alright so I dragged nuts on this long enough ,...getting back on it this week,......the mannequin sculpt fell apart after I fixed the arms,....no biggie,...gives me a chance to fix what I didn't like anyway so ,.....gonna detail the head and mold him ,....the mannequins wearing my goalie **** right now so ,....ill rip him apart and start the body after the heads done ,........i'll update thanks guys