment and to further other characters' development. NOT just to "make us think they'll 'Wild Bunch' the whole team" or "to hit an emotional beat in the moment."

 

[Bryancd]

I haven't followed the Force Awakens thread at all mostly to avoid spoilers....but they better not kill Han. That's all I'm sayin'.

Or at least, if they do, do it because it works within the story and is necessary in the moment and to further other characters' development. NOT just to "make us think they'll 'Wild Bunch' the whole team" or "to hit an emotional beat in the moment."

I have suggested to people not participating in those threads to keep their minds open and allow for anything to happen as to avoid personal head canon disappointment.

 

[Jeyl]

Actually what I think people are trying to say is "this is what it feels like when an intrusive and unrelated topic is posted in a thread that has no relevance or need there,based simply on their point of view".

Well, it didn't work because when I post in the thread about Star Wars, I'm still talking in the realm of Star Wars. And if you or anyone want to show how better you are than I am, you could try making an example of what you want instead of exaggerating the thing you don't like.

 

[Solo4114]

I have suggested to people not participating in those threads to keep their minds open and allow for anything to happen as to avoid personal head canon disappointment.

That's part of why I'd stayed out. I just know there've been rumors swirling about Ford's desire to be done and to have Han killed to ensure this. I'd rather not have that happen, or if it does, have it happen in a way that I think is really justified and meaningful.

But I digress.

 

[Bryancd]

That's part of why I'd stayed out. I just know there've been rumors swirling about Ford's desire to be done and to have Han killed to ensure this. I'd rather not have that happen, or if it does, have it happen in a way that I think is really justified and meaningful.

But I digress.

You're not going to be disappointed either way....