eFX A New Hope Darth Vader Helmet
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OK, it is time for me to chime in here, because this is getting really nasty and very personal and thus going no where FAST! I think with all of the facts, assumptions, guesses, hearsay, BS, etc. through all of these pages, everyone now has enough information to decide for themselves in regards to the "C" scratch, paint chip, dog hair, whatever. We all agree that it was there in parts of the film. PERIOD!
As for our helmet, we stated that it was cast from the Rick Baker molds. We did not say "from the Rick Baker mold WITH OR WITHOUT the scratch!" Scratch or no scratch, never there, used to be there, cleaned off, whatever, the fact is still that we cast our helmet from Rick Baker's molds he made back in the 70's AS IS!
I am not saying that I know if it was actually dimensional or painted. Regardless, it will be there as a painted feature. If you purchased one and don't agree, you can have a talented model maker do that for you, if that will make you feel better every time you look at it! (It is easier to put in a scratch then remove it!)
As for eFX and even back to Master Replicas, I think I have done a pretty good job of tapping into the knowledge base of the forums. Remember, I recruited Frank, Moe and Dean for the Falcon, Steve for the TIE and Y Wing, etc. I think that is a pretty good track record! In this case, I chose Gino for this project and I am sure that most would agree, it was a good decision and I am very proud what he has done. No matter who I chose, there would have been dissidents.
So, I respect each opinion, since that is exactly what it is. I made what I feel was the best choice for this project. And if the only issue with the helmet is about is a small scratch, I think Gino did a pretty damn good job!
Thanks all!
As for our helmet, we stated that it was cast from the Rick Baker molds. We did not say "from the Rick Baker mold WITH OR WITHOUT the scratch!" Scratch or no scratch, never there, used to be there, cleaned off, whatever, the fact is still that we cast our helmet from Rick Baker's molds he made back in the 70's AS IS!
I am not saying that I know if it was actually dimensional or painted. Regardless, it will be there as a painted feature. If you purchased one and don't agree, you can have a talented model maker do that for you, if that will make you feel better every time you look at it! (It is easier to put in a scratch then remove it!)
As for eFX and even back to Master Replicas, I think I have done a pretty good job of tapping into the knowledge base of the forums. Remember, I recruited Frank, Moe and Dean for the Falcon, Steve for the TIE and Y Wing, etc. I think that is a pretty good track record! In this case, I chose Gino for this project and I am sure that most would agree, it was a good decision and I am very proud what he has done. No matter who I chose, there would have been dissidents.
So, I respect each opinion, since that is exactly what it is. I made what I feel was the best choice for this project. And if the only issue with the helmet is about is a small scratch, I think Gino did a pretty damn good job!
Thanks all!
StarWars Collector
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That's all I wanted to hear. Thanks for chiming in, Bryan. :thumbsup
Juansith
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Thanks to the clarification.
I really admire that you are open to communicate with us and that you reclute people from the forums that you know are capable to deliver.
I cant speak for everyone, but i hope you dont take other peoples bashing seriously at the point where you decide to put future projects on a crystal bubble, away from the community opinions and interests.
Part of whats exciting about this EFX Vader project is that we have been very close and have learned really good stuff.
Please dont break the link with us just because some people have an agenda.
Again thanks.
Juan.
Well, sure do appreciate all of the hard work and research that went into this helmet. My opinion of the eFX lid has not changed whatsoever. I just find it sill that there is this argument being waged by members, none of which were present when ANY of the catsings were made. The only people who know if something was or wasn't there or if any repair work was done would be the ones who cast it up originally.
I personally don;t care to choose sides as it's still all heresay anyway. And none of this info makes me like the helmet any less.
I'm much more interested in seeing the FINAL production helmet and how it turns out than read any more arguments over detail theories.
I personally don;t care to choose sides as it's still all heresay anyway. And none of this info makes me like the helmet any less.
I'm much more interested in seeing the FINAL production helmet and how it turns out than read any more arguments over detail theories.
You are clearly baiting me. Didn't you get banned for baiting people just a few months ago?:lol
You feel threatened.
I understand. You have an emotional investment and probably even some sort of financial attachment to the eFX offering, so clearly you want to paint it as the best of the best of the best. You know what? You can have all the adulation you want. You need it to survive.
gino has a small history with me, so I can see where he feels the need to try and discredit me. I was pissed at first about the comment and asked Art to address it, but now I can see why he would say what he said. He can't get over the fact that he was proven wrong. I know it eats at him. It's funny actually, but you see the defensive walls coming up.
I ask you guys this. Is it so hard to believe that the numerous molds that were pulled off the original are a bit different from each other? That some will have more details than others? Out of all the molds that are in existence around the world, the ONLY one that will have the proper details is the RB mold? Really? Why should gino or anyone else feel threatened by there being more than one mold with more or less details than the RB mold?
Here's something to ponder and it really drives my point home:
Here is a pic of the VP next to gino's vader display helmet at the time. Now let me remind everyone that gino boasted that this casting was a "One off and from an original untainted mold."
Notice the highlighted areas? I believe that is a paint buildup in the cheekline. Some call it a worm. Here's a pic of the original with that same worm:
Now that worm appears on the screenused ESB Hero and Stunt faceplates. BUT, that worm IS NOT IN THE BAKER MOLD. why is that? How can the screenused ESB hero and STUNT faceplates, which are KNOWN to be cast off the original ANH faceplate have that worm (UK MOLD), but the (US mold) RB doesn't. First, it's because of what I and several others have been trying to let you guys understand, that there are several molds taken off the original with different details. Some more than others. Second because those molds were taken at different timelines of the original ANH faceplate. Is that really so hard to understand and believe?
@Bryan. Thanks for coming in with your comments. I don't think anyone has questioned your integrity with these offereings. By your own admission, you don't know why certain details aren't in the mold, you only know what you were given access to. I agree the RB mold is lacking details. It's one of many molds in existence that were taken off the original ANH faceplate and they are different from each other. I hope that you are able to offer up ESB helmets at one point and gain access to one of the UK molds. I think then you will understand what it is that some of us have been saying.
GINO
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The fact that there was a UK mold and the US based baker mold was never a point of contention.
The fact that there are subtle differences in details between the two molds was never a point of contention.
What I am saying, is that castings coming from either of those two molds do not have a dimensional c-scar.
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The fact that there are subtle differences in details between the two molds was never a point of contention.
What I am saying, is that castings coming from either of those two molds do not have a dimensional c-scar.
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And I'm saying you are wrong with regard to the C scar. You don't own or have ever seen one of those UK castings up close, other than the VP you owned, but that has been documented that is was cleaned up. When and if Bryan ever gets a hold of a UK mold and you get to actually see one in all it's glory, your story will change and you will realize you were wrong from the get go. Until then, there's no point in discussing it with you any further.
Lambo, are you saying that VP picture you just posted came from the UK molds? Why doesn't it have the c scar?
KaanE
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Please, stop. No one is gonna change the others mind when it relates to a Vader helmet. Proofs have been shown, if you want, accept it, if you don't, then don't. eFX is going to offer an extremely accurate helmet, with a C-Scar painted. If you like it and have bought it, congrats, if not, your choice.
End of the offtopic about what is more accurate and what is not in a Vader helmet, this is about the eFX helmet not the others like Gino, GH, SL, etc.
Let me check about eFX helmet. Has been proven where it comes from? YES. Has been shown what the prototypes look? YES. Has been proven or shown how much clean up they have? YES.
If you want to discuss about what was in the real helmet, open a new thread, because we all know what is not in the eFX, and that's what this thread is about, the eFX helmet.
Also, I know I'm not a moderator, so take it as you wish, but that's what I think most people think right now after proofs had been shown.
End of the offtopic about what is more accurate and what is not in a Vader helmet, this is about the eFX helmet not the others like Gino, GH, SL, etc.
Let me check about eFX helmet. Has been proven where it comes from? YES. Has been shown what the prototypes look? YES. Has been proven or shown how much clean up they have? YES.
If you want to discuss about what was in the real helmet, open a new thread, because we all know what is not in the eFX, and that's what this thread is about, the eFX helmet.
Also, I know I'm not a moderator, so take it as you wish, but that's what I think most people think right now after proofs had been shown.
Too Much Garlic
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QFT! :thumbsup
GINO
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I have seen them all and have great photos of them all (some of which were already posted).
The SL (which comes from the baker mold).
The TD, TM, and VP. (which are derivatives from the UK mold).
There is no dimensional c-scar in any of the original castings of these helmets. Only in the subsequent castings because they were added in.
Lets just cut right to it.
The reason this is such a sticking point with the SL and TM people is because they feel that this feature would be something that elevates their helmets above the eFX offering.
That's why they defend it with such aggression. And because they have already added into their castings.
It is also why they are so resistant to accepting that it is not there on the original screen used helmet, or on castings from either of the two known molds taken from it (the UK mold and Baker mold).
That and because their dislike of me.
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The SL (which comes from the baker mold).
The TD, TM, and VP. (which are derivatives from the UK mold).
There is no dimensional c-scar in any of the original castings of these helmets. Only in the subsequent castings because they were added in.
Lets just cut right to it.
The reason this is such a sticking point with the SL and TM people is because they feel that this feature would be something that elevates their helmets above the eFX offering.
That's why they defend it with such aggression. And because they have already added into their castings.
It is also why they are so resistant to accepting that it is not there on the original screen used helmet, or on castings from either of the two known molds taken from it (the UK mold and Baker mold).
That and because their dislike of me.
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defstartrooper
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I love the way you state things as fact when you have no real evidence of such.
You say it's obvious the mask wasn't cleaned up for the Baker mould because other blemished are intact, so therefore in your mind because it's obvious it's fact.
Well it's not obvious or fact is it, the cheek scar is a fairly large artifact it's plausible this was cleaned up while smaller divots or bumps which were left as is because further pulls could be cleaned up easily of these small artifacts with a bit of light sanding or whatever.
It's certainly obvious and a fact that some work was done on the mask before the Baker mould was taken because the tabs were removed for one thing.
Not saying this is the case but it's a possibility.
Then you go on to say the UK mould doesn't have a C-scar because the original helmet doesn't have a C-scar again like this is fact.
You've never seen either the UK mould or original helmet but in the magical world of Gino they don't have that scar for a fact.
What is this fact based on exactly ?
defstartrooper
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Total rubbish the fanmade offerings are already a step up from the eFX anyway regardless of the c scar because both eFX offerings have been cleaned up to a degree where the original fan held casts are straight raw casts from the respective moulds.
GINO
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Same can be said about the TM and SL.
Both have completely broken off tusk tubes.
The TM has had it's entire surface sanded on (see pic I posted earlier in this thread).
The SL suffers from excessive dome and neck flaring.
In my opinion, the eFX offering while not having every minor nick or air bubble, still has a good deal of those anomalies and has the correct shape to boot.
I'd prefer that to any of the alternatives.
And I'm sure on that, we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Both have completely broken off tusk tubes.
The TM has had it's entire surface sanded on (see pic I posted earlier in this thread).
The SL suffers from excessive dome and neck flaring.
In my opinion, the eFX offering while not having every minor nick or air bubble, still has a good deal of those anomalies and has the correct shape to boot.
I'd prefer that to any of the alternatives.
And I'm sure on that, we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Oh dear God in heaven...
Some of you people are hopeless. Seriously. How do you go through life with sticks so far up your bums everyday? It's as fascinating as it is annoying.
I thought Gino posted pics of the Baker mold with all the tab holes still there.
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