eFX A New Hope Darth Vader Helmet

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People are gonna be pissed when the SW BR comes out. :confused

Cause I have an HD copy of ANH on my macbook and pulled it out a bit ago.... I honestly DID always think that was a scratch. A fine scratch but a scratch... :angel

Wow... :confused

I honestly would have never bought the "drybrush theory" but seriously, anyone with a HD copy of ANH and a good screen to view it on... just look for yourself.

There may be some artifacts UNDER it that help trick the eye into seeing a scratch but it seriously does appear to be... mostly paint.

I agree with Clutch that eFX needs to keep it subtle. THERE but subtle.

Zenwalker said:
OK, I have been reading this thread now off and on for a couple days now. When this whole C-scar issue came up I decided to pop in my copy of Star Wars and watch the close up of Vader 's facemask in the Tantive iV scene when he's talking to Leia. Before that I had read CS Maclaren's post where he had said the C-scar is dimensional because of how it caught the light as Vader turned his head. After watching that close-up shot of Vader's facemask frame by frame back and forth I was also convinced that the C-scar was dimensional.

Then Gino came along and showed the pics of the cheek area of the Baker Mold without the c-scar. I went back and watched that shot again FRAME BY FRAME BACK AND FORTH several times. I watched this on a new top of the line calibrated 60 " Panasonic HDTV, the source was DVD taken from a PAL disc and upscaled through my Blu-ray disc player. So not a native HD source but still very sharp and good enough to see what I had to see.

What I noticed was that the gunmetal paint splotches on the upper top corner and lower bottom corner of Vader's right cheek had reacted to light in a similar manner as the 'C-scar' area. That is, as Vader turns his head from left to right, away from the light source, the upper corner gunmetal paint splotch faded out and nearly disappears, while the lower paint blemish disappears completely as does the c-scar area.

What I am saying here is that the 'c-scar' is actually reacting to the light the same way as the gunmetal paint blemishes do in the same area(plane)/ angle to the light source. And not as others have said, that it was reacting differently to the painted areas and therefore had to be a topological mark, scratch or paint chip.

Take from this what you will, but after seeing the photos of the Baker Molds and then watching this area carefully from that shot in the film I am convinced that Gino is correct when he says the 'c-scar' is painted and not a chip, scratch, etc.

On how it got there - who can say? Gino says it was deliberate weathering. I believe as someone said earlier that it was probably handled improperly and someone's finger had wet paint on it or something and voila! C-scar! But I am definitely thinking it is just a paint element.
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Zenwalker said:
OK, I have been reading this thread now off and on for a couple days now. When this whole C-scar issue came up I decided to pop in my copy of Star Wars and watch the close up of Vader 's facemask in the Tantive iV scene when he's talking to Leia. Before that I had read CS Maclaren's post where he had said the C-scar is dimensional because of how it caught the light as Vader turned his head. After watching that close-up shot of Vader's facemask frame by frame back and forth I was also convinced that the C-scar was dimensional.

Then Gino came along and showed the pics of the cheek area of the Baker Mold without the c-scar. I went back and watched that shot again FRAME BY FRAME BACK AND FORTH several times. I watched this on a new top of the line calibrated 60 " Panasonic HDTV, the source was DVD taken from a PAL disc and upscaled through my Blu-ray disc player. So not a native HD source but still very sharp and good enough to see what I had to see.

What I noticed was that the gunmetal paint splotches on the upper top corner and lower bottom corner of Vader's right cheek had reacted to light in a similar manner as the 'C-scar' area. That is, as Vader turns his head from left to right, away from the light source, the upper corner gunmetal paint splotch faded out and nearly disappears, while the lower paint blemish disappears completely as does the c-scar area.

What I am saying here is that the 'c-scar' is actually reacting to the light the same way as the gunmetal paint blemishes do in the same area(plane)/ angle to the light source. And not as others have said, that it was reacting differently to the painted areas and therefore had to be a topological mark, scratch or paint chip.

Take from this what you will, but after seeing the photos of the Baker Molds and then watching this area carefully from that shot in the film I am convinced that Gino is correct when he says the 'c-scar' is painted and not a chip, scratch, etc.

On how it got there - who can say? Gino says it was deliberate weathering. I believe as someone said earlier that it was probably handled improperly and someone's finger had wet paint on it or something and voila! C-scar! But I am definitely thinking it is just a paint element.
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after checking your post, i went on youtube and checked the A New Hope HD part 1 video.
I agree with you, also, the cheek is curved, so thats why many people could get distracted by saying that that middle part of the cheek (where the C scar is) reacts differently.

Also, i notices that when he moves his head, in the middle close to the C section you can see like a finger print kind of stain, almost like grease.
 
After studying the photo of the Baker mold I think you guys are right- there is a c-scar in the mold and it must be on all the Vader casts.

Look closely, it's there.




bakermoldcomp-vi.jpg
 
Yup, can't wait till September when the Blu-ray comes out. Then we should really be able to see some things we have never seen before! Boldly!
 
OldKen said:
There may be some artifacts UNDER it that help trick the eye into seeing a scratch but it seriously does appear to be... mostly paint.
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That's exactly right. There are dimensional artifacts under the c-scar but the c-scar itself is just a wisp of gunmetal drybrushing.


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James Kenobi 1138 said:
After studying the photo of the Baker mold I think you guys are right- there is a c-scar in the mold and it must be on all the Vader casts.

Look closely, it's there.




bakermoldcomp-vi.jpg
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The lower little lines are there, but i dont see the C.
There are those little marks though.

Well,i see a C, a big white one...you are right...i see the C.

I can see...i can see
 
There is a significant number of people in this thread who were likely born via C-Section. It's the only theory I can muster for such an insane obsession. :p
 
Bigturc said:
I have screen caps of the HD here that I grabbed over time for people asking for them.
I will update with everything I can get on Vader later .. (just make sure you are in "Original" mode at the bottom of the screen).

Screen Cap Photo Gallery by Alain at pbase.com
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Nice Turc!

SN_ANH_Vader_ConferenceRoom_0.jpg photo - Alain photos at pbase.com

That one is odd. You can't see the C. And the blemish on the side of the right cheek catches the light in a really odd way making it look like it is going all the way to where the C would start.

Hmm...
 
Juansith said:
I cant speak for everyone, but i hope you dont take other peoples bashing seriously at the point where you decide to put future projects on a crystal bubble, away from the community opinions and interests.

Part of whats exciting about this EFX Vader project is that we have been very close and have learned really good stuff.

Please dont break the link with us just because some people have an agenda.

Again thanks.
Juan.
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Just to make things more clear, I believe there's next to no bashing of EFX going on here. Most of the attacks have been aimed at Gino from what I've read in these many pages.

And it's okay, you've not been here for long and neither have I, but this sort of direction the thread went in is not abnormal for the RPF, especially when it's about Vader. As in, it's gone on for years and years.

I doubt EFX will suddenly crawl into their shell and withhold information now just because people are acting like they've always acted.
 
I've seen marks on my car (black) and also my wood floors that when inspected were only marks I could rub off. But damn, if I didn't think it was some huge gouge when loking at them from certain angles.

So I don't doubt this could very well be the case. And someone like baker would want to cast it AS IS and only do what was necessary to do the casting (like fill in the chin vent). Why would he want to change anything for his mold? I'm pretty sure he would have done a 2nd mold if it was requested to be cleaned up.

Can't wait to see the final product.
 
Zombie Killer said:
Lambo, are you saying that VP picture you just posted came from the UK molds? Why doesn't it have the c scar?
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Hi Zombie Killer,

Please read post 2146 it should hopefully answer your question :)

When the copies of the VP mask were made it was a conscious decision to let anyone who got one show it off and post pictures of it and do with it what they wanted. We took it for granted at the time that anyone who got one followed the unwritten rules of the road and wouldn't recast it. Seven copies were made before the mould was damaged and that was the end of that :)

You mentioned in another post that the Baker mould has the tab screw holes that is correct. What is different on the UK mould is the 3 tabs are in the cast the screw holes from the other two missing tabs are present. It is mentioned briefly post 2155.

Gino has stated there are various different helmets that derive from the UK mould in the hands of fans. Each one of these helmets differ from each other. The reason being is that any prop maker worth their salt would look at a raw cast and reach for their sandpaper also there are areas on the mask vulnerable to damage - the tusks seem to take a beating.

Gino has highlighted that fan made helmets all have flaws and he is absolutely correct. It has been discussed to death the merits of helmets and also flaws in them.

I believe that information on all the fan casts can be found either here on The RPF or over at The Prop Den. Unfortunately due to the madness that is Vader most vendors have kept information private or concealed details.

It might take a bit of hunting but there is some great info out there free to all who want it regardless of the people who want to keep Vader info secret.

Cheers Chris
 
Juansith said:
Thanks to the clarification.
I really admire that you are open to communicate with us and that you reclute people from the forums that you know are capable to deliver.

I cant speak for everyone, but i hope you dont take other peoples bashing seriously at the point where you decide to put future projects on a crystal bubble, away from the community opinions and interests.

Part of whats exciting about this EFX Vader project is that we have been very close and have learned really good stuff.

Please dont break the link with us just because some people have an agenda.
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I know a lot of people are seeing this thread as yet another huge bashing thread that colors the RPF in a negativelight, but the truth is, when you put this thread into proper perspective, you have a very vocal minority who consist of only about 5 people, all of who have an unbelievably nasty history with Gino and all of who have a position to protect within the Vader community. When you filter those very loud voices out, what you are left with are a much greater number of people who are praising eFX's approach to this project as well as their open and frank responses to very pointed questions even after they sold out of product! While the RPF is never going to simply eat up every collectible a licensee throws out and we are going to be more critical of the product (as opposed to over analyzing the box art and styrofoam packing, as some collectible sites do), the reception of this offering from eFX has been more positive than anything I have seen in years. Bryan is no fool and I am sure he sees the negativity for what it is and also sees past it to the overwhelmingly positive acceptance by the majority of the membership. If nothing else, I would refer you back to the fact that the Legend sold out in 4 minutes and the Limited in just a couple of days. This project was a big win for eFX all the way around and I can't imagine them abandoning that successful model.
 
I guess i am confusing cleaning up and unscrewing some tabs. When someone says the helmet was cleaned up i assumed more than unscrewing some mounts. I am not sure what that proves then. They could be put on and taken off at any point and mutiple times. For instance the Baker mold could have been made and then the tabs be put back on. Not saying this happened but tabs being there or not at the time of molding means what?
 
Art Andrews said:
I know a lot of people are seeing this thread as yet another huge bashing thread that colors the RPF in a negativelight, but the truth is, when you put this thread into proper perspective, you have a very vocal minority who consist of only about 5 people, all of who have an unbelievably nasty history with Gino and all of who have a position to protect within the Vader community. When you filter those very loud voices out, what you are left with are a much greater number of people who are praising eFX's approach to this project as well as their open and frank responses to very pointed questions even after they sold out of product! While the RPF is never going to simply eat up every collectible a licensee throws out and we are going to be more critical of the product (as opposed to over analyzing the box art and styrofoam packing, as some collectible sites do), the reception of this offering from eFX has been more positive than anything I have seen in years. Bryan is no fool and I am sure he sees the negativity for what it is and also sees past it to the overwhelmingly positive acceptance by the majority of the membership. If nothing else, I would refer you back to the fact that the Legend sold out in 4 minutes and the Limited in just a couple of days. This project was a big win for eFX all the way around and I can't imagine them abandoning that successful model.
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The only thing Bryan is doing right now is deciding what helmet comes next and maybe he should have bumped up the edition number for Vader.

It's a great helmet and EFX is a great company.
 
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